Xenon, HID Questions

[abudobi]

What is the difference between Xenon Headlights, HID headlights, and Projector Headlights? Do you think it would be possible to do a headlight conversion on a 1991 Eagle Talon so that the factory flip up lights stay down and Xenon, HID, or projector lights are installed in the thin clear plastic cover in front??

 

[Defiant]

Xenon are shit.

HID -High-Intensity-Discharge work like fluorescent bulbs instead of like bulbs with filaments.

Projector lights are a matter of the housing and how the light's sent out of the reflector: Old sealed-beams had a smooth reflector which counted on the fluting of the lens to disperse and aim light, modern headlights have moved the fluting to the reflector, and projectors use an optical lens to magnify (project) the light aimed inside the reflector.

Do you think it would be possible to do a headlight conversion on a 1991 Eagle Talon so that the factory flip up lights stay down and Xenon, HID, or projector lights are installed in the thin clear plastic cover in front??

No and yes.

It'd be a nasty bi*** to design and make usable, but with enough money it'd be possible. Your better bet is to get a set of these:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33709&item=2458413951

Ignore that they're for a Celica, they're just sealed-beam replacements but a lot cheaper than Hellas (which are about the best now available). Arm them with Silvania SilverStar bulbs.

Oh, and did I mention that Xenons are SHIT?

 

[TurBoGs-T]

I was looking for some on ebay but they all say HID and Xenon in the title how do you determine if they are true HID and not crap???

 

[abudobi]

Those Silvania SilverStar lights come in the sealed inclosures now i think the number is like H666 something . . . Thats what I have now, they are pretty good.

HID are the ones that are gas that is ignited and blah blah blah. Look really good/bright as hell, right?

 

[herovueboi]

H4666, i just saved time and hit up my local Advanced Auto Parts and bought some H4666 Silver Star headlights for my 91 pop-ups, though $20 for one is kind of expensive, but I love them!

 

[abudobi]

Thats what I did too but since I bought a pair of them I got $10 off. I love Advanced Auto.

 

[KFT0001]

Originally posted by TurBoGs-T
I was looking for some on ebay but they all say HID and Xenon in the title how do you determine if they are true HID and not crap???

If the auction is for only a pair of bulbs then they are not HID's. Also you can tell because HID lights cost a lot more (hundreds of dollars) than Xenon bulbs. Anyway, HID's will come with a ballast and an ignitor - separate boxes. One last thing - real HID bulbs don't look like regular halogen bulbs. So if the bulb they have pictured looks like yours, then it's just a regular halogen.

 

[Defiant]

Originally posted by herovueboi
H4666, i just saved time and hit up my local Advanced Auto Parts and bought some H4666 Silver Star headlights for my 91 pop-ups, though $20 for one is kind of expensive, but I love them!

That's less than a pair of 9005s- and you need two pair if you're cheating on a 2G.

 

[Groomz]

I really like how defiant showed how Xenon lighting is inferior. Really good points and it stayed on topic. Nice work.

http://www.i-m-racing.com/new80hidligc.html

Xenons are shit?

:laugh:

 

[Defiant]

Those are HIDs.

These are "Xenon", and they're shit:

 

[DSMJim]

Correct me if I am wrong, but Xenon gas is what is inside of the bulb on an HID light.

Those cheap-o lights are called Xenon because they do use xenon gas inside the bulb but they are still a halogen based lighting system.

HID or High Intensidy Discharge is the act of lighting or arcing the gas inside a HID bulb (Xenon gas) which emits a lot more light, using less power and has a much more natural color. They pull 30ams to ignite but run at 2amps afterwards.

A real HID light uses a ballast and ignitor, usually all put together into one unit, sometimes seperated, depends on who makes it. They are generally $300+ for real HID vs $4.99 from ebay.

Standard halogen bulbs are 1300K or Kalvin (a scale used to measure the color of light) Real HID lights are 4300k and that is what comes in all cars that are factory equiped with HID lights. Every car out there that is factory is 4300k. THere has never been a car produced with anything other than 4300k, got it?

OK now that we know 4300k is what ALL factory equiped cars use then why do they look different? It's all in the shape of the housing used on the car. If they use a projector lense with HID then it's different then a standard HID lense. HID is not used in Halogen lenses because they are made too wide for the amount of light an HID bulb puts out.

6000k and up bulbs are made to look more like factory equiped HID lights not because they are better or whatever. A 6000k bulb acctually emits less light than 4300k and is much more blue looking. This is only so when you put aftermarket HID 6000k lights into a halogen housing they look sort of like HID lights in that bimmer you just saw. IMO 6000k lights are inferior to 4300k look worse and are generally cheap knock offs of what real factory HID lights really are. I have had both and have had HID lights in my cars for 4 years now all reto-fitted so I have some knowledge in this area.

Here is the truth, 6000k from far away look just like fake xenon blue bulbs. I have measured my car with REAL Audi A6 HID lights against another Talon with 6000k and his lights looked really fake and stupid looking against mine. He was acctually really dissappointed that his looked that way.

Anyways see the pics below for more...

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These are from an Audi A6, are 4300k like ALL factory HID lights. Everything is made by Hella for Audi/Porsche the bulbs from Xenarc. The dot in the center is where the gas is ignited from that produces the light..

My talon with 4300k *REAL* Hid lights. (old ass pic..)

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My GTi with the same 4300k *REAL* Hid lights.

Capturing the color of HID is very hard with a camera...

 

[91eagle_tsi_awd]

i know this is an old thread but it is possible to put hid on a 91,im planning on doing it sometimes within the next months and ill def post pics .u have to buy the headlight piece from ebay.where u can change the bulbs and not the whole head lamp.and then u can buy any hid's and adapt it .im def. doing it to my car

 

[kpt4321]

Jim, where are you sourcing the parts to install the HID's in your car?

 

[snwbrdng5]

I want to replace the headlights on my 91 Talon with the Sylvania SilverStar lights, but I'm slightly confused on the part number. Before I go disassembling the light and hunting for the part number, can someone explain to me why when I go to Sylvania's web site and use the Lamp Replacment Guide I get H4666 for the 91 Eclipse & 91 Laser, but for a 91 Talon I get H6054?

Here are the search results so none of you have to waste time searching:

1991 Eagle Talon

1991 Plymouth Laser

1991 Mitsubishi Eclipse

Thanks

 

[herovueboi]

I don't know what the problem is but my 91 Talon's silver stars headlights where H4666's.

 

[abudobi]

Just use the H4666's and you'll be fine

 

[snwbrdng5]

OK, Thanks.

 

[snwbrdng5]

I got them and they are much more clear. Thanks.

 

[4geze63]

I have xenon lights on my car, looks just like a beamer.

 

[UW95GST]

Originally posted by 4geze63
I have xenon lights on my car, looks just like a beamer.

projectors?

 

[4geze63]

actually come to think of it i dont know what I have, they came with the car, Instead of a sealed beam they have the conversion to allow the bulb to be put in and out, seperating the bulb from the housing.

what would that be?, like I said my lights produce the whitish blue, exactly like a beamer and jag..

 

[herovueboi]

i wonder if someone could have put a new harness over it so it takes H4's instead of H4666's. if you look on the H4666 headlights, the housings for the fuses are in different places. i am sure you could swap it out and put if in with a different housing. though i am really unaware that if you could put H4666's bulbs in without a housing

 

[UW95GST]

Originally posted by 4geze63
actually come to think of it i dont know what I have, they came with the car, Instead of a sealed beam they have the conversion to allow the bulb to be put in and out, seperating the bulb from the housing.

what would that be?, like I said my lights produce the whitish blue, exactly like a beamer and jag..

couldj ust be a retrofit too ;p

 

[91eagle_tsi_awd]

they sell conversions kits to use to h4 bulbs for 90 eclipses i seen it in autozone

 

[UW95GST]

Originally posted by 91eagle_tsi_awd
they sell conversions kits to use to h4 bulbs for 90 eclipses i seen it in autozone

what purpose would putting h4 bulbs in a 90 eclipse? none other than to blind oncoming traffic. this is one of the major reasons hid kits were BANNED, because people don't have any idea WTF they are doing.