Would you run this turbo?

[darknezz7]

This will probably get deleted quick but oh well, not sure where to put it that people will see. Maybe this will save someone else from getting screwed.

First our brand new crapbay turbo had a cracked CHRA, getting refunded but what a hassle, never again crapbay!

So a member here has this posted in for sale:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/mitsubishi-evo-3-16g-like-new.495921/

"like new real Mitsubishi evo 3 16g with low miles under 4500 miles never boosted over 12psi. No shaft play, no broken or striped bolts, no oil or coolant lines. Comes with wast gate turbo is ready to bolt on and go. Reason for selling is because i am parting out the car."

Sounds great, I offered him $300 and he accepted.

What I got in the mail was a small ripped up package with pieces of the turbo hanging out, no packaging at all.
What was in the package was a dirty old rusty worn out turbo with a lot of shaft play.

The wastegate flapper has been poorly welded on and sticks open, the actuator was not even big enough hole to go onto the flapper linkage. I drilled out the hole and put some washers between the turbo and actuator so that the flapper didn't open to far and stick open... Think that will be ok?

I checked the numbers (should have first from the picture in ad) what I got is a real evo 3 big turbo, what he had pictured however is a small 16g, I would have stayed away at that point if I did that first. Not only that he mentions he is parting the car, but in text he said he upgraded his car.

And finally his paypal is "auto recyclers". I believe he is advertising good turbos then selling junk from the wrecking yard.

Anyway we our tied up $600 now in crap turbos and really want to drive the car. Thinking keep the boost at 14 and dont go over 5000 rpm and this turbo will last a few months hopefully....

What do you guys think? I see the evo 3's going for 450 used, so 300 still might not be too bad, but its the fact that it is worn out and he said it was like new.


pics of said "like new" turbo... This was AFTER we cleaned it, was covered in oil and rust...

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Thinking run it for awhile, then upgrade to a hx35 and sell this thing to someone else, but I will be honest.

 

[JusMX141]

That's a knockoff CHRA and turbine housing with a MHI cover. File a Paypal claim immediately.

 

[darknezz7]

are you fing kidding me omfg im pissed now then.

why did you remove the not getting screwed part?! other people need to know not to buy from this scammer!

 

[tylersevo]

It's best to leave feedback on his profile instead of making a post defaming him. Makes sense you're upset but the high road is always best.

 

[darknezz7]

I already left him neg feedback but I doubt he cares about his rep anymore if he does this i the first place.

He said it would be cheaper if I sent payment as a gift, I know better but still did it for some reason... So I am now screwed with this junk.

jusmx how much would it be for you to rebuild it?

 

[Nate355RS]

I haven't had any experience but I've *heard* it's easier to get your money back if you've sent it as a gift. PayPal sent out a message awhile back to never accept a payment as a gift as a seller. But either way it's never too early to open up a claim with Paypal for things like this.

 

[JusMX141]

why did you remove the not getting screwed part?! other people need to know not to buy from this scammer!

Because you apparently didn't read the rules. This site- it's staff, it's content, etc....has nothing to do with individual interactions between members. The tech forums aren't a place for you to air out your dirty laundry about a transaction gone wrong.

Edit your post again and I'll delete the entire thread....last warning.

jusmx how much would it be for you to rebuild it?

You can buy a new Chinese 16G with all the install parts for the same money it would cost to rebuild that one. There's nothing I can do now....you should've come to me to begin with.

 

[darknezz7]

I didnt have a turbo to rebuild to come to you with. You have real rebuilt evo 3 16g's around for $300? probably not.

idk wtf to do now I guess run this turbo for awhile and hope it doesn't blow up...

 

[awesome]

I was looking at that turbo and it looked to good to be true. As for turbos Justin is the guy to go to. His prices are good and he always responds to questions

 

[tylersevo]

I was looking at that turbo and it looked to good to be true.

I hate to say it darknezz but typically deals like that are too good to be true. Unfortunately it's easy for people to scam others using knockoff chinese junk. Best thing to do is trash the turbo and wipe your hands with the whole situation. No sense in running a turbo that is almost guaranteed to blow up.

 

[darknezz7]

I didn't think $300 for a used 16g was "too great of a deal" thought it was about right.

You guys think it will blow up even if lightly boosted 12-14 and not revved over 5k? I already bolted it on the car. The owner is running out of patience wanting to drive it...

We can replace it in a few months, out of funds right now... Still waiting for $260 to be refunded from the first junk turbo that had a cracked chra

 

[Jiggalude]

In my personal opinion this guy already ripped you off, why would you trust that the turbo would even last 5 minutes?

 

[tylersevo]

The fact that this thread is still going on makes me I hope the owner at least has enough common sense to put the car on hold until a replacement can be found.

 

[darknezz7]

I dont find it very

This was the replacement, there is nothing left.

The shaft play is as bad at the stock t25 we were running and that was still going...

 

[911gdsmboostin]

I dont find it very

This was the replacement, there is nothing left.

The shaft play is as bad at the stock t25 we were running and that was still going...

If that's the case, and the shaft play is some or the reason all together your replacing it you answered you own question.. if it's as bad as the old turbo I'd be more willing to use the t25.you mess around too much you will hurt that motor to some degree. Plus if he's a customer he's gonna remember it blowing up better then how long he had to wait for it to be right and work well

 

[darknezz7]

Well hes a friend.

And he already blew it up once by hitting something to crack the oil pres sender and kept driving it even though red light flashing at him... That totally took out the t25 as in the blades hit the sides.

This 16g is like the t25 when we first put it on and it drove fine for 3 thousand miles.
There is no in and out but I feel a decent amount of side to side, blades not hitting though...

If you mean needing tuning, it has 850cc's, ecu+, gm maf, wb255 rewired, adj fpr, ect...

 

[JusMX141]

I didnt have a turbo to rebuild to come to you with. You have real rebuilt evo 3 16g's around for $300? probably not.

That's being a bit unrealistic...why would my pricing for a new or freshly-rebuilt MHI turbo be lower than what most people are charging for used garbage? Actually, if people are truly getting $450 for used Evo III's as you stated in your first post, then I need to raise my prices.

If your budget isn't high enough to buy a quality piece, then you end up losing 9 times out of 10. Occasionally you hear about these deals where guys pick up perfect working 16G's for $60, but I've yet to see one recently that was worthy of use for four times that much.

I had a guy send me pictures of this "custom" 16G that one of those Facebook builders made for him earlier this week...needless to say he ended up getting a refund and sending it back once I pointed out the 14B 6cm2 turbine housing that was shittily-ported with spider web cracks all through it. Scary part was he paid almost as much as I charge for a 100% new turbo- not a worked-over 25-year-old 14B.

Be an educated buyer and don't believe everything that everyone tells you unless they can prove it.

 

[tylersevo]

I dont find it very This was the replacement, there is nothing left. The shaft play is as bad at the stock t25 we were running and that was still going...

Again I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp...not trying to be a jerk but if you're willing to risk a "friend's" motor with a piece of Chinese crap, then by all means bolt it up and run 20psi. If you want to do it right take your time and get a turbo from a reputable person.

 

[2gGst98]

+1 on waiting for the right thing and not taking a chance. But it's not your car and it's ya'll choice.

My build has been taking me way too long, but I refuse to buy any parts that I have any doubt. My car sat for months while I was looking for actual non crapbay(Chinese) parts.

PS - JusMX I will be PMing you in a few months to do my MHI big 16g when my funds get correct as I just moved.

 

[oneslowwdsm]

That sucks hardcore man and I know how you feel. I got screwed over out of a 20g from a so called reputable rebuilder on this very site. Needless to say, he's no longer around. Maybe he'll come to his senses and give you your money back.

 

[darknezz7]

Well dugan33 refunded $150 of the $300... I'll take the junk turbo and try to sell on clist for $150 to recover rest.

Got the $467 refunded from paypal for cracked ebay 20g/headers/o2 housing combo. Now found out the headers leak surprise so going to port the stock manifold. When you consider $50 to have the header and 02 housing surfaced, $20 for fitting hardware and $30 to ship the turbo back, still a loss but a lesson learned.

Just ordered a MHI 20G from Justin for $600.

Should be NO MORE turbo issues now.


I did start the car a bit with the junk turbo but it hasn't been driven.