Wheels that clear EVO calipers

[jerzeeog]

Thanks for clearing it up guys

 

[FirstCarIsA GSX]

Does anyone knowwhat the clearence is on stock 17" 2g gsx wheels? I assume they will not clear it but what size spacer would be necessary?

 

[linen88]

Does anyone knowwhat the clearence is on stock 17" 2g gsx wheels? I assume they will not clear it but what size spacer would be necessary?

Im wondering the same also just bought a bnib set of gsx wheels and was debating on the brembo swap still

 

[FirstCarIsA GSX]

Im wondering the same also just bought a bnib set of gsx wheels and was debating on the brembo swap still

i've heard mixed statements about it, some say you need to grind the caliper a bit and others say you need something like a 15mm spacer so im not really sure.

 

[snowborder714]

Do you already have the Evo calipers on the car (or can temporarily mount it)? If so, just put the GSX wheel on with a stack of washers on 2-3 studs and measure how much spacer you'd need. GSX wheels have a +46 offset, so you'd at least need 8mm just to get the offset down to the +38 like a factory Evo wheel. However, the spoke design probably isn't right and you'll need more to get them to clear. Somewhere between 10-15mm sounds like it'd work though.

Also, I deleted your other thread since it'd end up being merged in here and you already posted the same question.

 

[finesse49ers]

i've heard mixed statements about it, some say you need to grind the caliper a bit and others say you need something like a 15mm spacer so im not really sure.

I was just going to respond to your thread snowboarder714 deleted. They won't clear the front calipers, not even close. And the idea of grinding break calipers is stupid to put it lightly. GSX wheels are 17x6.5 with an offset of +46 while the EVO VIII wheel is 17x8 +38 so to equal an EVO VIII wheel you'll need at minimum a 48mm spacer on the fronts which is even more stupid than grinding calipers.

Get some EVO VIII or IX wheels and call it a day.

 

[snowborder714]

GSX wheels are 17x6.5 with an offset of +46 while the EVO VIII wheel is 17x8 +38 so to equal an EVO VIII wheel you'll need at minimum a 48mm spacer on the fronts which is even more stupid than grinding calipers.

Wait...what? How do you get needing a 48mm spacer?

 

[finesse49ers]

Wait...what? How do you get needing a 48mm spacer?

my mistake. I used the wrong analogy to try to get my point across of essentially trying to make a 2G GSX wheel match a EVO VIII or IX wheel as far as wheel width is concerned.

 

[FirstCarIsA GSX]

I have seen it done with 2g gsx wheels. a guy in my area actually had it on his dsm before he sold it. He did not remember the exactt fitment though of the spacer. I spent all of my money on the brembo so going to different wheels isn't going to work me now. Im curious where you came up with the 48mm spacer because thats almost 2 inches which i know is way to huge! would a 25mm spacer do the job do you think? (1 inch)

 

[snowborder714]

The mentioned 48mm spacer was a type. Just ignore that info from him.

I don't think you'd need a 25mm spacer. I think you could get it done with less. But someone needs to stack some washers (or spacers if they have them) and figure it out.

 

[finesse49ers]

I have seen it done with 2g gsx wheels. a guy in my area actually had it on his dsm before he sold it. He did not remember the exactt fitment though of the spacer. I spent all of my money on the brembo so going to different wheels isn't going to work me now. Im curious where you came up with the 48mm spacer because thats almost 2 inches which i know is way to huge! would a 25mm spacer do the job do you think? (1 inch)

Like snowborder714 said ignore that 48mm stuff. Evo VIII and IX wheels are 1.5" wider than 2G GSX wheels and how much that comes into play if at all I'm not sure about. I also doubt you'll need a 25mm spacer but likely something in the low teens.

If no one comes up with the actual size needed by days end then tomorrow like snowborder714 suggested I'll go out and test fit one of my GSX wheels and I have a pair of 6.35mm spacers to get this figured out.

 

[FirstCarIsA GSX]

There should be an easier way to calculate this out without resorting to washers. i found this link but not sure what to make of the results when putting in the comparison between the evo rims to the gsx rims (46mm minus the 25mm spacer). Tell me if you can make better sense of it or have a better way of calculating this out. Wheel Offset Calculator

 

[2gSpyder4g64]

Theres a guy that used adapters i think 8mm or 10 mm to get the gsx rims to work with the brembos, he has a cayene red, i'll try to find the pic.

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His user name is 13Guest13

 

[snowborder714]

That website won't help with brake caliper clearance. It just tells you that if you go from an OEM GSX wheel (+46 offset) to a stock Evo 8 wheel, for example (+38 offset) that the inner lip of the Evo wheel will be 6mm further inward toward the knuckle and that the outer lip will extend 20mm further than it did with the GSX wheel.

If you want to try to calculate, you just go offset to offset (46-38 = 8mm worth of spacer to push the GSX wheels to the same offset as the Evo wheels). But that might not work as the calipers are different shapes and the wheel spokes are different between the two wheels. The best way to do this is physically test the wheel with the caliper (or find someone else who's done it).

 

[finesse49ers]

OK forget about waiting until tomorrow. Pictures aren't the best but should help some:

These are two 6.35mm (let's say 6.5mm which = 13mm) spacers stacked and in the first picture the wheel spoke was touching the caliper while at the same time was sitting flush on the rear area of the spacer but couldn't sit flush on the area of the spacer closest to the caliper. From my naked eye it looks like you'll need another 4mm for these wheels to clear which totals 17mm. Then from my last picture you'll see I measured how much stud is left and obviously you'll have to get longer studs. You have to ask yourself are you comfortable driving with a spacer that big. People do it but I won't.

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[snowborder714]

Thanks for going and testing that out. Definitely looks like it's more work/money than worth it. That's just too much spacer for my liking, and a good bit more than I would've guessed. Add in the cost of longer studs and you might as well just buy proper fitting wheels in the first place.

 

[finesse49ers]

Thanks for going and testing that out. Definitely looks like it's more work/money than worth it. That's just too much spacer for my liking, and a good bit more than I would've guessed. Add in the cost of longer studs and you might as well just buy proper fitting wheels in the first place.

Exactly.

No problem as I was curious about this also. At least we all know now.

 

[FirstCarIsA GSX]

i know H&R and Ichiba make some nice 25mm adapters and i know a few people who actually run those spacers on their track cars without an issue so maybe that would be the route to go. its like $150-$180 which is way cheaper then new wheels. but you'd say forsure 25mm or 1" would be enough to clear the calipers?

 

[snowborder714]

From the pictures/info that was posted, ya, it sounds like 25mm would be plenty.

You also have to factor in some longer wheel studs. For example, ARP's are another $130+.


Just curious if you're too cheap/lazy to find something that fits or if you're just that in love with the stock GSX wheels.

 

[finesse49ers]

i know H&R and Ichiba make some nice 25mm adapters and i know a few people who actually run those spacers on their track cars without an issue so maybe that would be the route to go. its like $150-$180 which is way cheaper then new wheels. but you'd say forsure 25mm or 1" would be enough to clear the calipers?

Your car is a track car? Big difference in a track car than a street driven daily driver. 25mm is WAAAY more than enough, that's twice as much as what I have pictured above. Like I said earlier 17mm should clear the caliper. You ever took a look at how close the spokes on an EVO VIII or IX wheel are to the caliper? The spokes are damn near touching the caliper, so close it appears a nickel couldn't fit between the gap. So if that clearance is good for a stock EVO then you should be fine with a 17mm (or the closest thing available above 17mm).

From the pictures/info that was posted, ya, it sounds like 25mm would be plenty.

You also have to factor in some longer wheel studs. For example, ARP's are another $130+.


Just curious if you're too cheap/lazy to find something that fits or if you're just that in love with the stock GSX wheels.

I think it's the former as lots of people want these brakes then buy them only to find out that the stock wheels don't clear them (plus they find out they need to buy the correct rotors) and now they're stuck in a bind. Buy the wheels first then the Brembos but unfortunately most do it the opposite way.

 

[FirstCarIsA GSX]

From the pictures/info that was posted, ya, it sounds like 25mm would be plenty.

You also have to factor in some longer wheel studs. For example, ARP's are another $130+.


Just curious if you're too cheap/lazy to find something that fits or if you're just that in love with the stock GSX wheels.

Well with their adapter it has built in studs instead of just a regular spacer. I'm in no way lazy but i'm broke. Im a college student studying mechanical engineering so i can barely work any hours during the week and on the weekends im trying to finish up my hx40/stroker build i've been working on for the last 6 months. But i really do love these wheels, my car is compltely sleeper and i rearely see any 2g's with the stock gsx wheels anymore i only see the evo wheels. Evo wheels are pretty played out now, so staying stock now is doing something different. i was actually looking into ways of widening the stock gsx wheels to run fatter tires But no im not lazy just am very limited on funds and only happened to upgrade to brembos because my old rotors developed micro cracks and found a great deal on front and rear calipers and rotors with ss lines all for $450

And yah i know there is a big difference between daily driving and track cars but all the repeated stress they put on the spacers makes my dd'ing look like nothing. 20mm should be sufficient but might actuall just get some 25mm's to do the job just incase because i only have next weekend to put them on and i cant have fitment issues.

 

[snowborder714]

Can you please reference some of these racers that run that much spacer? What type of racing are they doing and how often are they replacing the spacers? And, if you know, why are they running that much spacer in the first place?


You looked into how to widen a wheel? I don't even know how to respond to that without being a smart ass, haha.

So because your rotors were bad you decided to spend more money and replace the calipers as well. Makes a lot of sense for a person on a budget who doesn't necessarily need the extra braking.

You don't have to get Evo wheels. Just find something with at least a +38 offset or lower and you'll be good.

 

[FirstCarIsA GSX]

Can you please reference some of these racers that run that much spacer? What type of racing are they doing and how often are they replacing the spacers? And, if you know, why are they running that much spacer in the first place?


You looked into how to widen a wheel? I don't even know how to respond to that without being a smart ass, haha.

So because your rotors were bad you decided to spend more money and replace the calipers as well. Makes a lot of sense for a person on a budget who doesn't necessarily need the extra braking.

You don't have to get Evo wheels. Just find something with at least a +38 offset or lower and you'll be good.

some of the local guys out her in southern california are running them. they are doing road course and the canyone scene out here. Not sure when they are replacing them to be honest but this is just my daily driver for the time being. the spacer are just on until i have some money down the road to get some nice wheels.

Yah i was curious and i looked into widening them thats why i put the laughing face because its rdiculous to do! haha

Well i was looking at spending like $50-100 per rotor to replace them all around and i found a brembo set for about the same price so thats why i did it. I wouldn't have done it if it wasnt such a good deal from a friend parting out his wrecked evo. Decent wheels are expensive so when i do switch wheels i'll save up and get something ill be keeping for a long time.

I do appreciate all the help and advice though guys it's helped a lot.

 

[miliman13]

Hello gents, i believe this issue goes well with this old thread. I upgraded to Brembo's and turns out i cant use my wheels

So i took some pics,

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The [ 40 ] stamped on this rim, could this mean the offset?

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uagmGqeomng]Wheel Spacers explained - from Driftworks - YouTube[/ame]

as you can see i cant clear the front Brembo's. ,i know there are many spacers, from the pics, can anyone help figure out how much ""space"" i will need? Can anyone recommend, a wheel centric spacer ?





My next question, is are there any members running these types of spacers ?
Any reviews from anyone?

[ame]http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CD9GTVK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A23ID4AZTDBV78[/ame]

And i have seen some members running XXR 527 wheels; anyone have the brembos with this wheel ?
[ame]http://www.amazon.com/XXR-18x8-75-Chromium-5-114-3-Wheels/dp/B00A447LI6/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1400253859&sr=1-1&keywords=xxr+527+18x8.75[/ame]
Im sure they will fit, just figured i ask.


I rather use spacers, but i am a Little concerned over loosing a wheel. And would consider new wheels, Thus " wheels that fit brembos"- Thanks guys.

XXR 527 17X8.25 +35 Will not fit. +8MM spacer, they will clear the caliper, but will poke out ~1"

on amazon. it states that the XXR 527 18x8.75 Chromium Black 5-100/5-114.3 +35mm Wheels, will clear EVO brakes.
but then again it says the same about the 17x8.25 and "glow" has alredy confirmed that it wont work.
im wondering if the .50 extra width is what clears the brembos vs the 17's

Well, if anyone ever finds this thread ill leave this info here,
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even the evo guys cant clear the brembos with a 35mm offset, they seem to be running 20mm offset.

 

[miliman13]

acccording to the vendor of these xxr's not even 33mm offset will clear, has to be 20mm.-