What to do with my stroker

[adollarwodbnice]

I have a 6 bolt 2.1 with 9:1 Wisecos, H beam rods, BC 272/272 cams and i'm putting ARP head studs on with a new cometic HG. I have Balancer shafts removed, AC removed, Power Steering removed, and Cruise control removed. Also have a full 3" exhaust with a megan high flow cat.

Basically I want the motor to be reliable enough to make up to 10 passes at a track a night and still drive me home and to the city 100 miles both ways fine. Also wanna be in the 12's... nothing crazy.. a 12.99 would be exactly where I want to be.

Anywho I just don't know anything about tuning or setting up a turbo setup...

As of right now I have a 20psi boost gauge... not planning to run more than that on this build (unless I need to), and a turbo timer.

I have a freshly rebuilt 14b and i've only been running it at 12psi until I blew the HG which is why i'm just gonna put a new setup on this car. I considered running the 14b to a high 12 but I figure it will be 10 times easier and more reliable with a better setup so here it goes.

I have a walbro 255, stock 450cc inj., car is a 90 GSX 5 speed, and Turbo XS MBC.

Basically what should I do... now my max I wanna get at the track is to be in 12 country nothing more... i'm thinking a 16g as they're really cheap and i've been told will be able to get me there the cheapest overall. I've been reading up on injectors and I guess a 16g maxes out at around 650cc... this is where I know nothing about turbo applications...

Where do I go from here... I know i'm going to need some kind of tuning stuff too like a SAFC or DSM link... can I use DSM link without an EPROM? Should I get an EPROM or does it not matter at all?

 

[420a-t]

You put a lot of money into that motor for just 12's.

16g can get you there no problems whatsoever.

 

[adollarwodbnice]

You put a lot of money into that motor for just 12's.

16g can get you there no problems whatsoever.

I didn't put the money into it... I did most the work but I got the car in a trade for my old street bike.

This is not really a life long goal just until I can afford to go big I guess .

This is your typical budget build but I wanna see 12's and be able to take this car all over the place... i'm making sure all maint. is properly done before I really rip on the car.

I'm not so confused about what turbo to use as the 16G sounds to be what I need I just know nothing about the best supporting mods to keep me from breaking things mainly my motor .

So basically where do I go from here.

 

[soccerplayaz16]

A 2.1 is made to spin hella RPMs right? thats a big turbo motor you built...i agree with the above post

 

[viperlp01]

I DD'ed my car on a maft, 16g, 680s, and a walbro and went 12s.. My car was pretty damn good for how much I drove it

 

[adollarwodbnice]

I DD'ed my car on a maft, 16g, 680s, and a walbro and went 12s.. My car was pretty damn good for how much I drove it

You used a 1g MAS or 2g? I am planning to go with a 2g MAS because my friend is giving me one for free... I had a 3" GM MAF and was thinking of going with a speed density setup but changed my mind because i'd like to keep it as basic as possible because I don't have enough experience with modding turbo cars let alone DSMs.

 

[adollarwodbnice]

Bump, just looking for a really solid bare bones setup to get me a fun street car until I can afford to go for broke. (This DSM is NOT my DD I just don't feel like beating the car up until I can afford to [one more year of college]) .

Considering getting an EPROM and having a chip made by KeyDiver... it seems this is a sure fire way to get where I want and do it right... anyone have experience with this route and am I still going to need something else besides proper injectors if I go this route?

 

[rx7ttlm]

Evo 3 16g, will likely be a turbo that will last you a while if you treat it nice, good power and more than most people need. good up to around 400 hp with e85 and happy engine stuff. I highly suggest getting DSM/ECM link, I run v3 and its awesome. You can get the lite version for around $345. Nothing compares to that in under 1000 bucks price range since it has data logging built in. I wish lite was around when I bought in . And that will also allow you to buy pretty large injectors also for the e85 rush .

BTW ecmlink makes stuff for non eprom ecu's to work with it properly. Not the cheapest route at about 150 bucks for the upgrade. Or they usually have a ecu sitting around that you may be able to buy that's had caps and whatnot replaced.

 

[FLASH1970]

Read the tech articles.

Tech Guide: 1G 4G63t Upgrades - DSMtuners

 

[Chaosweaver]

Seems like a good setup, you ever go to Atco? Since you're from Jersey once I tune my shit we could probably meet up and see where your car stands and all. You shouldn't have a problem running 12s, get a 16G, something to tune with (DSMlink if you really wanna go all out) and bigger injectors. A good tune and you're good to roll.

 

[adollarwodbnice]

Evo 3 16g, will likely be a turbo that will last you a while if you treat it nice, good power and more than most people need. good up to around 400 hp with e85 and happy engine stuff. I highly suggest getting DSM/ECM link, I run v3 and its awesome. You can get the lite version for around $345. Nothing compares to that in under 1000 bucks price range since it has data logging built in. I wish lite was around when I bought in . And that will also allow you to buy pretty large injectors also for the e85 rush .

BTW ecmlink makes stuff for non eprom ecu's to work with it properly. Not the cheapest route at about 150 bucks for the upgrade. Or they usually have a ecu sitting around that you may be able to buy that's had caps and whatnot replaced.

Cool, thanks for the advice... is it necessary to run a meth setup when running e85? ( I don't even know if you can get E85 anywhere around me) I was considering doing a meth setup somewhere down the road... not anytime soon but it'd be pretty cool. I think I may get an EPROM... there was one I was gonna buy and the guy disappeared so i'm still trying to see if he has it... was a REALLY good deal.

Seems like a good setup, you ever go to Atco? Since you're from Jersey once I tune my shit we could probably meet up and see where your car stands and all. You shouldn't have a problem running 12s, get a 16G, something to tune with (DSMlink if you really wanna go all out) and bigger injectors. A good tune and you're good to roll.

I've been to Atco a ton of times, I live like 20 minutes from it. This car has never been to it but likely will when it's all done and I think it will be reliable enough to make a couple passes. I don't really do 1/4 i'm an autocross/road course guy... I only really said I wanna pop into 12's because then it basically means I have a quick street car ... but yeah, i'm down for meeting up sometime this summer man. If you ever see a black 99 3000GT rolling around that's probably me.

 

[Chaosweaver]

Everyone I chill with always makes it down to the autocross events at Atco, I rarely ever go, not my thing, but I may try it out a bit more this year.

 

[Sp1kE]

if you want to just run a 12.9 make your car stock, with a boost controller and exhaust.

 

[adollarwodbnice]

if you want to just run a 12.9 make your car stock, with a boost controller and exhaust.

That is exactly what I have right now ... i'm running a 14b with an MBC and a full 3" with a 3" high flow cat... I really don't see myself getting 12's with that...

 

[Sp1kE]

That is exactly what I have right now ... i'm running a 14b with an MBC and a full 3" with a 3" high flow cat... I really don't see myself getting 12's with that...

I pulled a 13.3 with that. on 3 different tread tires.
i know 12.9 is almost half a second away from what I ran, but I don't see it being that hard with that motor he has in there.

 

[adollarwodbnice]

Well, I don't think i've mentioned it but i'm a 3000GT/Stealth guy at heart... I picked this DSM up more so as a DD/project so I didn't have to put so many miles on my 3000GT. Basically I don't know DSMs very well but I know a few people with them and from what i've seen they need a larger turbo and BPU mods to be quick. I keep saying 12.9 because I want to baby this car for a while... I don't really race much and I don't really need to but I wouldn't mind having something I know can hang in the 12's.