What makes a sleeper a "Sleeper"?

[JX6]

Hi. I am Justin and I am new to the DSM scene.I recently owned a 2001 Civic Ex coupe
and finally got tired of losing to everything with a motor in it. I plan on gettine a 95-99 GST. At first i wanted a 97-99 GST Because of the spoiler and the rimsand front bumper, but the more subtle styling of the 95 and 96 are growing on me but from what I have read the 95-96 are more likely to C.Walk.So I am about to ask for advice, what are some things I should look for or avoid in a turbo'd eclipse before I decide to buy?I plan on not doing much to the exterior.What could I do to try to hide the fact I have a GST?I planned on buying a RS sticker for the back but I don't know where to find them.Anyone know?

Thanks for the help in advance.

JX6

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[Defiant]

Clueless bystanders.

 

[afieclipse5124]

You don't know very much about dsms if you think an RS is slower than a 2001 civic.
RS: 140 Hp @6000 rpms 2.0 liter
Torque 133@4800


Civic:127 hp @6300 rpms 1.7 liter
Torque: 114@4800

 

[JX6]

You don't know very much about dsms if you think an RS is slower than a 2001 civic.
RS: 140 Hp @6000 rpms 2.0 liter
Torque 133@4800


Civic:127 hp @6300 rpms 1.7 liter
Torque: 114@4800

I would expect you to know better. Weight you fool! j/k
Ever heard of power to weight ratio?

Anyway. Atleast I am not one of the people who post up as soon as i get here that I want 400 hp a really loud bov and a upgraded turbo with no supporting mods.

 

[BlackbirdOfPrey]

Sleeper is the opposite of ricer

Ricer = car that looks fast but isn't
Sleeper = car that doesn't look fast, but is.

You want a sleeper? Let the paint deteriorate, put some dents in it, and do no external mods. Hide your guages, and use a stock looking exhaust that doesn't make much noise. Don't vent your BOV, and don't let them know whats up until after you've taken their money.

 

[slugsgomoo]

if you want a sleeper, might i suggest that you buy a galant VR-4 and just take off the badge? (or leave it on).

There are so few of them, even I'm suprised when i see one, and i look for them (because they're hawt, duh). The only way to know is if you see a badge, and you know what it means (though it's more obscure than any DSM trim badge), or if you know how the body cladding & bumpers look). I have only seen two in person, one really ratty one driving around seattle, and one really hot one down at pina motorsports (Andre, the owner of the shop owns it).

Seriously, if you want to be a sleeper in the DSM world, that's the way to go.

 

[its_hey_ma]

Whats better than a sleeper car? A poser car! Get a big wing, 5" exhaust tip, ground effects, stickers, and as many neon lights as you can stick to the car. Everyone will say, what a ricer and think they can take you. Then you show them what a modded gsx is all about and burn em!

 

[iceman1110]

Whats better than a sleeper car? A poser car! Get a big wing, 5" exhaust tip, ground effects, stickers, and as many neon lights as you can stick to the car. Everyone will say, what a ricer and think they can take you. Then you show them what a modded gsx is all about and burn em!

Sounds like a good idea to me

 

[DSM Demon]

^^^exactly what i was thinking...the sleeper thing is becoming so popular...time to switch the meaning of sleeper and go riced out...because most people sleep on ricers ^^^


^^^great minds think alike ^^^






- Pearce


Edit: Damn you for posting before me ^^^

 

[saw wave analog]

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this is a sleeper


i sold my 98 gsx and bought this 1985 omni. put about 100 hours of work into it so far


2.2, 47 trim garrett ported like a bastard, npr frontmount, ~2000lbs

everyone laughs at it until they go for a ride

 

[endlessMyk]

You want a sleeper? I'll sell you my g/f's 92 miarge and you can dump the 4g63 engine in it and that's asleeper. I think part of the reason it's hard to take you seriously is that in your original post you said you wanted the car because of the rims/spoiler/front bumper....
That isn't a good indication you want a sleeper.

If you want an eclipse/talon/laser sleeper, get a 1g. You'll get better performance out of it and they're quite ugly.. j/k I love mine and find it sex-ay!

 

[endlessMyk]

^^^exactly what i was thinking...the sleeper thing is becoming so popular...time to switch the meaning of sleeper and go riced out...because most people sleep on ricers ^^^


^^^great minds think alike ^^^






- Pearce


Edit: Damn you for posting before me ^^^

Damn you both... I'm gonna trhow the most obnoxious kit on, big wing, LAYERS of vinyl, 8inch exhaust.. but only after i hit 400whp HA HA HA :laugh:

 

[paranoidTSi]

Whats the point of being a sleeper..honestly? To race guys that don't think they would have a chance against a turbo car if you left your turbo identifications on?

Quite frankly a Eclipse/Talon/Laser is not a sleeper no matter what badging it has on it. To me a sleeper is a vehicle no one in a million years would think it is quick and the vehicle is quite rare and not well known to be fast or have the potential to be fast...an example? Galant VR4, Old Turbocharged Mazda 626, the 1995 Probe Turbo..etc. Those are sleepers.

I would rather be proud of my turbocharged vehicle then try to hide it, and I'd rather have competition than line up with someone that thinks you aren't turbo'd and raced just because he thought you weren't turbo'd. The only thing you are doing, like I said is getting more races by racing slower cars...so whats the point?

 

[ezspoolin]

If you want an eclipse/talon/laser sleeper, get a 1g. You'll get better performance out of it and they're quite ugly

you blasphemer!!!!! if it weren't for the jk after that i'd hunt you down, take away your 1g and give you a honda!!!!

and btw omnis are sweet!!!!

 

[1991tsi]

find an omni glhs there the ultimate sleeper i have went the sleeper route with the talon mine is a first gen with no emblems or badging at all and stock apperence it is the pewter mist so its not a flashy color the sleeper works for a little bit until you take it out and race sombody and everybody sees you win then everybody knows

 

[saw wave analog]

Whats the point of being a sleeper

less cops looking
less ricers jocking
the car is rare
cheap insurance
usually requires fabrication, diy, bolt ons are very limited
gas pays for itself *ahem*
omnis are the ultimate in sex appeal


and most importantly, because i want to

 

[afieclipse5124]

JX9 wrote:

I would expect you to know better. Weight you fool! j/k

True, but it's still faster than a civic.

 

[1993eclipseGS]

Wow this thread is still going.. Hasent the answer been displayed in many posts already?

You dont ''make'' a sleeper, In my opinion. You buy the car, And dont do no exterior work, Only performance modifications. The outside the way it is, Weather it be stock appearing or in primer/rust.

You DONT take a perfectly good looking car and make it look like a piece of shit, If you WANT to make it look like a n/t and drive it slow so no one hears the turbo spool, That is so pathetic. That is a waste. Dont buy a turbo, Buy a n/t then. You dont take a good looking car and kill it just because you want a ''sleeper''. Thats really ###.

 

[paranoidTSi]

less cops looking
less ricers jocking
the car is rare
cheap insurance
usually requires fabrication, diy, bolt ons are very limited
gas pays for itself *ahem*
omnis are the ultimate in sex appeal


and most importantly, because i want to

less cops looking - having the car look like crap doesn't stop radar from working, and if you had everything registered and legal then you wouldn't have a problem with it anyway. A cop is still going to notice you weither you are in a nice car or a ugly car if you are referring to racing.

less ricers jocking - whats the big deal with people checking out your car?

cheap insurance - how do you figure? Insurance isn't based on how limited a car is or how unknown the car is. The only way around this is to buy a POS and swap every part out and let the insurance think it is all stock. If you think the insurance company doesn't know, for example, what a Galant VR4 is and its specs you are mistaking.

usually requires fabrication, diy, bolt ons are limited - sounds like a limitation rather than a plus.

gas pays for itself - depends on the car...

 

[saw wave analog]

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you get pulled over more in a sporty looking car than you do a normal one, this is not disputable. im an insurance agent, i know exactly how insurance functions, and any car that i would consider to be a sleeper isnt going to be high rated. a gsx with the x cut off is not a sleeper.


more importantly.. why are you trying to argue this? is you opinion somehow better than mine? you asked for reasons, you got them. not accepting anything unless it supports your own preexisting notions of what is correct is leaving you with a pretty narrow view dont you think?

i dont give a shit what anyone drives, i love my omni. it feeds off of people like you. your overconfidence is why i said it pays for its own gas.... but by all means, keep it up.. just another surprised face for my highlights reel and 50$ more in my gas tank

 

[saw wave analog]

and just because your post left such a bad taste in my mouth, i went and looked up the DOI ratings of a 91 vr4 and a 91 gsx. the vr4 is rated as standard performance, symbol 14. the gsx is an intermediate performance symbol 16.

the higher the symbol, the higher the cost. intermediate performance is obviously more expensive than standard. why is the vr4 rated lower than a gsx when its worth more and has the exact same drivetrain plus 4 wheel steering? because the gsx is more obvious, and statistically more likely to be involved in some type of claim event due to the fact that its well known.


keep it up

 

[JX6]

Wow this thread is still going.. Hasent the answer been displayed in many posts already?

You dont ''make'' a sleeper, In my opinion. You buy the car, And dont do no exterior work, Only performance modifications. The outside the way it is, Weather it be stock appearing or in primer/rust.

You DONT take a perfectly good looking car and make it look like a piece of shit, If you WANT to make it look like a n/t and drive it slow so no one hears the turbo spool, That is so pathetic. That is a waste. Dont buy a turbo, Buy a n/t then. You dont take a good looking car and kill it just because you want a ''sleeper''. Thats really ###.

Dude Chill out.
I opened this thread to ask for advice.I can choose to use the advice or not pay attention to it.i don't plan on messing up the car.You don't know what I plan on doing to it besides the possible RS sticker so what are you talking about.I did not name the thread "help me MAKE a sleeper".Don't worry, I don't plan on making DSM'rs look bad.

JX6 wrote:


True, but it's still faster than a civic.

I have beat plenty of Eclipse RS in my civic.
I bet all 7 of them weren't "bad drivers".

 

[afieclipse5124]

I have beat plenty of Eclipse RS in my civic. I bet all 7 of them weren't "bad drivers".

are you talking about both being stock? and is your civic one of the older ones with more power than the post 2000s? It's just that I've been in a a 2003 civic, and it definitely doesn't have as much pep.

 

[gsxeclipsed]

well this might sound crazy but atleast around me to be a sleeper your have to have a flashy bodykit and huge spoiler. Cuz i can think of atleast 10 guys with more money into body and rims then motor and they still think their cars are fast. but im not ganna waste my money on a body kit because no one will even race me anymore

 

[Steve Hebert]

Firstly - I do believe my car is a sleeper

330 WHP 92 Galant VR4
FMIC not easily seen
4 doors
Stock looking (dual tip - 2 1/4" ea) exhaust - unusually quiet
50 yr old man driving.. (believe me that really helps -)
Yes is has a simple spoiler on the back - but so do many Camry's..

I am not really up on the various Eclipse models - don't really know what RS GTX or whatever means. What I look at first - exhaust. My feeling - if it is a single exhaust 2" or less probably not modified.

If it's a coffee can exhaust - the driver at least wants to think he is fast.

Exhaust can be the giveaway in my opinion....

 

[NoahD]

Get the A-Pillar Gauges, but dont put a boost gauge in. Just Air and Oil.