What do I need?

[TSI_AWD95]

Hi guys, I am new to DSM's and would like to ask what I need in order to get my car into the high 11's- mid 12's. I have a 95 tsi awd and currently have full 3" turboback exhaust, injen intake w/big k&n filter, bov, and boost gauge. I am about to do the complete timing belt change my car has 90k original miles. I would like to be able to get about 20 lbs of boost and would also like to be able to daily drive my car without putting my motor at risk. My friend is telling me while I do the timing belt I should go ahead and do head studs, head gasket, and motor mounts if I plan on putting a bigger turbo on. For some reason I just dont feel like its necessary for what im looking to get out of my car.

 

[RoryBarron]

Tech Guide: 2G 4G63t Upgrades: Stage 1 Power - DSMtuners

This is what many will tell you to look at, obviously the most important step is maintenance, then follow the upgrade path linked here, realistically with a good tune a 16g with supporting mods will put you into the 11's-12's

 

[SpawnedX]

Concentrate on running 13s before you worry about 12s and 11s. It's going to take a lot more work and money than you think to hit 12s and 11s. Do all maintenance first then come back and start asking about performance.

 

[TSI_AWD95]

Well im wondering what I need to do once i've done the timing belt. And also, just to run 12's, is it necessary to do head studs, head gasket and motor mounts? because I would rather spend my money elsewhere if it its not. Other than the timing belt I have done all of the maintenance on my car. It is running great but I know the timing belt needs to be done and I plan on doing it within the next week. Is it safe to run 20 lbs on a 16g with the addition of a fuel pump, injectors, fmic, and 02 housing? or am I going to put my motor at risk? this is basically all i want to know. I somewhat know what i need in order to do a bigger turbo but i want to know if its necessary to do the head studs, head gasket, and motor mounts?

 

[dsm03]

+1 on Maintenance.

Next on the list, Research some info first.

Come up a plan and Goal settings, re-evaluate if necessary.

Now, you may be ready to start with questions on Mods, Parts, where to find the "best" deals etc..


Overall, Enjoy each moment!

 

[RoryBarron]

In my opinion, which is shared by others on this site, why would you not do these things while you are already putting money into it? Do it once, and do it right! How would you feel if as soon as you take it to the track you blow the headgasket because you were too cheap to do it right the first time?

 

[TSI_AWD95]

^^ well thats what i wanted to know. I just wanted some insight. Ok, head gaskets and head studs are something I will do when changing the timing belt. But motor mounts are another 300 dollars is it really necessary to do the motor mounts? Im not trying to be cheap im willing to do whatever it takes to keep my motor safe while also being on a reasonable budget

And honestly I wont even be taking my car to the track. I was just giving a ballpark range of where i want my car to be at. I dont even abuse my cars I just want something thats going to be reasonably quick. nothing ridiculous

 

[RoryBarron]

Motor mounts are probably overkill for a quick car for the street, look into inserts instead. They are much cheaper than billet mounts like you have been looking at. Another option is making diy mounts, I don't have a thread link for it though I have read about people using window glue to fill in the stock mounts for added stiffness

EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - Prothane Motor Mount Inserts: Mitsubishi Eclipse 95-99 M/T Only

 

[TSI_AWD95]

Thanks a lot for the help. And those inserts are much more affordable. That is probably what I will go with. Also, my friend reccommended the cometic head gasket. Its about 90 dollars? Do you reccomend this head gasket or are there other brands that are just as good for a better price?

 

[SpawnedX]

Get the Mitsubishi 4 layer steel head gasket.

 

[RoryBarron]

This is discussed on the forum many times, I have no personal experience with a certain brand of Hg but for 160 for studs and a new gasket it doesn't seem like a bad deal

EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - ARP Headstuds + Cometic Headgasket: 90-99 Mitsubishi Eclipse

 

[99 gst spyder]

going to the 12's, you definitly need head studs so then you might as well get new head gasket and inpect your internals, unless it'll start to pull the head off the block reaching high hp, and 12's usually give you higher whp numbers. also depends on how you drive.

bigger turbo/manifold
intercooler/pipe
injectors
pump
afpr
high boost
and dsmlink will get you there easily

 

[TSI_AWD95]

would a 14b with all of these supporting mods get me in the 12's? Or what turbo would you reccommend. and again, thanks for all of your input

 

[RoryBarron]

It is possible, though I don't remember many using a 14b in the 12's, and usually they are in the high twelves, you might look into an evo3 16g, or t28 if you are looking to be in the 12's! again, with supporting mods!

 

[EclipseTical]

It is possible, though I don't remember many using a 14b in the 12's, and usually they are in the high twelves, you might look into an evo3 16g, or t28 if you are looking to be in the 12's! again, with supporting mods!

14b's have gone mid 11s. DSM 1/4 Mile Times - 14b