Turn Ratio

[TeamRDM]

I have tried searching the internet and this forum (the search feature is not great) anyway, I cannot find any information about the ideal turn ratio for an ignition coil. Does it changer when you add more air or more fuel, or does it always stay the same? And im sure about this one but no harm in ask, is it different for Turbo equipped vehicles?

On a side note: what is the best tuning application for a non turbo 420a> Should I go **MegaSquirt?

**(that seems like the best option according to everything I have read on this forum)

anybody got an opinion?

 

[TeamRDM]

anyone?

 

[jayson427]

not trying to be mean but you should read some more. unless you have major engine mods on your n/a you wouldnt need to tune it. if anything you can buy a better ecu like an af/x ecu. megasquirt/dsmlink is mainly for turbo guys that need to tune their motors to the "t" to get everything out of them and pleanty of room to grow.

i have no idea what you mean by ideal turn ratio on ignition coil? its not a v8? the coil pack that controls spark always puts out the same volts no matter what. there is only a few upgraded coil packs for the 420a and unless you have a built motor theres no real need for it.

 

[TeamRDM]

meant to take the ms part out. It had been answered sorry. but Yes i am trying to do all motor mods so it was just a question I just wanted to know what the options were (god forbid i try to seek advice on a forum).

And yes look at ignition coils I have seen 100:1 110:1 and 70:1 for our cars.

 

[grothe3297venge]

In all honesty, all motor upgrades seem to be limited for the 420a.. Save your money and get a turbo only way you'll get any real power (even tho I give kudos to those who have went all motor!!)

Get a CAI, headers, and call it a day my friend until you can get it!

 

[jayson427]

meant to take the ms part out. It had been answered sorry. but Yes i am trying to do all motor mods so it was just a question I just wanted to know what the options were (god forbid i try to seek advice on a forum).

And yes look at ignition coils I have seen 100:1 110:1 and 70:1 for our cars.

unless you had advance timing you wouldnt need to mess with the ignition.

 

[DJ Raydiate]

Turn Ratio..... I thought maybe this was a tread about suspension.....

 

[TeamRDM]

unless you had advance timing you wouldnt need to mess with the ignition.

Thank you for answering my question, I just got new wires and plugs and was dabiting whether or not changing the coil would make a difference. I guess it doesnt. Thank you +1

(how do u even plus rep on this forum I only see add rep points on my posts)

In all honesty, all motor upgrades seem to be limited for the 420a.. Save your money and get a turbo only way you'll get any real power (even tho I give kudos to those who have went all motor!!)

Get a CAI, headers, and call it a day my friend until you can get it!

So even if I get new cams and pistons it wouldnt make much of a difference? I basically need new pistons if im going to turbo right?

 

[Breezio69]

What exactly are your goals?

Like stated already, IF you would like to get some real gains, save up for a turbo. there are plenty of used turbos that work or could be rebuilt for sale in the classifieds right now... the $1000 youd spend on cams/pistons/coils/tuner for an N/A/ could get you 30-40 hp... or the 6-700 youd spend (if you shop around) could get you a good turbo setup and double that HP number.



OR, get a 4g63t complete and swap it?

after owning a few turbo cars and one N/A... turbo all day

And yes, the title of this thread is a little misleading, I thought maybe it would be a thread on how to bring our STEERING turn radius a bit tighter... my jeep turns in half the space

 

[TeamRDM]

What exactly are your goals?

Like stated already, IF you would like to get some real gains, save up for a turbo. there are plenty of used turbos that work or could be rebuilt for sale in the classifieds right now... the $1000 youd spend on cams/pistons/coils/tuner for an N/A/ could get you 30-40 hp... or the 6-700 youd spend (if you shop around) could get you a good turbo setup and double that HP number.



OR, get a 4g63t complete and swap it?

after owning a few turbo cars and one N/A... turbo all day

And yes, the title of this thread is a little misleading, I thought maybe it would be a thread on how to bring our STEERING turn radius a bit tighter... my jeep turns in half the space

Lol we have gotten way off the topic that this post was meant for. I would change it but I can't.

Wow I guess i would be better off just saving if thats all the hp im going to get. But where could I find a turbo kit (thats not an ebay kit) for under 1k? Im assuming you werent talking about an ebay turbo. So I guess what Im asking is, "are you trying to tell me to piece out my own turbo 'kit' so to speak, instead of buying a 'kit"?

Well I have just got the car its got 115,xxx miles on it so I was hoping to have it a while. The previous owner did put a new tranny on it @60,xxx. But Since i make shit money being a cook that by the time I get around to buying a turbo ill have racked up a shit ton of miles and would need a re-build in addition to that turbo. Ugh I wish I made more money.

I should mention that I am just getting in to tuning and am not really all that mechanically inclined, so as far as my goal is, I want hp all day long.

 

[grothe3297venge]

Do regular maintenance and tune ups when needed and you won't need to rebuild your motor!

This will get you started if you start piecing one together! http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...uild-420a-stage-2-turbo-kit-under-1000-a.html

Also I don't think these are "all hp cars" (hence why, people turbo there car) All hp would consider tons of money and work to get a decent amount of hp!

 

[TeamRDM]

Do regular maintenance and tune ups when needed and you won't need to rebuild your motor!

This will get you started if you start piecing one together! http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...uild-420a-stage-2-turbo-kit-under-1000-a.html

Also I don't think these are "all hp cars" (hence why, people turbo there car) All hp would consider tons of money and work to get a decent amount of hp!

I really just meant the more hp the better . I dont think I will ever stop trying to add more hp .

I guess I could buy all the pieces for a kit for less than an actual 'turbo kit' but I do not have the tools or capability to install it. but I highly doubt an install would cost more than 600 bucks. So a turbo kit for 1/2 the price of a 'true kit' I may be able to do if I really save up. However to be able to run a high psi I would need to upgrade somewhere. So if anyone could help me figure out what parts I should get to be able to run more boost that would be greatly appreciated. like I said I am just getting into this (and already in the deep end it seems).

but thanks for all your help so far guys and believe me there a a LOT of questions I haven't asked so please dont tell me to scour the forums, cause i have done so already.

 

[Breezio69]

However to be able to run a high psi I would need to upgrade somewhere. .

Your best option for HP all day is to sell your rs or gs and find a gst or gsx... that would be a hell of a lot better start! what does the rs/gs have? 9.2 sec 0-60? gst gsx is low 6?

OK back to the dicussion, if you wanna turbo it correctly just go get; pistons, rods, cams, injectors, intercooler kit, tuning software, gauges, blow off valve, fuel pump... probably some more stuff but there is a start for ya

Keep in mind, this can all be bought used, and the pistons rods and cams are going to go sooner than later, you wouldnt need them at first but hell it could blow up the day you start it.

If you really want the hp your "dreaming" about, start out with the right platform.. your basically trying to tune a Neon, catch my drift?

 

[GRAVEDIGGER]

It's time for you to do some reading...

Tech Guide: 2G 420A Power Upgrades - DSMtuners

2GNT.com - Power_Stages

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/420a-turbo-conversion/369962-420a-tuning-options.html

 

[TeamRDM]

It's time for you to do some reading...

Tech Guide: 2G 420A Power Upgrades - DSMtuners

2GNT.com - Power_Stages

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/420a-turbo-conversion/369962-420a-tuning-options.html

I totally forgot about 2gnt as far as this site goes, there is not a post that says "If you are planning to turbo you want to start ... then... and... now its time to add your turbo"

But yea tuning a neon sounds awful. I guess i could build the lower and swap the head with the 2.4l then add a turbo. Does that sound reasonable?

 

[Breezio69]

Keep the car maintained and in good shape till you have some money saved up, sell it, buy a gst or gsx. I may get flamed for saying that, but think about it... you want to dump a ton of money in to nothing... to end up at stock HP for a gst seriously, your at 140hp baseline (realistically lets say 120) you drop all that money to get maybe 20-30 out of pistons and a lower end. Then at best case scenario you turbo it and get a 40-50% gain... if my math is right you now own a weaker more expensive gst in the low 200 HP...

 

[jayson427]

yeah most of these guys are right. honestly i have spent a little over 7k with a fully built motor and machine work and nothing ever goes right the first time so it cost more. and 7k is just in the motor iv done ecu upgrade suspension and exhaust. but my hopes are to turbo my motor and tune away since it will be able to handle whatever i throw at it. also it took me about 3 years to finish

 

[TeamRDM]

thanks for the info guys really helps.