Track Trip w/FP DSM 76 HTA

[SmalltownDSMer]

doubled07- Definitely did not mean to thread jack about the mani blanket but I have been trying to find something for a while and yours looked awesome!

I spoke with him a couple hours ago and he is a great guy, great customer service!

Once again, badass car!

Jayson

 

[hubz91talontsi]

Deric, are all these times on slicks but the 10.7? 1.37 60' in a 3000lb car..

You have no 60' times comparing vacuum pump and no pump on slicks?

It took a stock restall and 3 Sinister converters to get it to stall reasonably with acceptable slip. It stalls up in about 6 seconds, and Deric builds rpm as he creeps into the beams.

The 1.77 60 ft times and 10.7 @ 130 passes at the shootout were on the same sinister converter, but a low boost tune of 23-24 psi and no vacuum pump. I believe the launch rpm was 3500 then.

This past weekend the car was on a new 34-35 psi tune, with a vacuum pump and 3700 rpm launches. As you can see, the result was a 1.37 60 ft. The first past netted a 1.58 60 ft and 10.1 et because the car was pushing thru the brakes and low on boost coming off the line. When I saw the launch on the 2nd and final run of the day, I knew in was in the 9s.

And for comparison sake, this car in AUTO form pulls harder than my 5-spd talon did with a Precision 3582 at 40 psi. The power band is unbelievable on this 3076. FP definitely FTW on one sick street car with no bottles to refill!

 

['97boostinGST]

Holy huge green filter batman, nice!

 

[doubled07]

The 60ft never got any better at the shootout. Both on street tires and the slicks it went 1.7. Low RPM launch was the cause.

The filter is the secret. Last thing I want is to starve the turbo for air.

Holy huge green filter batman, nice!

Deric, are all these times on slicks but the 10.7? 1.37 60' in a 3000lb car..

You have no 60' times comparing vacuum pump and no pump on slicks?

The 1.7 60' was at 3500 rpm without the pump. anything higher I would push through the brakes

The 1.5 60' was also on 3500 rpm just had a better tune on the car.

the 1.3 60' was with the RPM raised to 3800 or so with the vac pump installed.

 

[hubz91talontsi]

How the frig are they holding this car back from flying?

"So they said we wouldn't be able to get it on the converter on a 2.0L without nitrous. Then they said we could never make enough boost on the converter cause its tight for the high rpm motor. Then they said we wouldn't be able to get it near the 2 step on the boost on the converter without it creeping through the brakes. Im pleased to anounce it wasn't easy, but We did it. Here's 37 psi of boost @ 4700 RPM on the brakes, until an axles lets go "

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[fosforito95]

Holy huge green filter batman, nice!

what kind of filter is that?

 

[LaserRS92]

A Green Filter USA filter.

 

[9secSLC]

very nice! I can't wait to get my auto built and installed. 1.3 60 ft is insane.

 

[c16veins]

How the frig are they holding this car back from flying?

"So they said we wouldn't be able to get it on the converter on a 2.0L without nitrous. Then they said we could never make enough boost on the converter cause its tight for the high rpm motor. Then they said we wouldn't be able to get it near the 2 step on the boost on the converter without it creeping through the brakes. Im pleased to anounce it wasn't easy, but We did it. Here's 37 psi of boost @ 4700 RPM on the brakes, until an axles lets go "

The thing you have to worry about with vacuum pumps, extra calipers, etc. and holding the car back at 4000 rpm + with that kind of boost is exactly what broke in their case... axles (and transmission output shafts). Why do you think the best 60 ft guys that keep shit together (Abele brothers) launch well below 4000 with moderate boost, and then ramp it up as soon as the car is rolling?

Also, getting on the converter isn't the only issue. The real challenge is getting on the converter in a reasonable amount of time and maintaining a slip under 20%.

I'll let Deric reveal the vacuum pump and cams if he chooses.

I also read someone refer to "these guys" when speaking of Deric's car. There is no substantial help on the car other than our buddy Kevin Collins tuning the Megasquirt. Kevin is our Jesse, minus the NOS timing. Deric makes all final adjustments at the track to the tune. I'm just there for input and a wrench... and I remember the days when it was the other way around.

Occasional thoughts have come from gurus Dave Buschur, Curt Brown , and Jeff Bush.

This car, like many, is the result of research and trial-and-error. The parts are working very well together, but we believe there is more in this turbo.

Speaking of trial and error, the car may get another trip to the track after SEMA on a JMF drag manifold that Deric has laying around. The first couple Sinister converters would not stall for shit on the setup, hence the switch to the evo 3 intake manifold. But it's worth the time to switch back to the JMF and see what happens.

 

[GDNF2ET]

Is the current success due to the intake manifold switch or a converter change, or were both done at the same time ?
How many seconds does it take to go into boost while brake boosting ?
I've read that your done switching converters for this year, so what exactly is your 9" SIN converter and is there another version you think would do even better ?
Congrats on your succuss !!

 

[doubled07]

I would say the low end torque provided by the evo intake manifold was the final piece of the puzzle to making the car come up on the converter. It would do it on the JMF Drag but not as quick and I didn't like how hot the tranny temps would get. The car on the footbrake will build boost in about 2-3 6-7 seconds to be at your desired launch rpm. Once it starts building boost it is on like donkey kong.
Converter is the 9" core 1 non weighted which i'm not sure if available still. Mike has gone through a lot of revisions on these converters in the last 4 months. He may have replaced this with something even better at this point.

 

[viperlp01]

Dude your making me feel like a failure !!! Less boost and matching the 9.7. I need to get the tune off safe mod and give her hell .. Good shit man. I am glad you got it figured out!

 

[doubled07]

Dude your making me feel like a failure !!! Less boost and matching the 9.7. I need to get the tune off safe mod and give her hell .. Good shit man. I am glad you got it figured out!

haha....thanks man. Your car is nasty. the fabrication skills on your setup are sick man. Awesome Work! Turn it up and get the twins back to the track! I'm gonna try and get back to the track and let it eat I think it may have some more in it. Hopefully the weather won't shut me out!

 

[viperlp01]

How is the weather out in PA? Its starting to get cold out here. The air is going to be killer

 

[eclipsed4seed99]

I'm glad to see our talk helped out, nice friggen passes brotha!!!!!

 

[doubled07]

Yeah, getting cool, rain is what really blows. Its like Seattle man, I swear this time of year it rains daily...haha. I have to travel for work here shortly so I won't be able to get the car back to the track till the beginning of November. Hopefully the weather will clear up for then...gonna keep my fingers crossed.

Thanks Jeff! Those final tweaks are what made the difference. I was up that night we spoke till 2am wiring in the vacuum pump. Car has more left in it it too. Tune was fat and boost was low. FP thinks the turbo can push 40psi. Next trip out we'll see!

 

[Michael@FP]

Way to go man we're happy to be a part of your project and see you out there kicking ass.

-Michael

 

[autotalon]

nice friggin job!

I would also like to know what cams. 2.0 or 2.3? is this the ball bearing green or the other one thats half the price? Also, what were the dyno #'s?

 

[blazinglaser_90]

Great job Deric thanks for the props on the tune! Your car responded extremely well to the megasquirt 3 ecu and the tuning on the dyno. I can't wait to get the bigger intake manifold and see if we can make some more top end power !



Kevin

 

[JusMX141]

Awesome job, D....getting close to the 9.10 that the shell ran when C.B. owned it!

Any idea what airflow you were seeing with that turbo?

 

[c16veins]

Awesome job, D....getting close to the 9.10 that the shell ran when C.B. owned it!

Any idea what airflow you were seeing with that turbo?

And if the car was on a 3586 with no exhaust and every seam on the car taped up... it would be there

 

[doubled07]

Thanks Justin Gotta push the car a bit harder. May be able to get close to that time again one day. Doubt it will be on this turbo but it will get there. Not sure of the air flow. Gotta look at the log again. I will let you know though.

 

[FPAmber]

Great job Deric!! Way to get it done.

 

[doubled07]

Only one way to get it done. The FP way!
Thanks Amber for all your help! Anyone looking for any info on FP products don't hesitate to ask Amber anything. She can school more than 80% of DSMers out there. Got me every spec of info I was looking for when I was trying to pick the turbo best suited for this build!

 

[rr06rs]

So is this shell running CB ceramic bb wheel bearings?