Track and handeling gurus needed. What camber is best?

[greengoblin]

The best low good handling spring setup is (IMO) Koni yellow with H&R springs. Like I said before. Sportlines look good and NOTHING else.

Kevin

 

[jacobevan611]

The higher the number, the stiffer the spring. If you're happy with what you have now, then I'd stick to something around that spring rate. Once you start going up, the ride will definitely get rougher.

I agree with Grant. You're looking more for a set of springs that gives you a nice ride and a really low look over something that is a performance piece - which is perfectly fine. Stiff springs aren't for everyone.

I'm confused. So are the sportlines stiffer than what I have now? I I don't understand. I know they are progressive but eibach says the sportlines are 220-330 front and 89-194 rear. i don't get if that would be softer or stiffer than the tokico springs I am running.

The best low good handling spring setup is (IMO) Koni yellow with H&R springs. Like I said before. Sportlines look good and NOTHING else.

Kevin

What h&r springs? There are like 3 different types

 

[BigBeans]

The only way to truly determine the best camber is to get a pyrometer and head to the track. Measure the temps on the inside, center, and outside of the tire surface and adjust camber until the temps are close.

Besides optimal tire use, feel should always be a factor. How balanced is the grip, and when it lets go, does it do what you want in terms of under/oversteer.

 

[BigBeans]

What h&r springs? There are like 3 different types

I've used H&R "Race" springs on several BMWs and absolutely love them. They're on my DSM now, and they are very good, although i haven't taken the time to sort out the suspension so my car is poorly balanced.

 

[snowborder714]

Okay well I currently have the tokico springs and I called up tokico and they said the rates were 285 for the front and 160 for the rear. I am extremely happy with them. I called eibach yesterday and they said the sportlines are 220-320 in the front and 89-194 in the back. Which have better rates? Does that mean the sportliness are stiffer? I don't care how harsh the ride is as long as its not bouncy.

The Tokico fronts are 285 and the Sportlines are 220-320. If you really push the Sportlines, they will be stiffer.


The Tokico rears are 160 and the Sportilnes are 89-194. If you really push the Sportlines, they will be stiffer.

 

[jacobevan611]

The Tokico fronts are 285 and the Sportlines are 220-320. If you really push the Sportlines, they will be stiffer.


The Tokico rears are 160 and the Sportilnes are 89-194. If you really push the Sportlines, they will be stiffer.

This is excellent! This means when I am daily driving the ride will be more comfortable but when I want to have some fun it will be even stiffer than the tokicos. Good info snowboarder!

 

[knochgoon24]

since mine is a daily driver i am right now running 0* in the front and 1.6* in the rear. I am also stock height as this is my dd and i like clearing speed bumps. :] Best way to tell is with a heat gun and a couple trips to the track.

0* camber on the front!? I guess you hate any though of wheel spin.
As bad as these cars understeer, I think you'd want some camber in the front.

 

[snowborder714]

This is excellent! This means when I am daily driving the ride will be more comfortable but when I want to have some fun it will be even stiffer than the tokicos. Good info snowboarder!

You already provided the spring info - I just put it in an easy to understand layout with some analysis

 

[96 420a-t]

0* camber on the front!? I guess you hate any though of wheel spin.
As bad as these cars understeer, I think you'd want some camber in the front.

I like long tire life is why 0*. Yes when I push the car id does understeer a bit and the outer edge of my tire has a saw tooth pattern. But its more for tire wear than anything. Besides I don't have a camber kit that's just what its at. All I did was equalise it left to right.

 

[snowborder714]

You do know camber is not what really kills tires, right? It's toe.

 

[96 420a-t]

Yes I know. That is what my stock suspension is at. Besides its right in the manufacturer spec so its ok. Ill worry about it when I'm lowered.

Just a little info on me. I do all of my own work, including alignments.

 

[PieEyedPiper]

The Tokico fronts are 285 and the Sportlines are 220-320. If you really push the Sportlines, they will be stiffer.


The Tokico rears are 160 and the Sportilnes are 89-194. If you really push the Sportlines, they will be stiffer.

Interesting when you put it that way, but I couldn't care less if the last mm of travel was stiffer than the Tokico springs. The sportlines, being even lower, would need a more significant increase in rate for me to take them seriously.

And about the 0* camber up front.. go look at the outside edge of your tires and tell us what you see. A shop screwed me over and I ended up with -0.1* instead of -1.0 and I pretty much wasted the outer edge in 5 hour trip I embarked on. BRAND NEW $750.00 tries. I was driving it hard though on very windy roads.

EDIT: I'm a goof. It's been covered.

 

[WHite97RS]

does eibach no longer make the pro kits? They are stiffer than the sportlines.....check those out if you haven't already.