Thoughts on a T-60-1

[Teflon]

Ok, can anyone tell me about the Turbonetics T-60-1. Is it still street able? Will I need any other mods rather than what I have and a new manifold and 02 housing? What is the average and max HP with the right support mods? Is it too big for road racing/autox?

 

[1gDSM4g63]

Turblownetic T60-1 is the worst turbo ever made. It has by far the worst CHRA rating which cannot hold high boost.

 

[ihatedsms]

And this info is based on?

 

[KPEclipse]

The fact that his hx40 blows that 60-1 out the water.

 

[ihatedsms]

The fact that his hx40 blows that 60-1 out the water.

True that!, I just dont think a turbonetics 60-1 is all that bad.

 

[KPEclipse]

Eh, I think it's all relative.
That 60-1 probably wasn't a BAD turbo...it's just hard now with BW and Holset on the scene to have these turbos even be considered. When you can get serious spool and comparable if not better flow, and on top of it all pay SIGNIFICANTLY less, why wouldn't you?

50, 60 trims will always be decent turbos...but a SBR G50 is 730. Bolts on, and flows well.

An hx35 is 200, in useable shape. BEP housing is 200, bolts on, flows better. What could YOU do with 430 dollars?

 

[Teflon]

That's all for a Hx35? Well I'm sold.

 

[KPEclipse]

You gotta get -10AN oil drain...and I'd suggest going external. But that's what I'm doing. Teflon, PM me.

 

[1gDSM4g63]

And this info is based on?

Well, this is based on when I have the t60-1 back 5 yrs ago. There was a lot of bad reviews having weak internals. Mine just blew out pushing 22 psi and I don't mean just a little shaft play. The entire internal just broke a part and when call Turbonetics they didn't seem to surprised.

 

[DSMunknown]

A good friend of mine daily drove her 46Xwhp 60-1 1G through college with no ill effects. Held for her like a champ. If you would like to know more about the setup, send me an email (not PM).

 

[90awd4g63]

Not to steal your thread, but I'm in almost the same situation. I got my Talon about 2 years ago, and had a unknown Turbonetics turbo on it. When asked for assistance on this site, I found out it was a T-60. I haven't had any issues with the turbo. I run 22 pounds daily. I haven't increased the boost because I don't know what modifications have been done to the engine itself.

 

[BigSorn]

My friend has a 60-1 on his laser, and he made 400whp easy, and spooled decent.

 

[1gDSM4g63]

Good for you guys... maybe Turbonetics has improved but I will never go back to them no matter what from my experience.

They don't design their turbos well nor their pieces of $hit boost controller, not to mention their T3 manifold design won't be able to fit any T3 turbine housings in any DSM. Turbonetics is really far below standards compare the Garrett, Borg Warner and Holset.

As for Teflon, if you really want to go with a 60-1 I would go with the PTE SCM52 Series. Pretty much the same price, bolt-on and BEST of all, the turbine is Garrett. However, I would personally recommend the Holset HX35. You want a faster spooling turbo for autox and it's capable of more power than the 60-1.

 

[dsm-onster]

My turbonetics 60-1 blew up after a few long months of laggy performance. The 60-1 compressor has a 58-59 lb/min compressor map. Pathetically, many of these came with a tiny t3 stage3 turbine wheel which was supposed to increase the spool speed. But limits flow to no more than what a smaller 60-trim or 50-trim can deliver. So now you have a laggier turbo than a 50-trim with no more potential, all just to get a big flowing compressor. Bragging rites. This is what I had. You can get a stage 5 turbine wheel. Which would be enough and probably ideal.

The fpred has this same compressor wheel. So the compressor CAN perform. If backed by the proper turbine. After all, there's two ends to a turbo, a block, and other things . A pretty compressor flow map does NOT tell you the performance potential of the turbocharger. You really need to pull off the turbine housing or get a solid confirmation of which turbine wheel you have.

And I agree. No matter what's under that cover you will have much lag for the performance. Time marches on. Fluid Dynamics and Aerodynamics are progressing fields. The new stuff is much better, and cost less if you keep your eyes open. At most, you'll pay the same price for brand new. The fpred (60-1) is a ten second turbo. The common 58mm 8blade hx40 spools MUCH faster and will match the flow up top and make more horsepower per psi because the turbine flows more. The big hx40 (pro or super40) flows 66lb/min and spools as fast a gt3076r. Think 40psi by 4200rpms.

Borg-Warner is another GREAT turbocharger builder/designer that's putting out some incredible turbos for the price. The fastest 4g63 in the world boasts a BW turbo. Their compressor maps are incredible. And their turbine wheels seam to be almost as good as holset counterparts. A perfect turbo with all the best tech today would be a BW compressor and a holset turbine. . . With holset's new experimental airbearing tech (no oil, no contact, no contamination to blow the turbo, more gains than BB, and still rebuildable vs. BB).

 

[99gst_racer]

Wait - Is this about the T60 or the 60-1?

 

[1gDSM4g63]

Wait - Is this about the T60 or the 60-1?

This is all about the Turbonetics T60-1.

 

[GSX_TC1]

How much is an hx40? and What manifold would u need to bolt it on?

 

[KPEclipse]

hx40s range. new ive seen them for like 1200...a friend of mine scooped one up for 150. I beleive they have t3/t4 turbines, which would mate them to that same manifold, but you can buy a bolt on housing to get them mated to a dsmflanged exhaust manifold.

 

[1gDSM4g63]

A new HX40 w/ BEP bolt-on housing is less than $1k. You need a FP Racing manifold or a super ported 2g for less restriction.

BEP also offers a T3 0.70 a/r housing too but if you go with the stock Holset housing it is a T4 divided housing.

 

[99gst_racer]

This is all about the Turbonetics T60-1.

Show me where that exists.

It's either a 60-1 series compressor, or a T-series compressor.

 

[dsm-onster]

He's right, of course. T60-1 is not a compressor wheel name for a garrett or t-netics. . .Maybe ebay? But, I'm just assuming that it's a 60-1 we're talking about since it is more popular wheel, and anyone looking at a T60 for a serious choice of a charger would know about them or where to get the information, and tuners like to put T or R or GT on everything, and many get confused because garrett has T2, T3, T4, T6 frame sizes.

 

[GSX_TC1]

hx40s range. new ive seen them for like 1200...a friend of mine scooped one up for 150. I beleive they have t3/t4 turbines, which would mate them to that same manifold, but you can buy a bolt on housing to get them mated to a dsmflanged exhaust manifold.

So how much power can you get out of those?

 

[dsm-onster]

653whp in bolton housing. Obviously, more if running the stock holset housing since the stock housing is bigger, twinscroll w/ t4 flange, and the compressor has a 67lb/min efficiency map. In the bolton housing, it spools much faster than a gt35r and outflows it. It spools to full boost by 4100rpms on a 2.0L with a SMIM and 272-style cams. Steve93Talon has actual aem ems logs of this; and of course, everyone who runs one reports the same on the holset threads. Which is believeable to me because my holset h1c spools as fast as my small 16g with this same setup but flows about as much as a 20g.

 

[GSX_TC1]

Wow that pretty impressive man, But they cost a thousand bucks though?

 

[dsm-onster]

What new +550whp turbo doesnt???? Most cost much more. How much does a scm61 cost which is old tech and poor spool? They sell on ebay used and in good condition all the time for half that. They can be rebuilt for $200, and you could buy a core for under $200. For $600 you could have a rebuilt hx40 with the billet (hta-like) 68 lb/min compressor.