The UN gun ban that would strip Americans of their rights to own guns

[mysticfire6602]

Im going to disagree, A guy here in my town was asleep someone banged on his door at 3 a.m. He got out of bed and grabed his .22 pistol. He anwsered the door, while having the gun behind him so they guy wouldnt see it. When he opend the door the guy pushed him. The guy fell down and when he hit the floor his gun went off. The intruder was shot in the head, killed instantly. Jeff "the homeowner" never went to jail or anything.

WTF

my old friends dad did exactly what i mentioned in the post and his house was reposesed, he was sent to jail, and the theif's family sued for the death of their son.

 

[leet]

WTF

my old friends dad did exactly what i mentioned in the post and his house was reposesed, he was sent to jail, and the theif's family sued for the death of their son.

Things like this should not be allowed to happen.

You do not let intolerance spread in the name of tolerance.

 

[Tsi_User]

You wouldn't believe some of the PM's I get

Oh man i'm sure some of them would be worth paying to read

no one's completely flippet out in here, so it seems like is should stay open.

 

[DSMBen]

I think that's crap. If it was true there would be a lot more commotion going on about it. Also the whole constitutional thing, you know the right to bare arms? The UN can't just take away our rights. The UN doesn't control us.

 

[thekellbeast]

Your logic and reasoning ability is more astounding than I could've possibly imagined; so eloquent.

In any case, why are you all so ready to "pump an intruder full of lead"? Keep in mind they're human beings as well.. Your talking about murdering burglars, burglars who may intend no harm on you or your family. Yes, protect your homes. BUT protection starts with a security system and a dog maybe; not with purchasing the largest weapon you can so you can blow another person to bits.

Hehe, I can hardly believe what some of you have to say, unbelievable...

Maybe I let my emotions get carried away when I said that little bit. But if someone told you that you should have to go through background checks and waiting periods to take part in your hobby of choice, you would be a little bit angry. Should there be a one year waiting period before you can buy sports cars? How about a ban on 'dangerous' parts, such as turbo's or nitrous?

Nobody on this forum has a need for a 500 hp daily driver. Hell, a fast car in the wrong hands is very dangerous. A 3000 lb car pointed in the wrong direction can kill a lot of people. But do you see where I'm going? Just because something has no practical use, or is dangerous in the wrong hands, doesn't mean we should ban or regulate it. In our "free" society, we have (or used to have) the right to do or own whatever we wanted as long as we didn't hurt anyone else.

Just because I don't need something doesn't mean I shouldn't have it. And just because some criminals or idiots may misuse it doesn't mean I shouldn't have it either.

 

[cwbroncos]

Your logic and reasoning ability is more astounding than I could've possibly imagined; so eloquent.

In any case, why are you all so ready to "pump an intruder full of lead"? Keep in mind they're human beings as well.. Your talking about murdering burglars, burglars who may intend no harm on you or your family. Yes, protect your homes. BUT protection starts with a security system and a dog maybe; not with purchasing the largest weapon you can so you can blow another person to bits.

Hehe, I can hardly believe what some of you have to say, unbelievable...

Heres the flaw in your logic. The people robbing common house holds are more often then not gangs, drug addicts, and just general desperate people who are stupid enough to kill someone to keep from getting caught. The "professional" thieves who are smart enough to just get and not worry about a murder charge aren't wasting their time with someone's house where they might get a computer, jewlery and maybe some spare cash lieing around. And I'm not willing to bet my life or my familys life on the off chance that the guy who just broke into my house to steal all my stuff has a conscious and won't kill us.

 

[leet]

Heres the flaw in your logic. The people robbing common house holds are more often then not gangs, drug addicts, and just general desperate people who are stupid enough to kill someone to keep from getting caught. The "professional" thieves who are smart enough to just get and not worry about a murder charge aren't wasting their time with someone's house where they might get a computer, jewlery and maybe some spare cash lieing around. And I'm not willing to bet my life or my familys life on the off chance that the guy who just broke into my house to steal all my stuff has a conscious and won't kill us.

Exactly.

95% of the people here doing BnE's are [extremely unpredictable] meth addicts.

 

[IslanderTsi]

But if someone told you that you should have to go through background checks and waiting periods to take part in your hobby of choice, you would be a little bit angry. Should there be a one year waiting period before you can buy sports cars? How about a ban on 'dangerous' parts, such as turbo's or nitrous?

Are you seriously trying to compare guns as a hobby to cars? I dont want to just come out and make fun of you here but I am getting a good laugh anyways.

If all you gun enthusiasts are "resposible, law abiding" gun owners what is the problem with strict gun control? You think it should be easy for anyone to walk into a store and pick up a firearm? Should thorough background checks not be standard procedure? Would you wantr someone with a history of violence or felony convictions walking in a just being able to pick up a pistol? Seems like many of you are arguing for it. Keeping in mind a gun isnt remotely comparable to a car so don't try the comparison. Even if it were at least there is a licensing procedure to drive a car.

Using a gun as a self defence measure more often than not will just end up in the situation being escalated further than it ever would have been had you not pulled a gun out and got yourself shot or stabbed to death because of it. And before you come out with the "no way would I ever get hurt if I had a gun, im to good of a shot and to m'fin dangerous for the tables to be turned" try it somewheres else.

 

[IslanderTsi]

WTF

my old friends dad did exactly what i mentioned in the post and his house was reposesed, he was sent to jail, and the theif's family sued for the death of their son.

Just because family members etc can press charges and file civil suits doesent mean they always do. A good lawyer goes a long way

 

[Nautica985]

Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.

-Thomas Jefferson

 

[IslanderTsi]

Thomas jefferson didint know his history to well then if he thought all roman (or greek for that matter) citizens had manditory military service. Israel and france however...

 

[cwbroncos]

Are you seriously trying to compare guns as a hobby to cars? I dont want to just come out and make fun of you here but I am getting a good laugh anyways.

Why is it so hard to see the comparison? The whole reason is to prevent the lose of life. Plain and simple. If functionality out weighted danger we'd still be using abestos.

If all you gun enthusiasts are "resposible, law abiding" gun owners what is the problem with strict gun control? You think it should be easy for anyone to walk into a store and pick up a firearm? Should thorough background checks not be standard procedure? Would you wantr someone with a history of violence or felony convictions walking in a just being able to pick up a pistol? Seems like many of you are arguing for it. Keeping in mind a gun isnt remotely comparable to a car so don't try the comparison. Even if it were at least there is a licensing procedure to drive a car.

I havn't seen anybody here that said that are against gun control. And I don't know what laws you have up there but I'm pretty sure there is a background check and wait limit before you can get a gun.

 

[mopardwh]

Your logic and reasoning ability is more astounding than I could've possibly imagined; so eloquent.

In any case, why are you all so ready to "pump an intruder full of lead"? Keep in mind they're human beings as well.. Your talking about murdering burglars, burglars who may intend no harm on you or your family. Yes, protect your homes. BUT protection starts with a security system and a dog maybe; not with purchasing the largest weapon you can so you can blow another person to bits.

Hehe, I can hardly believe what some of you have to say, unbelievable...

WOW!!! Lets just give them the benefit of the doubt, right? Maybe if I offer coffee or drugs he won't kill me and rape my girlfriend.

By the way, you can go to jail for your dog biting or killing him too.

Anyway, I have several guns including high power assault rilfes, in whick I have been trained to use by the U.S. Army. I don't hunt, but I do collect/shoot guns as a hobby. Me shooting my gun in a secluded area with caution safely, is way more appropriate than others with their DSM/hotrod/ricer/V8/bike or whatever haulin ass down the street endangering others.

I will keep my protection whether or not the laws will allow it or not. Our country was founded by our right to keep guns when we fought off the british, and then massacred the indians with them. (I have indian in my blood, I can say that )

 

[IslanderTsi]

Read over the thread again if you want to see people arguing against gun control. The response to my first post about gun control was quite a good one. Something along the lines of "Thats retarded" IIRC.

Cars are designed to transport people. Guns are weapons and were developed for no other purpose than to kill. There is a little bit of a difference there.

 

[leet]

Very few people who own a firearm ever use it on another human being, whether in an offensive or defensive capacity.

Banning them because a few idiots are able to get a hold of them is a huge disservice to EVERY lawful firearm owner on the planet, myself included.

 

[mopardwh]

Read over the thread again if you want to see people arguing against gun control. The response to my first post about gun control was quite a good one. Something along the lines of "Thats retarded" IIRC.

Cars are designed to transport people. Guns are weapons and were developed for no other purpose than to kill. There is a little bit of a difference there.

If cars just transport people, then why are you on here?WTF Because you want your "transportation" to go fast and endanger others and yourself!!!

Guns are just for killing??? Yeah, hunting for food, and survival don't apply do they?

 

[IslanderTsi]

Very few people who own a firearm ever use it on another human being, whether in an offensive or defensive capacity.

Banning them because a few idiots are able to get a hold of them is a huge disservice to EVERY lawful firearm owner on the planet, myself included.

I never argued for banning them and I wont. I own over 10 longarms myself and had to go through alot to be able to own and use them. All hunting rifles for what its worth.

I see no problems with banning assault rifles or pistols etc etc though. People are gonna get them anyways but it will make it that much harder for criminals to get ahold of them.

 

[leet]

It really will not make them harder for criminals to obtain, it will simply make them cost more to purchase illegally.

I've had personal offers to buy an M249 for 25k. Even if I could afford it, that's just not something I need to be caught with

 

[cwbroncos]

Read over the thread again if you want to see people arguing against gun control. The response to my first post about gun control was quite a good one. Something along the lines of "Thats retarded" IIRC.

Cars are designed to transport people. Guns are weapons and were developed for no other purpose than to kill. There is a little bit of a difference there.

So are knives are we going to ban them also? People were killing people long before the gun was invented. And its not going to stop if guns are banned.

As for cars being designed for transportation, so is the bus, bikes, taxi cabs, trains, subways.

 

[IslanderTsi]

If cars just transport people, then why are you on here?WTF Because you want your "transportation" to go fast and endanger others and yourself!!!

Guns are just for killing??? Yeah, hunting for food, and survival don't apply do they?

Take the blinders off and read my post again. There a couple key words in there you obviously missed. Or you just cant read.

And i dont drive my car fast on the street. Thats why I go to the track and have a daily driver thats easy on gas.

 

[IslanderTsi]

So are knives are we going to ban them also? People were killing people long before the gun was invented. And its not going to stop if guns are banned.

They sure were but like I said gunsw were developed with no other purpose than killing (at first) other people. Knives were developed because of the need of them as tool in the stone age, im sure cavement didint develop them for the specific purpose of killing other cavemen.

As for cars being designed for transportation, so is the bus, the bike, taxi cabs, trains, subways.

Point being?

 

[cwbroncos]

Point being?

Point being that if we are trying to save lives banning or regulating private ownership of cars would be more effective. There are many options for transportation other then cars.

Oh and knives were invented as tools. But tools to help kill and skin animals.

 

[Thomas91169]

too bad they all forget one very small detail.

GUNS DONT FIRE THEMSELVES!

meaning, guns dont kill people, people kill people using a gun. take the gun out of the equation, and people will still kill people.

 

[knighteclipse1]

too bad they all forget one very small detail.

GUNS DONT FIRE THEMSELVES!

meaning, guns dont kill people, people kill people using a gun. take the gun out of the equation, and people will still kill people.

Very true statement, the only gun control I need is a steady aim. I have MANY firearms, and I am no criminal. What gives anyone the right to take my guns? And yes IT IS A HOBBY for me. I used to work as a gunsmith. I dare anyone to load a gun, set it down on a table, and make it kill someone, it NEEDS the human element to kill. If you take guns from people the violent ones will always find another way to do their dirty deed. I respect our Canadian friends points of view, it would be nice if they could respect ours. Anyone that thinks taking away Americans right to bear arms away will help things is just plain crazy. Just look at England, the criminals can still get guns, its not like they are worried weather or not they get them legally or anything. If you make them illegal here, what makes you think the criminals will care?? Thats why they call them criminals....Takes no brains to figure that one out!! I run a resturant in a bad town. All my employee's know I carry, and I have never had a problem. Because they know I will use it. Now, all around me places have been robbed, doesn't take a genious to figure out why...What I think should happen is that all people be required to be trained PROPERLY to use and carry a firearm, and have a mental evaluation and licensed to carry just like we have drivers licenses. Think about it, a car can kill many people too, especially if your drunk, does that mean we need to ban alcohol?? We tried that once in this country, and it didn't work then, and taking guns away wouldn't work now.

 

[knighteclipse1]

Take the blinders off and read my post again. There a couple key words in there you obviously missed. Or you just cant read.

And i dont drive my car fast on the street. Thats why I go to the track and have a daily driver thats easy on gas.

And this is why I go to the range and compete, just like you go to the drag strip to compete. I also modify my weapons just like you modify you car. See the similarities now?