The Official "What's this DSM worth?" Thread

[dropt4]

Ya its priced far too high. Not to mention the RS is the lowest trim level. Although these cars do get great gas mileage. I use it as my DD and I get between 30-33 mpg all of the time. I haven't had a single problem with it starting, even in the coldest of whether. I would say the only other car I have owned that gets this good of mpg and is as reliable was my old saturn.



Just a little insight because of all the people dogging on the 420a. Think of it this way:

GST: FWD, 4 cyl, beefy pistons/rods GS/RS:FWD, 4 cyl, weaker pistons/rods

I'm sorry to tell you but a built Gs/RS has essientially the same potential as a GST. They would both be nothing more than turbo FWD cars... The main benefit of getting a turbo dsm would be with the gsx because of awd. It may cost you a little more $$ to turbo a 420a than to buy a stock turbo car, but in the end the GST and the 420a have the same potential.

**Flame Suit On**

Except for the fact that is you want good HP numbers out of a 420a you have to completely redo the bottom end.. The 4g63 is good up to about 425hp on the stock block.. So I do not see how they have the same potential.. The 420a is good for a gas saver and nothing else..

 

[jclarknh]

cool, what would be a fair price on one in good conditions with low miles?

 

[dropt4]

The RS model does not come with the side skirts, so it looks a little wierd in that aspect, but if you got some color matched skirts it would look great.. They just look so funny without them IMHO..

 

[dropt4]

cool, what would be a fair price on one in good conditions with low miles?

For an RS I would not pay over like $3500-4000 if it was in great condition.. That is a high price too.. Did his sticker price say $6k? If so I am sure you can talk him down to like $4k or so.. Look at the NADA on it with the mileage and see what the value it is..

 

[1stGenTSi]

You can definitely find a nice 2g AWD for $6k. Or a bad@ss 1g AWD.

 

[Locke]

Except for the fact that is you want good HP numbers out of a 420a you have to completely redo the bottom end.. The 4g63 is good up to about 425hp on the stock block.. So I do not see how they have the same potential.. The 420a is good for a gas saver and nothing else..

99RedGs has already mentioned that the bottom end of the 420a was weaker than the 4g63 - much weaker. He is absolutely correct about the potential part, as well. You understand potential, yes? Once built, it has the same potential as a built 4g63.

I wouldn't pay $6000 for it, though.

 

[wishgst]

GST: FWD, 4 cyl, beefy pistons/rods GS/RS:FWD, 4 cyl, weaker pistons/rods

I'm sorry to tell you but a built Gs/RS has essientially the same potential as a GST. They would both be nothing more than turbo FWD cars... The main benefit of getting a turbo dsm would be with the gsx because of awd. It may cost you a little more $$ to turbo a 420a than to buy a stock turbo car, but in the end the GST and the 420a have the same potential.

not true. have you ever thought that there's a reason to giving the gst nicer rods and pistons? ive heard so many stories of people trying to turbo their nt gs/rs and you jus endup with problems.. mainly because the platforms of the nt models cant sustain the turbos people are throwin on them.

and gsx is not the main benefit of getting a turbod dsm. awd could benefit you greatly if your the kinda person who wants to drive their turbo dsm all year round but the added weight of around 300lbs and the whp you lose in going awd is significant.

 

[CRAIG___]

I say get a gs /rs if u want gas and they are not slow as hell they are actually kinda quick i had one that would runa 10 in 1/8 not fast but quick enough for Hondas i also have a gst and the rs was more relieable but the gst is modded but u can find a individiual person and get on way cheaper just my .02

 

[JusMX141]

You understand potential, yes? Once built, it has the same potential as a built 4g63.

I think you meant "Once built, it has the same potential as a stock 4G63."

You 420A guys.... You're too much.

 

[Locke]

Ignorance is funny.

 

[99RedGs]

I think you meant "Once built, it has the same potential as a stock 4G63."

You 420A guys.... You're too much.

Why is it that the 4g people don't understand that the 4g is basically a 4 cyl with "forged internals". Hmm what would you get if you put forged internals into a 420a? OH, a 4 cyl with forged internals. The only difference is that the 4g comes with them from the factory. Honestly I run into more ignorant 4g63 owners than I do bimmer owners on my other forum. The best part is half of the people that talk about how bad the 420a is and how great the 4g is are barely running over stock power in there car.


The GS is my dd like I said. My e46 is my tuner car so don't act like this is the only car I have and need to defend it to make myself feel better. Its just that I can't stand ignorant people.

 

[easy]

i use to have a gtp, great car and a strong motor. i picked up my 99gsx for 7k with minimal mods on it. 6k for a rs is hella high. btw, coming from a gtp going to a 420a, that might end up driving you crazy, it is going to be a significant decrease in power, even for a dd. even if you get a 4g63, the gas milage, especially the city milage, is going to be a lot better than the l67 you have now...

 

[JusMX141]

Why is it that the 4g people don't understand that the 4g is basically a 4 cyl with "forged internals". Hmm what would you get if you put forged internals into a 420a? OH, a 4 cyl with forged internals.

....you'd get a 4cyl with forged internals and the same oiling problem that plagues other Chrysler engines such as the 2.7 V6.

I also own a 420A as my daily driver, as stated above...hence the reason I would never build one. I also own two 4G63-powered cars.

I have nothing against 420A's; as I said my GS been the best car I've owned to date as far as reliability is concerned, however I don't feel they're comparable to a 4G63 in terms of power and reliability while making said power.

If what you're telling me is true (all 4-cylinder cars with forged internals being of equal performance) then I suppose Shep's next car will be a 420A-powered 2G?

 

[eder-loco]

I got my 2g GST bone stock.
2000$ off the lot, saleman said turbo was about to go out. Nothing went out. only the clutch about 6 months after i got it.

 

[Bubbs Malone]

420A bashing aside, check the forums for good upgrade info. I think the price is high, but my interior is shot. So it's all perspective, I guess.

 

[mitsumikey]

Haha here in canada they try selling them for that much....
but in US that is rediculous
My GSX was 10 500 before taxes and echange , but im happy, She is CLEAN!!!

 

[motox-010]

Here is an ad posted on my local car forum. I really want to get into DSM's and the only thing I may need to take it to the shop for is the synchros.

Im selling my 1993 Eagle Talon TSI Awd Turbo. I bought it about 7 months ago. I personally have not done much to the car itself, but the previous owner dropped a new engine in it at 80000 miles and the engine itself has less then 60k miles on it. The odometer says 124k miles on it.

Im going to be completely honest with this car:
The clutch is starting to slip (I have a clutch in the back seat, just need to install it).
A synchro in the transmission has gone bad and once in a while it pops out of first into nuetral.
As you can see a part of the body kit was ripped off.
The back window is smashed (some idiot, long story...) but at rapid import salvage they are selling a whole hatchback to a 93 eclipse for 100$.


It really runs great, has no problem starting up, AC works perfectly, It could take you to denver and back no problem.

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I probly should have washed the car before I took pictures but there are not many scratches, there is a small dent in the drivers side door (as you can see) and alot of the other marks are just dust/dirt ### I need to wash it.

Im selling for 1500$. Im only selling because I don't have the time or the know how to take care of a dsm.


Update on my 1G quest-
The clutch is almost totally toast. I think I may have to put the one that he has in before I drive it home. It is THAT bad. 1st gear does pop out. But I only experienced it when I was going back and forth between reverse trying to get turned around at a dead end. The turbo spooled fine from what I could hear and saw on the gauge (dunno how accurate that is) and it did not sputter nor have any weird idle.

My friend has a 1GA that he replaced the trans in with a Stage 2, and will sell the stock for $100. I can get glass for cheap. The only thing wrong wheel/tire/suspension wise is it looks like it was curb checked on the driver rear wheel. I found next to no rust. Although a bit of surface, which can be expected for a car driven in winter were they salt roads. But nothing rusted through. I couldn't get a good feel for how it really pulled through the rpm range since the clutch slips. I didn't get a chance to check oil, and turbo shaft play since he drove it to meet me (note to self meet him so he won't drive).

There were no odd creaks or groans while I was driving.

One thing of not was that when I got into 3rd gear, took it out, then put it back in again it grinded. Is this a sign of a worn clutch also?

Also, it was repained red to black, and whoever did it did a nice job save for some trim pieces that were a bit over masked so there is some red showing. Fixable. And there is a small run on the clearence bump.

 

[96mitsugsx]

Go to RRE's website. They have articles there about crankwalk. Also go to VFAQ. Try reading the articles. You'll learn a lot.

 

[interex]

I bought my 96 TSI AWD for $450 just outside of St Louis a while back... It had a blown engine, but a spare 6 bolt with transmission attatched. I sold the engine for just under $600, the tranny for $400, and several parts off my stock blown engine and turned around and bought a full stroker engine.

 

[Boss359]

I was just driving about town today, and I found an eclipse for sale... Just looking at the shape the car was in and the year it was... I THINK this might be a good deal.

1999 Eclipse O.Z. Edition... w/e that means... $2,100.00... 66K miles... Sunroof, cool black rims... BUT.. valve cover gasket leak... All of 30 mins to fix... Assuming there are zero internal problems, would this car be a good deal?

Some of u may recall from my last thread my broken toy >.< I would be buying this one to replace the 1993 1.8L... But honestly, I know very little about this car. I spoke with the owner for about 5 mins, and got a phone number off the back windshield.

What else I would like to know is which engine and drive type is it? And roughly how big would this car be on maintenance... IE... Does it have a limited edition sound system that will be breaking if it hasnt already, etc.

Thanks in advance ^^

 

[interex]

The "OZ Edition" is the 10th Anniversary Edition of the Eclipse. I really dunno what difference there is between it and the standard edition. Maybe it's just branded with OZ all over it... :/

 

[kwbunn]

The O.Z. Edition is basically a loaded Eclipse GS with special fitiment O.Z. wheels. Being a GS, it doesn't have a turbo 46G3 in it, rather the N/T 420A. That should factor into your decision on whether to buy the car or not, if that's important to you.

I'm not the guy to get into a turbo vs. N/T discussion- they're dfferent types of cars for different types of people. It's a reasonable price, I think, not knowing what else is wrong with the car. But if it fits your needs- get it.

 

[GSpikeX]

It sounds solid to me, like any other dsm you gotta have time to work on it. And the oz just means its the 10 year nothing else special

 

[MIenKEi446]

The price is definatly reasonable enough, especially with such low miles. Try and look into it for further problems and upon test drive make sure theres nothing wrong as far as transmission goes, thats a common problem with most DSMs.

 

[webconnect]

I used to have an oz-rally ed. Here is what IS Special with this car:

1. Black leather interior
2. White face gauges
3. Kick ass sound system. (Although nothing special like bose or anything)
4. Power everything.

IN short, it is a gsx package without the 4g63 or awd.

Personally, If I had to pick a non turbo dsm to drive, it would be a 99 gs oz-rally edition.
Yes, that is a good deal if nothing else is wrong. Great gas saver, very reliable, and pretty fun to drive.