The Official "What's this DSM worth?" Thread

[BOC Jason]

That's doesn't sound too bad. I'd go for a ride with him and make sure the tranny runs smooth and everything sounds (acts) as should be. Then i'd take $6,200 in cash. And if not then... rip out a check for $300 .

 

[smoothcustomer]

Here's what I am looking at I don't know why so cheap should I be skeptical?

Cars For Sale: Car Details - AutoTrader.com

 

[gotclutch20]

Here's what I am looking at I don't know why so cheap should I be skeptical?

Cars For Sale: Car Details - AutoTrader.com

that seems like a pretty good deal, check the whole car over make sure it runs and shifts fine,make sure it doent overheat. See if he has a salvage tittle or if its ever been crashed before. other than that shoot a low offer and see where it goes you can always save acouple hundred bucks

 

[smoothcustomer]

Yeah that's what I was thinking I would be really disappointed if I went to look and it was crap because it is like 2 hours away

 

[BOC Jason]

Becareful though. I saw an ad just like that on Autotrader for a Black GSX cheap and it seemed to good to be true. and Sure enough..it was. I called the guy and he said the car was in NY and he would ship it to me and all this stuff (he could barley speak english) and he wanted my money and stuff. So i reported him to the website and never talked to him again. He practically begged me.

 

[natertater]

hello dsm'ers!! i have a question. if you could buy the car listed above for 1000 dollars, would you? it has a bigger turbo, 18's with 40-low pro coopers, 2100lb clutch, audio goodies, pretty fast but ONE little PROBLEM....crank walk killed it. i have been looking everywhere for what fits with what and what could mount to who. my buddy told me to just get a 6 bolt short block from buschur or shops in SoCal, then i would have to change out the already super nice light weight 7 bolt flywheel for a 6 bolt... i dont mind, im trying to do this as cheap as possible, as i already have to ship to san dog for 1k on top of towing from/to DAS shipping peoples. but would you buy it? charcoal grey, stock spoiler, some ups including boost controller or what not. there are tons of parts, and i havent even seen the car or have a full parts list. he drove from wv to west florida ok, but it died here. forever

also, whould 400-450hp be easy to obtain if i staid with stock 1g 2.0 with stock cams, or would i have to go with crazy boost and 550cc injectors? or would a 2.3 stroker (1g block with 1 or 2g 7bolt 4g64 crank) would be better? not a daily driver, more of a fun weekend car. and would it be street legal in CA.

 

[dsmpat95]

The rebuild is up to you. A decent rebuild you can do yourself will cost around $2500 with upgraded parts. You aslo can do it cheaper buy just replacing the bad parts. It will oly be worth it to whom will want to fix it.

 

[Rob10_99]

I've heard CA is pretty strict, at least LA area is.
As far as the car goes, $1k for a decent shell is a good price, and its a 95, so that REALLY helps with emmisions and your smog nazi LA area.
Follow the tech articles if you are new to DSM's, its pretty much the way to go.

 

[allwheeldrizive]

also, whould 400-450hp be easy to obtain if i staid with stock 1g 2.0 with stock cams, or would i have to go with crazy boost and 550cc injectors? or would a 2.3 stroker (1g block with 1 or 2g 7bolt 4g64 crank) would be better? not a daily driver, more of a fun weekend car. and would it be street legal in CA.

wow, thats not a very good question to ask without researching First.

A stock 6 bolt could support that kind of HP, (and yes 6 bolts are better than 7's) but cams would really help. Not to mention you would definately need bigger than 550cc injectors.. Pretty much to get that kind of numbers Its mostly gonna come from 3 things. Turbo set up, Fuel system, and most importantly a great tune.

 

[winterftbl]

Well if the motor is the only problem then I would say go for it. DOes not seem to bad of a price. But if you plan on a shop doing all the work I would say hold off until you get a good running car. Oh and a 6bolt can hold 400hp-500hp. But there are alot of other things you need besides a motor, you should keep that in mind as well.

 

[allwheeldrizive]

Well if the motor is the only problem then I would say go for it. DOes not seem to bad of a price. But if you plan on a shop doing all the work I would say hold off until you get a good running car. Oh and a 6bolt can hold 400hp-500hp. But there are alot of other things you need besides a motor, you should keep that in mind as well.

Yea that is very true, If you cant do the swap yourself or with the help of friends and family then your gonna get into a large amount of money If you have a shop do it. And the thing about dsm's is doing all the work yourself and or with the help of friends. Thats what makes it fun.
Also Its always a better idea to start with something already driveable, atleast thats always been my way of doing things. But a 1000 dollars for a gsx with a bad motor and a bad deal.

 

[natertater]

well, i thought this too. but im going to be in san diego area, not la...its about 3 or so hours away, so i hope its not too bad. anyone in this region use road race engineering? based out of san dog and is very nice from what my buddy (who owns the car, had a nice built 1g there before he joined the navy and told me about them) who says to only trust them and the other shop he went to, but they closed and the guy moved to new york. so, would anyone use a slowboys new crank stroker kit (7 bolt 4g64) with standard pistons but higher pin heighth for proper deck clearance? i have also heard that these 2g blocks are plagued with poor oiling issues. is this true? or is it hit or miss? i know there are millions of reasons for cranks to walk, but this is pretty common in 2g 7bolt. i should read on that more about stickin a 1g motor into the 2g body.

oh, he also said it comes with an obd/obd2 to pda cable so the ecu (which is socketed, just no extra chip) to monitor fuel/air/timing and log, then upload to a computer and you can manipulate your data, reflash teh chip, and tune that way. but hey, i was just seeing that the car is worth and easy 4500, he owes 2500, and wants to get rid of it for 1k. trying to "seize the moment"

oh and you buggahs are fast at posting after someone starts a thread!!!

 

[allwheeldrizive]

i know there are millions of reasons for cranks to walk, but this is pretty common in 2g 7bolt!!!

Why dont you share them with the rest of the dsm community then? .

So far they have never been able to figure the specific reason why it happens to 7 bolts.

crank walk is so over rated.

 

[97 4G63]

Crank walk is crank walk..
If the body is good i would say go for it i would sell my gst just to get my hands on a AWD 2g over where i live..

 

[dsm_Prince]

Why dont you share them with the rest of the dsm community then? .

So far they have never been able to figure the specific reason why it happens to 7 bolts.

crank walk is so over rated.

Yea crankwalk is always in my head while i drive. Everyday i thank god that my car hasn't crankwalked.

 

[97 4G63]

Yea crankwalk is always in my head while i drive. Everyday i thank god that my car hasn't crankwalked.

Oh it will i sayd the same thing...

 

[BoostFrenzy]

1) Bad deal unless you know what you are getting into. DSMs are getting older everyday. So the older they get, the more problems they will have. So you can buy it. But if you plan on having someone else or a shop do everything to get it running, I hope you have a tree that grows money. BUT, if you know what you are doing then it would be a good investment as long as the drivetrain is in good shape along with the electrical.

2) Grammar is big here on this forum. It helps us help you. So help us by using proper grammar. Read all about it here

3) As far as SMOG in California, it isn't too hard to get away with things as long as you don't drive like a complete retard, have huge flashy things all over the place, and basically own a hunk of junk. Other then that, good luck. Right now the SD area is one of the hardest places on illegal cars and California as a whole is planning on getting really strict.

anyone in this region use road race engineering? based out of san dog

They are actually based out of Santa Fe Springs. A lot of people is SoCal and NorCal use them as well as many tuners across the states. I do recommend them as a DSM shop, but if you have no clue what you are talking about they won't want to deal with you that much. They'll answer questions, but if you call them and ask them about every little thing in the world or a "I just got my car, I want it fast" calls, they will not want to do that over the phone. It will take way too long.

Best advice, just RESEARCH! Research EVERYTHING!!!

 

[fatherbubble]

Great deal an RRE is cool talk to Sam tell him Chris sent you. He will hook you up. I bought all my stuff from them. Also an engine if you want a good 6bolt swap Showdown Motorsports has one. I got a great deal on my swap for a really cheap price so cheap I cant say. I will tell you this they set me up with a full 1G engine. Including intake throttle body powder coating everything. The engine can support 700HP. You will not find a cheaper person that does a great job. Just look at my mods untuned right now with no methanol hooked up its producing XXX HP. Cant wait for the finished tune tomorrow an the injection installed. Haha I forgot I'm making a sleeper car,.

 

[natertater]

So if I went with a 6bolt motor, 1G or 2G, I would need to change the flywheel. I guess 250 bucks is much better than another 2 thousand dollars, right? PRE huh? Maybe I will just wait until I get to San Diego. I just need to get it gone on its way in under a week. I am not some stupid kid who "wants to make it faster, yeah yeah!" I do have a grasp on internal combustion engines, preferably Chrysler big or small blocks, but this has NOTHING to do with engines. I know that poor oiling issues, bad manufacturing techniques with block machining in the factory can lead to premature crank walk and bearing failure. It is just strange that it could be one of the listed in one car, and the other issue in the next. I do agree that when someone rebuilds an engine that they could improperly assemble or under lubricate bearing surfaces and cause failure again; then blame the crank walk issue . I am really considering this vehicle and I am here for help and guidance, not satire. I know you guys are awesome, and have been playing with these turbo cars for a long time; possibly tired of children asking for what to buy with no concern of price to do. I want to shoot for 400 HP or so, and I know it can be obtained with a pretty much stock 4g63 6 bolt. I should just order a 6bolt short block and replace flywheel,which will allow me to inspect the clutch while I'm at it. Is that good enough grammar for you?

 

[BoostFrenzy]

I am not some stupid kid who "wants to make it faster, yeah yeah!"...

I am really considering this vehicle and I am here for help and guidance, not satire...

Is that good enough grammar for you?

Haha, don't get mad at me man. For the grammar, if it wasn't me, it would have been someone else like a MOD. As for RRE, that's the way it is. If you read their Website it will say basically the exact same thing.

So if I went with a 6bolt motor, 1G or 2G, I would need to change the flywheel.

Well, the 6 bolt motor (which means the number of bolts on the flywheel) only came in the 1G DSMs (which includes the GVR4). So if it is a 7 bolt that is going to be swapped to a 6 bolt then yes you would need a new flywheel. But, in doing this swap from a 7 bolt engine to a 6 bolt engine, there is also a few other things that need to be changed. Read through this for a better answer

 

[natertater]

good info, i think i will look for a used engine then. just get it streetable before i go all nuts with a stroker or race ready motor. or maybe just not buy it, and go look for a 1g out in california. i prefer the 1g body anyways.

 

[swarm]

What is this car worth? '96 TSi AWD, 5spd, 120k miles. Mods as pictured. I don't know everything about it. 6bolt, dsmlink, eagle rods, ross pistons, knife edged crank, 60-1 turbo, magnus race mani, fmic, exhaust, etc... Index of /media/race

 

[syrushcw]

This seems like it would fit in the hangout section but it's "DSM-Related" So i'm going to put it here. I got a great offer on an Evo IX and I think I'm going to part with my dsm its and Incomplete project but I was wondering what you guys think the engine is worth. Here are the specs
Blue printed
Rod + main bearings -std- clevite
Balance shaft removal kit
ARP main stud
Hot tanked
New freeze $plugs
honed with torque plate
resurface block
polish and knife edge crankshaft
balanced with ACT 2600 clutch
new bronze valve guides
new intake valve seats
new valve keepers
cometic 3 layer head gasket
bored intake and exhaust 1mm over-
gasket match port & polish
resurface head
radial valve angle job
Fidanza Cam gears
BC stage 4 cams
BC retainer kit w. 1mm over valves
1000cc dephi fuel injectors
Crower connecting rods
Greedy kevlar timing belt
JMF SMIM
75mm BBK TB
Jay racing alt relocation kit
I believe that is it, I spent 3k alone on machine work not including parts I'm going to cry seeing this engine go, What do you think a reasonable asking price is?

 

[clipse4u2c]

well I'll give you 1,000! j/k that thing is super nice... i would say the throttle body and smim are worth around 600 probably. What type of pistons did you use? I think you could ###### get 1500-2000 for the short block. Do you have water pump, oil pump ect.? The head I have no idea!

 

[syrushcw]

well I'll give you 1,000! j/k that thing is super nice... i would say the throttle body and smim are worth around 600 probably. What type of pistons did you use? I think you could ###### get 1500-2000 for the short block. Do you have water pump, oil pump ect.? The head I have no idea!

Its all together has water pump etc timing is done the only thing it dosn't have is a turbo/header.Wiseco pistons 8.5:1 and a new 100mm eagle crank