T25 Gsx vs. 2011 camaro SS

[cgbuter1]

I see FAIL written all over this race !!!

 

[bradikus7]

I pulled out a 13.9x at 95mph with my old T25 around 18psi. If she can drive, I think you'll lose. If your as experienced as you think at the track you have a good chance. Please, please, please take a video.

 

[Boosted DSM 32]

Our track is getting repaved and should be done within a week or so, im a friday night test and tune junkie im there everyweek but for what your paying for that camaro honestly it should be faster than what it is atleast i think, but i will agree its so smooth you really cant tell your accelerating fast

 

[Ozone302]

Camaro will win no doubt.

 

[Boosted DSM 32]

Camaro will win no doubt.

Why do you say so? the camaro like everyone stated runs a 13.1 with a professional driver and by no means is my mom a pro driver i repeatedly beat on my car and redline it all day everyday and launch it all the time, awd is much more consistent on the track and i would say easier to launch, i highly doubt my mom has ever hit 100 in the camaro thats a usual thing for me on a daily basis... What im trying to get at is i know my car inside and out and what it can do, my mom really just cruises in that thing and has never had it to the track it wouldnt suprise me if she runs a 15 in it just because of inexpierience and she launches poorly, i expect to go there and throw down a solid time my first time back down this year i think if anything its gonna be a balls out race just because of expierience

 

[Ozone302]

Oh well then yeah you'll probably win. But if she can drive she would win

 

[2gtalontd]

I recently went to the IFO last March with lots of SRT Chargers, Challengers, and 1 300c but none of them could even break into the 13's. Even the total of 2 or so SS Camero's couldn't get a 13 time so assuming your mom isn't a professional driver I say you have a chance

 

[TopGun8818]

Sorry bro, but the SS is gonna beat you. Even if your mom isn't a great driver and so fourth - she still has almost double the hp you have. It's true that the driver makes all the difference and the 13 second time is a professional driver. However, since she has such a high hp advantage over you she can peform a weak launch and granny shift the car and still get a win IMO.

 

[liljaywizzle85]

Show her who's boss, and don't let us down, ...

 

[empie1]

Unless your mom is a terrible terrible driver your not going to win. Stock dsms are by no means fast, snappy and fun in mid range but sluggish on top end. Not sure why you decided to modify your fuel with a stock turbo setup. If you don't have a tune it's most likely running like ass. I enjoy reading these bench racing threads. It's always young kids that just get a Dsm and think its the fastest thing out there . Dude if your serious about this just wait till the car is maintained and modded right. Otherwise your mothers 30 years of driving experience AND faster car will embaress you.

i repeatedly beat on my car and redline it all day everyday and launch it all the time, awd is much more consistent on the track

This is why dsms are beat. News flash....your stock 17 year old car with 150000 miles is not ment to be redlined every day. And were are you getting the idea that rwd isn't consistent? Lol. Dude do you realize most of the fastest drag cars are rwd? Wow.

 

[EclipseOwner95]

IMO you mom should destroy you no problem, even if she just rolls it out of the hole easily and gets on it in 2nd she'll make up the ground. T25 = Junk, and you probably won't even trap 100mph, even a horribly driven SS Camaro should put up high 13's @ over 100.

 

[11Banger]

Just get it on video... never seen a mother/son heads up

 

[Boosted DSM 32]

Unless your mom is a terrible terrible driver your not going to win. Stock dsms are by no means fast, snappy and fun in mid range but sluggish on top end. Not sure why you decided to modify your fuel with a stock turbo setup. If you don't have a tune it's most likely running like ass. I enjoy reading these bench racing threads. It's always young kids that just get a Dsm and think its the fastest thing out there . Dude if your serious about this just wait till the car is maintained and modded right. Otherwise your mothers 30 years of driving experience AND faster car will embaress you.




This is why dsms are beat. News flash....your stock 17 year old car with 150000 miles is not ment to be redlined every day. And were are you getting the idea that rwd isn't consistent? Lol. Dude do you realize most of the fastest drag cars are rwd? Wow.

Car has 57,000 on it buddy and as soon as i got my car i changed the oil, new timing belt, new tranny fluid, all new breaks, new master and slave, new head gasket, new alternator do you want me to keep going with the stuff i replaced when i bought it? and as for modding the fuel with the t25, its called AN UPGRADE PATH im doing my fuel system and tune first then going for the bigger turbo setup.. why would i put a bigger turbo on the stock fuel system? it would be pointless and the car would be slower than it is now and as for not being fast stock, obviously i know that everyone of my dsm friends car is atleast a mid 11 second car so i know what fast is, im 19 go to college full time and dont have all the money in the world to blow on my car at once so im slowly upgrading it, and theres no doubt about it that an awd street car is much easier to get a consistent time on the track than rwd or fwd.. and as for getting killed i wouldnt say losing by 1 second on the track is "embarrasing"

 

[EclipseOwner95]

Car has 57,000 on it buddy and as soon as i got my car i changed the oil, new timing belt, new tranny fluid, all new breaks, new master and slave, new head gasket, new alternator do you want me to keep going with the stuff i replaced when i bought it? and as for modding the fuel with the t25, its called AN UPGRADE PATH im doing my fuel system and tune first then going for the bigger turbo setup.. why would i put a bigger turbo on the stock fuel system? it would be pointless and the car would be slower than it is now and as for not being fast stock, obviously i know that everyone of my dsm friends car is atleast a mid 11 second car so i know what fast is, im 19 go to college full time and dont have all the money in the world to blow on my car at once so im slowly upgrading it, and theres no doubt about it that an awd street car is much easier to get a consistent time on the track than rwd or fwd.. and as for getting killed i wouldnt say losing by 1 second on the track is "embarrasing"

Actually just slapping a 14b/16g on a completely stock car would net you a ton of power over a T25. So your comment about upgrading the T25 would be " pointless " couldn't be more wrong.

Your friends having fast cars means nothing.

Actually launching an AWD car is much more difficult than launching a FWD or RWD car.

Losing by a whole second on the track is embarrassing when your original post states that you say your faster, and are going to win, so losing by an ENTIRE second in a 1/4 mile race, is a pretty big gap. If you only lost by a few 1/10ths then that would be less embarrassing, but either way, you came out saying that you told her that you were going to win, which makes any loss, an embarrassment.

 

[rommel rojasgsx]

Its gona be like when you were 5 all over again. You gona try to run from her, shes gona run your ass down and spank you. But cool mom tho. Mine wont even get in my car.

 

[1MeanTSI]

Sounds like my dad in his 76 Z28 haha. I think if she really doesn't have any experience on the track then you stand a fighting chance. It should be a pretty good race but hope to GOD she gets a squirrely launch. Thats the only way your going to win...

 

[shampoo]

Isn't she running regular street tires?

I think you have a fighting chance, so long as you launch the hell out of that sucker and kill her out of the hole.

Man this is really great though, being able to have this type of competition with family. Haha, how many people can say that?

 

[brianb1222]

Ss camaros are not that fast. i beat them all the time by a second or more in the 1/8th mile in my stock turbo sti

 

[EclipseOwner95]

Ss camaros are not that fast. i beat them all the time by a second or more in the 1/8th mile in my stock turbo sti

Yeah, guess what, a bone stock STI would DESTROY a T25 GSX as well, so your not breaking any records there.

STI's can do 12's bone stock with a capable driver, so again, no kidding you can beat them, especially in the 1/8th, and your modded.

His GSX might stand a chance in the 1/8th, but on the top end, not a chance.

 

[brianb1222]

Sorry i didn't know. i have never driven one. my tsi is totally stock and i thought a newer gsx would faster. sorry

 

[empie1]

Car has 57,000 on it buddy and as soon as i got my car i changed the oil, new timing belt, new tranny fluid, all new breaks, new master and slave, new head gasket, new alternator do you want me to keep going with the stuff i replaced when i bought it? and as for modding the fuel with the t25, its called AN UPGRADE PATH im doing my fuel system and tune first then going for the bigger turbo setup.. why would i put a bigger turbo on the stock fuel system? it would be pointless and the car would be slower than it is now and as for not being fast stock, obviously i know that everyone of my dsm friends car is atleast a mid 11 second car so i know what fast is, im 19 go to college full time and dont have all the money in the world to blow on my car at once so im slowly upgrading it, and theres no doubt about it that an awd street car is much easier to get a consistent time on the track than rwd or fwd.. and as for getting killed i wouldnt say losing by 1 second on the track is "embarrasing"

Kid I've been in the Dsm scene since you were 7. Don't act like a know it all and try to school me on "upgrade paths" cause clearly you have no clue what you are saying. Slowly buying upgrades is smart. But you installing a upgrade fuel system on a otherwise stock car is not improving anything. In fact it's a down grade since you would have to tune just so it doesn't run rich. Your t-25 will not out flow a stock re wired pump. Your not pushing anywhere near enough air to need more fuel, therefore your setup is counter productive. Save the fuel mods for the new turbo.
Second, congrats on a 57000 mile Dsm. If it is in fact original miles hang on to the car. But again, you are showing signs of being a inexperience teenager. Your stock valve train is not designed to with stand 8k pulls on a daily basis. Your stock drivetrain is not ment for 6k launches. I can't wait to read your thread about floating a valve or when your transfer case takes a dump on you randomly. Its so predictable. I've seen so many kids like you on here over the years. Finally get a Dsm. Think it's a street race car out of the box and beat the shit out of it. Cry when it breaks cause you spent all your money "modding it" and barely touching mAintence. Then you figure out how much it really costs to build the car, get frustrated than sell your beat pos for the next guy to deal with. Thus the circle of Dsm life. You are going about literally everything wrong. I'd advise you to do REAL mAintence first. A timing belt and head gasket change does not make your 17 year old car capable of with standing the abuse your putting on it. Especially when you finally put on a bigger turbo and crank up the boost. I get it. It's exciting to get into these cars. But at least be smart about it. Research and do things right the first time. The car isnt fast. Your moms is faster. End of story. Go have your fun at the track with your 15 sec car trapping 97 mph.
Oh and you still are off on the awd vs rwd debate. Evidently you dot understandable physics behind rwd.

 

[Pipnorcali]

Any pics of your mom...

 

[H@xtGSX]

I have done a 1/2 mile (roughly... not sure exactly the distance) against a stock Camaro SS at an old 6000' air strip we use as a drag strip here. It's not marked, there's no time recording, no start lights, and we use basic features near the track as finish lines, so I can't relay the technicalities of the match up... but this is what I saw. With my current 2g GSX with a 14b tuned very aggressively and pushing 21 psi spikes, I beat it off the line and stayed out front for a good ways. As stated by someone earlier though, at about 1/4 mile we evened out (I would guess around 13's), and then that car dusted me. Once it hits it's sweet spot in the RPMs, it'll pull harder at speed. I was choking the hell out of my turbo just trying to not get completely spanked, and I still lost by a few lengths.

If Mom knows how to drive it, even just basically, when she stomps on it, you're gonna have a real hard time staying out front for more than a few seconds.

 

[thecman02]

With the Camaro's traction control even if she doesn't know how to get off the line hard she should still break 13's at about 110. The thing about a car like that is you aren't getting punished as bad by shifting slow as you are with something that is turbo'd. You don't have to worry about dropping out of boost between shifts and even when you bog it off the line you can ride the torque off the line and still not completely have a wasted run.

 

[Boosted DSM 32]

Kid I've been in the Dsm scene since you were 7. Don't act like a know it all and try to school me on "upgrade paths" cause clearly you have no clue what you are saying. Slowly buying upgrades is smart. But you installing a upgrade fuel system on a otherwise stock car is not improving anything. In fact it's a down grade since you would have to tune just so it doesn't run rich. Your t-25 will not out flow a stock re wired pump. Your not pushing anywhere near enough air to need more fuel, therefore your setup is counter productive. Save the fuel mods for the new turbo.
Second, congrats on a 57000 mile Dsm. If it is in fact original miles hang on to the car. But again, you are showing signs of being a inexperience teenager. Your stock valve train is not designed to with stand 8k pulls on a daily basis. Your stock drivetrain is not ment for 6k launches. I can't wait to read your thread about floating a valve or when your transfer case takes a dump on you randomly. Its so predictable. I've seen so many kids like you on here over the years. Finally get a Dsm. Think it's a street race car out of the box and beat the shit out of it. Cry when it breaks cause you spent all your money "modding it" and barely touching mAintence. Then you figure out how much it really costs to build the car, get frustrated than sell your beat pos for the next guy to deal with. Thus the circle of Dsm life. You are going about literally everything wrong. I'd advise you to do REAL mAintence first. A timing belt and head gasket change does not make your 17 year old car capable of with standing the abuse your putting on it. Especially when you finally put on a bigger turbo and crank up the boost. I get it. It's exciting to get into these cars. But at least be smart about it. Research and do things right the first time. The car isnt fast. Your moms is faster. End of story. Go have your fun at the track with your 15 sec car trapping 97 mph.
Oh and you still are off on the awd vs rwd debate. Evidently you dot understandable physics behind rwd.

What else would you want me to replace maitenence wise? and i never said that im going to beat her i just said i dont think im going to get killed, and no i dont think my car is fast at all trust me if someone that doesnt know about these cars asks if its fast i always reply "no not now but very easily it can be" and i dont rev to 8k when im shifting about 6800 through first and second and 6 through 3rd on the 1/4 mile because the power falls off and i dont get why your getting on me about doing my fuel system first? I cant afford a bigger turbo setup yet, my friend has a 20g setup hell sell me for 300 bucks and as soon as i get out of school i can afford to buy it so i bought everything for the fuel system so i can have everything ready to go and make some major progress.. (no i dont have the injectors and fuel pump on with the t25 my car is completely stock running 13 psi) i dont get why your getting on me about this im just racing for fun and could care less if i win or lose i dont take things personal and just do everything for fun, last year in my gst i was running consistent 14.4 at 95 and was getting killed every single time i raced by new cars but i didnt care i was just having a good time and was practicing my launching to get better times...