super 20G TD06 turbo

[98cleo]

What upgrades to my eclipse gst should i do before installing this turbo i currently have a Megan Racing exhaust system an HKS SSQV BOV and OPTION Racing spark plug wires. Thanks

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

What super 20g? Is this an ebay turbo? The only Super 20g I am familiar with is the Hahn Race Craft Super 20g. If the one you are referring to is an ebay turbo, I recommend that you keep looking somewhere else.

You need a lot more then spark plug wires and a blowoff valve to properly use a 20g turbo. You NEED (at a minimum) a tuner/logger (I recommend dsmlink v3lite), a fuel pump (Walbro 190 or Walbro 255 and AFPR), and about 850 fuel injectors (depending on fuel/boost) if you are going to be using pump gas.

Hope this helps!

 

[yepes281]

you will need bigger injectors, bigger fuel pump, an afc, and a logger

and if its an ebay turbo you will need a trash can

 

[DSM Dai]

several reliable sources have been saying ebay turbos are fine including Maximum Boost(aka the boost bible)....the problems u have are seals possibly going out and small fitment issues like wrong banjo bolts, ect..... i am actually running an ebay 20g on my car now.... been running it for a year daily with no problems. definitely upgrade the clutch(assuming a 5 speed) and would be best to upgrade tuning. I run the Apexi safc 2 and neo on my 3 awd cars with out any problem. i am also running factory injectors and a factory pump. i have everything on the shelf to upgrade just dont see a need. and the usual ELIMINATE THE BALANCE SHAFTS!!!!! those things are junk

 

[DashLaflash]

Check out this link. Tech Guide: 2G 4G63t Upgrades - DSMtuners

 

[yepes281]

dont listen to these dicks..... several reliable sources have been saying ebay turbos are fine including Maximum Boost(aka the boost bible)....the problems u have is seals possibly going out and small fitment issues like wrong banjo bolts, ect..... i am actually running an ebay 20g on my car now.... been running it for a year daily with no problems. definitely upgrade the clutch(assuming a 5 speed) and would be best to upgrade tuning. I run the Apexi safc 2 and neo on my 3 awd cars with out any problem. i am also running factory injectors and a factory pump. i have everything on the shelf to upgrade just dont see a need. and the usual ELIMINATE THE BALANCE SHAFTS!!!!! those things are junk

Haha yea, coming from a guy with a body kit. And i bet you your turbo spools just as fast, and just as much as my MHI 20g
Ive had first hand experience with ebay turbos, they are junk. Alot of other people on this website have as well. You can get lucky with one every once in a while but taking a risk isnt worth it. Especially when you take all the time and money to put it on and it fails. And it will never make near as much power as a real 20g. Spend the extra cash on it and do it right the first time. I picked up my td06h 20g for $350. There are deals out there you just have to look.

 

[AK Maniak]

dont listen to these dicks..... several reliable sources have been saying ebay turbos are fine including Maximum Boost(aka the boost bible)....the problems u have is seals possibly going out and small fitment issues like wrong banjo bolts, ect..... i am actually running an ebay 20g on my car now.... been running it for a year daily with no problems. definitely upgrade the clutch(assuming a 5 speed) and would be best to upgrade tuning. I run the Apexi safc 2 and neo on my 3 awd cars with out any problem. i am also running factory injectors and a factory pump. i have everything on the shelf to upgrade just dont see a need. and the usual ELIMINATE THE BALANCE SHAFTS!!!!! those things are junk

Your a ####ing idiot. how much boost do you run on your ebay 20g because I guarantee you your not pushing the turbo, thats the only reason its lasted that long. And factory injectors and factory pump.... seriously. have fun hitting fuel cut.

 

[pj91gsx]

What super 20g? Is this an ebay turbo? The only Super 20g I am failure with is the Hahn Race Craft Super 20g but that has a 10 cm housing so it's not a TDO6. If it is an ebay turbo, I recommend that you keep looking somewhere else.

You need a lot more then spark plug wires and a blowoff valve to properly use a 20g turbo. You NEED (at a minimum) a tuner/logger (I recommend dsmlink v3lite), a fuel pump (Walbro 190 or Walbro 255 and AFPR), and about 850 fuel injectors (depending on fuel/boost) if you are going to be using pump gas.

Hope this helps!

Theres nothing wrong with the Hahn turbos. The ebay turbos dont even have a name brand! As for what you guys are saying, heres the down low. If you want to reach the full potential of a 20g you will need these things mentioned, but if you just want to piece of the potential, you can get away with it at lower boost levels. A wideband is really nice to have to see when your running too much boost on a certain turbo. 11.1 is a typical goal for air fuel ratio. around 10.3 is stock air fuel ratio at wide open throttle.

oh yea. and it is a to5h to5h turbo!!! it has a t3 10cm housing, but you can bolt on a 14b/16g/20g circular flowing housing.

 

[TSI from Hell]

dont listen to these dicks..... several reliable sources have been saying ebay turbos are fine including Maximum Boost(aka the boost bible)....the problems u have is seals possibly going out and small fitment issues like wrong banjo bolts, ect..... i am actually running an ebay 20g on my car now.... been running it for a year daily with no problems. definitely upgrade the clutch(assuming a 5 speed) and would be best to upgrade tuning. I run the Apexi safc 2 and neo on my 3 awd cars with out any problem. i am also running factory injectors and a factory pump. i have everything on the shelf to upgrade just dont see a need. and the usual ELIMINATE THE BALANCE SHAFTS!!!!! those things are junk

Dicks? Why? Because we don't want him to blow his engine? Sorry but I wouldn't take any advised from a guy who runs an ebay 20g, and says the only upgrade you need is a b/s delete and a clutch. WTF

OP, as said previously; you'll need an upgraded fuel pump and injectors, afrp and something to tune with, I also suggest v3. // You can listen to us and pay a bit more right now = less headache in the future, or you can go with DSM DAI and go cheap. Your call!

 

[DSM Dai]

hey, i agree with the headache later on, if you are running the car hard everyday. and i am just trying to help a guy out.... most of us arent made of money. And i am running 12 lbs on it. its my DAILY DRIVER. my toy is running 30 lbs of a hx35 on a full build so back off....again, just trying to help a guy out.

Your a ####ing idiot. how much boost do you run on your ebay 20g because I guarantee you your not pushing the turbo, thats the only reason its lasted that long. And factory injectors and factory pump.... seriously. have fun hitting fuel cut.

p.s. when i start pushing a turbo is when i upgrade to a bigger one. i run turbos at efficency. past that, no serious gains. efficency is key not boost pressure..... and im the "####ing idiot?"

 

[dsmdeliveryboy]

dont listen to these dicks..... several reliable sources have been saying ebay turbos are fine including Maximum Boost(aka the boost bible)....the problems u have is seals possibly going out and small fitment issues like wrong banjo bolts, ect..... i am actually running an ebay 20g on my car now.... been running it for a year daily with no problems. definitely upgrade the clutch(assuming a 5 speed) and would be best to upgrade tuning. I run the Apexi safc 2 and neo on my 3 awd cars with out any problem. i am also running factory injectors and a factory pump. i have everything on the shelf to upgrade just dont see a need. and the usual ELIMINATE THE BALANCE SHAFTS!!!!! those things are junk

You obviously know so much buddy...

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

Theres nothing wrong with the Hahn turbos. The ebay turbos dont even have a name brand! As for what you guys are saying, heres the down low. If you want to reach the full potential of a 20g you will need these things mentioned, but if you just want to piece of the potential, you can get away with it at lower boost levels. A wideband is really nice to have to see when your running too much boost on a certain turbo. 11.1 is a typical goal for air fuel ratio. around 10.3 is stock air fuel ratio at wide open throttle.

I didn't say that Hahn turbos were ebay turbos. I asked which he was referring to, Hahn or ebay and if he was referring to ebay, to keep looking. I corrected my first post regarding the exhaust housing.

hey, i agree with the headache later on, if you are running the car hard everyday. and i am just trying to help a guy out.... most of us arent made of money. And i am running 12 lbs on it. its my DAILY DRIVER. my toy is running 30 lbs of a hx35 on a full build so back off....again, just trying to help a guy out.



p.s. when i start pushing a turbo is when i upgrade to a bigger one. i run turbos at efficency. past that, no serious gains. efficency is key not boost pressure..... and im the "####ing idiot?"

You are running 12 psi on a 20g? Then the joke is on you because you would be better off with a 14b. 12 psi is WAY BELOW the efficiency of a 20g. If you aren't "made of money" then spend $100 for a used 14b and you'll be set. Once you save up and have the supporting mods, then look for a bigger turbo.

 

[Chaosweaver]

hey, i agree with the headache later on, if you are running the car hard everyday. and i am just trying to help a guy out.... most of us arent made of money. And i am running 12 lbs on it. its my DAILY DRIVER. my toy is running 30 lbs of a hx35 on a full build so back off....again, just trying to help a guy out.



p.s. when i start pushing a turbo is when i upgrade to a bigger one. i run turbos at efficency. past that, no serious gains. efficency is key not boost pressure..... and im the "####ing idiot?"

I have a friend that's running 38 pounds using an HX35 and a stock 1G bottom end... So your full build only running 30 pounds isn't really something that is too impressive, specially for the more experienced members on these forums. I also saw you're looking for forged internals... Why? These stock engines are good for upwards of 450-500hp on a good tune.

 

[jas510]

i had a hahns racecraft super 20g...

 

[anthonydinatale]

would love a big turbo im getting sick of the tiny 25

 

[DSM Dai]

You are running 12 psi on a 20g? Then the joke is on you because you would be better off with a 14b. 12 psi is WAY BELOW the efficiency of a 20g. If you aren't "made of money" then spend $100 for a used 14b and you'll be set. Once you save up and have the supporting mods, then look for a bigger turbo.

i agree i am running waaay below efficency... for what it is. its a TD05h 20g that is @65% efficiency at 36 psi and roughly 650cfm assuming TD06 specs. I NEVER said ebay turbos were the best. i am simply stating its a decent upgrade for eclipses with out exhaust modifications or dump changes while you guys are bashing the sh*t of them. not all people are dumb enough to run an already unreliable car like a race car everywhere they go.... that is why (as i mentioned before) i have a toy that isnt my daily. sorry for assuming that the dude who posted the thread was going to be driving the car daily.

 

[tazndrew04]

i have the hrc super 20g,go with an external wastegate the internal wg will cause alot of boost creep,when ## car jerks back and fourth ull know,also i have the td06 housing,it definatly is a good turbo if u have the supporting mods,gunna need bigger injectors,at least a 190lph walboro or something of that nature and also a afpr is a must to control ## fuel,i first ran it with a afc and trust me it ran like shit,id look at getting some kinda tuning software where u can actually adjust ## timing and fuel and not just fuel as the afc is all that its good for,also port the o2 housing to get better flow,if you dont plan on running 14psi as the lowest psi than i wouldnt suggest getting the 20g,im running it 18psi as my lowest psi and 25psi on a stock block with ecmlink and running e85,other than that its a good turbo IF you have the supporting mods

 

[pj91gsx]

i have the hrc super 20g,go with an external wastegate the internal wg will cause alot of boost creep,when ## car jerks back and fourth ull know,also i have the td06 housing,it definatly is a good turbo if u have the supporting mods,gunna need bigger injectors,at least a 190lph walboro or something of that nature and also a afpr is a must to control ## fuel,i first ran it with a afc and trust me it ran like shit,id look at getting some kinda tuning software where u can actually adjust ## timing and fuel and not just fuel as the afc is all that its good for,also port the o2 housing to get better flow,if you dont plan on running 14psi as the lowest psi than i wouldnt suggest getting the 20g,im running it 18psi as my lowest psi and 25psi on a stock block with ecmlink and running e85,other than that its a good turbo IF you have the supporting mods

porting the o2 housing is very important with a 20g! I have been able to completely eliminate boost creep by porting the o2 housing and in the turbo housing as well and still was able to keep an internal wastegate. You have to realize that, 15psi with a 20g, will feel make a whole lot more power than 15 psi on a 14b. The reason being is CFM is different at psi ratings for different turbo. That is on subject that has been talk about a lot on this forum and others. I know a guy making 330 wheel hp on an L6 bmw, that make 189 factory. He is running 6 psi, but he has a gt 35r. So i cant put a 14b on my identical bmw and make 330 hp at 6 psi.

 

[-red97rum-]

and if its an ebay turbo you will need a trash can

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[JusMX141]

several reliable sources have been saying ebay turbos are fine including Maximum Boost(aka the boost bible)....the problems u have are seals possibly going out and small fitment issues like wrong banjo bolts, ect.....

Seals, eh? Just like this fine piece of Chinese shit that was sent to me a while ago....I'm sure a set of new seals would've had him back to boosting in no time.

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i am actually running an ebay 20g on my car now.... been running it for a year daily with no problems. i am also running factory injectors and a factory pump.

Hate to point out the obvious, but if you're using the factory pump and injectors with a 20G, you're nowhere near the efficiency range of that turbo and you're actually better off with a 14B on your car.

I run the Apexi safc 2 and neo on my 3 awd cars with out any problem.

If you're still using the stock injectors and pump, then what the hell are you tuning with an AFC?

i have everything on the shelf to upgrade just dont see a need.

Right....because who wants to go faster?

 

[JRSTANGE]

Digging up the dead.

I am not supporting the s20g or ebay stuff one way or the other, but just stating my experience and facts I have from it.

I ran a Hahns/Godspeed super 20g for 5 years running e85 on 28psi and 21* timing, hks 272, smim etc... Unfortunately I never had it to the track or dyno to give you some numbers. However, the turbo took it well and still was up to the point I decided to go with an external waste gate. Therefore I ended up swapping to a br20g with a hafe manifold and tial wg. Per my logs argue it or not the s20g is flowing a few more lbs a minute over the br20g. The s20g had a bit better top end. Where the br20g isn't that far off on feeling, but certainly spools faster.