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Stock Drive Shaft Weight

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casuprock

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I did a quick search and didn't find the answer, so I am posting this information. The weight of the stock 2G drive shaft, including all three sections, couplings, and yokes, is 36 lb with an average diameter of 2.56 inches.

Here's a discussion of rotating mass:
The approximate mass moment of inertia (in si units) of the stock drive shaft is 0.0172 kg*m^2. Revving this shaft from 1000 to 7000 RPM gives a difference of 6000 RPM/60 sec * 2pi rad = 628.32 rad/sec. Let's say this takes 1.5 seconds... (632.32 rad/sec) /1.5 sec gives an average angular acceleration of 418.88 rad/sec^2 . Torque = 0.0172 kg*m^2 * 418.88 rad/sec^2 = 7.2 N*m, or 5.31 ft*lb.

Replacing the stock shaft with a light weight shaft has merit if you're trying to eek out a few extra ft*lb of torque under acceleration. In addition to rotating mass, you can also drop a few dead weight pounds by replacing the stock drive shaft. (The above calculations only consider the effect of rotating mass). Not to mention, by reducing the number of U joints, friction is reduced. In this way, it's a three for one deal, though it is an expensive deal. Engineering materials like carbon fiber are optimal but costly. I'll defer to other posts on drive shaft replacement for this information.

I'm having a carbon fiber 1 piece shaft made by ACPT through Vivid Racing. When you have this done, you send them the stock yokes from your drive shaft and they clean them up and bond them into the filament wound shaft they create to the proper length.

Replacing the stock shaft with a carbon shaft has other benefits like reduction of shock on the transfer case and transmission, better launching, etc due to the torsional stiffness of the carbon shaft. Other benefits include damping properties of the carbon reducing torsional vibration. In conclusion, replacing the stock shaft with a light weight alternative has a number of benefits for torque and endurance of the vehicle. To seek the highest gains, a carbon fiber shaft is required.
 
So only out of morbid curiosity how much do they want to make the shaft and how long is the lead time?

It's one of the last mods you need and only for extreme lightening. That said, there are two flavors, one that replaces the first two stock shafts and a single shaft that replaces all three. Vivid is the middle man between ACPT and the buyer. They sell them through their website. The vivid site has some misinformation "stock aluminum shaft" they should say "stock steel shafts".
ACPT Carbon Fiber Driveshaft Mitsubishi Eclipse 93-99

Lead time 4-6 Weeks

The cost you see on the site, plus shipping, plus your donor drive shaft yokes. It's a mod you have to commit to I suppose, like getting married. However, unlike marriage, the ACPT shaft is rated to over 1000 Hp.

The power gains reflect they claim on the site reflect the quick calculation above... 2.5%-5% gain is reasonable expectation.

The vivid sales guy asked me if I was sure I needed this shaft (implying that it was excessive unless I was going to extremes). Go extreme or go home... :cool:
 
If I'm not mistaken which I usually am not, ACPT eventually stopped selling the 1 piece shaft due to the angles needed in order for it to be perfect...

The proper way to do it would either be one of 2 ways....

1: Get a 2 piece shaft....The 1st shaft deals with the front and middle shaft...2nd shaft deals with the rear section....
2. Fabricate new locations for the transfer case angle and/or the rear end... In order to make the pinion angles less severe....

There was a thread about it once before....Not sure where though...and I dont feel like searching....

Edit: Lets think bout it this way....back when shep was running 8.7 He had an ACPT 1 piece CF drive shaft.....

Now hes removed it and went with a Driveshaftshop aluminum 2 piece system....(From what I've seen anyways)
Hes probably the highest hp and/or fastest AWD dsm out there....I'm sure he had a good reason he went with a 2 piece system...
 
nice info...wonder if the DSS shafts will fit the Evo 3
 
nice info...wonder if the DSS shafts will fit the Evo 3

Good question but I think the answer will be no....last I checked the early evos have a shorter drivesahft than what dsm's do...

But I could be wrong and dont hold my word to that statement....Just crawl under your car and measure the driveshaft LOL
 
If I'm not mistaken which I usually am not, ACPT eventually stopped selling the 1 piece shaft due to the angles needed in order for it to be perfect...

The proper way to do it would either be one of 2 ways....

1: Get a 2 piece shaft....The 1st shaft deals with the front and middle shaft...2nd shaft deals with the rear section....
2. Fabricate new locations for the transfer case angle and/or the rear end... In order to make the pinion angles less severe....

There was a thread about it once before....Not sure where though...and I dont feel like searching....

Edit: Lets think bout it this way....back when shep was running 8.7 He had an ACPT 1 piece CF drive shaft.....

Now hes removed it and went with a Driveshaftshop aluminum 2 piece system....(From what I've seen anyways)
Hes probably the highest hp and/or fastest AWD dsm out there....I'm sure he had a good reason he went with a 2 piece system...

They're making one right now, so they didn't stop selling... My guess is that the stock trans yoke/weld fails at super high torque. ACPT uses the stock tranny yoke and 4" of the stock drive shaft to bond into the carbon shaft. The angles aren't anything abnormal for a u joint to handle, but the stock drive shaft wall thickness is low. When a tube is torqued, there is a point where the bond delaminates from the shaft in shear and causes shaft failure. If that's the problem, there are a number of solutions. The composite is the last thing that would fail, failure would start at the interfaces unless the resin wasn't cured properly and the filament winding itself delaminates.

If I fail this shaft, I'll report on the failure mode. The carbon is superior to aluminum when it is engineered properly. The Boeing 787 is made from Toray carbon fiber and so is this drive shaft. M40J high modulus tow.

If anything fails, it can be analyzed and improved. There's no technical reason a single shaft can't work on our vehicle.
 
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