Stock Appearing at DSM Shootout

[ChvyKc]

I was interested in running in the "stock appearing" class next year at DSM Shootout. Just wondering if anybody knows what is excepted and what isn't? Can you eliminate the AC? Upper/Lower Intercooler pipes? Upgraded SMIC? Just wanted to make sure that I didn't do all of this work to try to keep it stock looking and end up not being able to run in that class. Any info would be great.

 

[NewB2dsm]

Yes, only rule is full interior unless a cage interfers and NO fmic, stock intake manifold, stock apering turbo, stock apering manifold.

Check on buschurs site for the rules from this year, they should be the same.

 

[ChvyKc]

Yes, only rule is full interior unless a cage interfers and NO fmic, stock intake manifold, stock apering turbo, stock apering manifold.

Check on buschurs site for the rules from this year, they should be the same.

Awesome, what about water injection? Is that a no? I did see the rules on Buschur's website, but they weren't that specific. Plus, Buschur got a new website and I couldn't find the rules on their new site.

 

[almostquick]

you can get really sneaky, think extrude honed intake mani, sleeper 16G, weight reduction (sound deadeding, gut dash), just all the stuff that you cant see. Supra SMIC, you might be able to get away with water injection, I'm not sure, but I bet you could be pretty sneaky about it. good luck, I think its a pretty cool class to compete in.

 

[ChvyKc]

you can get really sneaky, think extrude honed intake mani, sleeper 16G, weight reduction (sound deadeding, gut dash), just all the stuff that you cant see. Supra SMIC, you might be able to get away with water injection, I'm not sure, but I bet you could be pretty sneaky about it. good luck, I think its a pretty cool class to compete in.

Oh yeah, all that has already crossed my mind along with cams, ported head, over-sized valves, etc. I have other reasons for wanting to stay stock appearing. We have a lot of domestics running around my area that talk crap as long as they think that you are stock (for some reason they seam to be scared of anything with a front mount). Plus, I plan on busting some domestic ass at a local shoot out coming up this spring.

 

[Dream On]

I'm pretty sure water/alky injection was ok last year. I wanna run in that class as well.

 

[ChvyKc]

I'm pretty sure water/alky injection was ok last year. I wanna run in that class as well.

I guess that it wouldn't be that hard to remove if it isn't permitted in that class.

I can't wait to go, this will be my first shootout. I live in Columbia, SC so it is about a 10 hour drive I believe up there. I wasn't able to make it this year. School started the same week as the shootout and I was low on money as well. I will be there for sure next year though. All I ever get to run around here is domestics (mostly 99+ Mustangs) and that's not fun at all, it's gonna be nice to run something comparable to my car for a change.

 

[mavisky]

If you really want to take down the title you'll have to get pretty creative with the internal motor work and stuff. Last I knew the class record was from a guy I know in Avon, IN with an 11.75 on a 16g and full interior.

 

[ChvyKc]

If you really want to take down the title you'll have to get pretty creative with the internal motor work and stuff. Last I knew the class record was from a guy I know in Avon, IN with an 11.75 on a 16g and full interior.

I highly doubt that I will be running that by the shootout next year, but at least I have a goal set now

 

[devioustsi]

I was trying to figure out what exactly will bump you up a class since the NO FUGLY MODIFACATIONS rule is so in depth. After numerous pms to jarod and david I finally just made a thread so keep your eye on it and it should answer yours/my questions.


http://buschurforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=58413#post58413

 

[ChvyKc]

I was trying to figure out what exactly will bump you up a class since the NO FUGLY MODIFACATIONS rule is so in depth. After numerous pms to jarod and david I finally just made a thread so keep your eye on it and it should answer yours/my questions.


http://buschurforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=58413#post58413

Thanks for the thread, I will definately keep up with that.

According to that thread you can't have an aftermarket FPR? I have an aeromotive kit that I bought from Import Evolution and I can't go back to my stock one because I was over running it (Walboro 255HP). I plan on running a bastard 20G on an upgraded side mount and water injection so I need all the fuel that I can get, guess I'm already knokced out

 

[BlackHalo]

Thanks for the thread, I will definately keep up with that.

According to that thread you can't have an aftermarket FPR? I have an aeromotive kit that I bought from Import Evolution and I can't go back to my stock one because I was over running it (Walboro 255HP). I plan on running a bastard 20G on an upgraded side mount and water injection so I need all the fuel that I can get, guess I'm already knokced out

you could get away with a 190lph and no afpr.. dont know if you will run out of fuel with the 20g though. I doubt it..

 

[ChvyKc]

you could get away with a 190lph and no afpr.. dont know if you will run out of fuel with the 20g though. I doubt it..

I am going to see how it works out. If I am able to run the 20G without addition fuel pressure on the 255 then I might step it down to a 190 and ditch the fpr for the stock one and see if I can still keep the knock count down. I just wish that I would have known this before I bought the thing.

 

[devioustsi]

http://buschurforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=58413#post58413


I made up a complete list of what is and what isn't allowed on that thread. David has read it over and everything is good and real in depth. Just go to the last page.

I may cross post the list here soon....

 

[Absinthminded]

I'm kinda interested in building towards the DSA class for next year's shootout. Is APFR's still not allowed? Cams? Could you hide a Water/meth set up? Seems like my buddy ran a FMIC and an AFPR? I'm still serching for info. Can anyone define exactly what can and can't be used/modded? Thanks D.

 

[ChvyKc]

I know that a FMIC is not allowed. I am not for sure if the water injection is allowed. If you can hide it where you can't see it when you pop the hood then they will probably let you have it in stock appearing.

I was running a Supra SMIC at 24 pounds with water injection though and it was a pretty good set-up. I was able to keep intake temps below 110 degrees at full boost on a hot day and I know that intercooler is allowed.

I was just reading that post that is on Buschur's forums and it says that you have to have full interior which knocks me out of it. The fpr should be allowed in my opinion. I was overflowing my stock fpr after I put the 255hp in the car and there was no way that I could get away with using a stock fpr. I just don't see how you can have a COP set-up but not an aftermarket FPR.

I'm definately out of this class though. I've got a tubular O2 dump, FPR and the back part of the interior pulled out so those three knock me out of this class. (I'm about to purchase a FMIC as well)

 

[SBstar]

FMIC's were allowed this year and they will be allowed next
From Buschur's site

STOCK APPEARING (DSA)
-Heads up class. Pro Tree. LANE 1.
-Full interior required. Full exhaust. NO nitrous. DOT 140+ tires only.
-FMIC's O.K but must fit without any cutting of the front fascia. NO external wastegates, NO sheetmetal intakes, NO air to water intercoolers, NO cut outs for the exhaust, NO headers. COP ignitions O.K.
-Turbos must remain stock appearing. 02 housings are fine but no external dump tubes. Upgraded upper and lower i/c pipes O.K. Open element filters O.K. for speed density conversions but must be done neatly and retain stock position and appearance.

 

[mavisky]

AFPR - no
cams - yes
fmic - yes so long as there's no extreme hacking of the front bumper, One cut like mine would probably be fine since I didn't actually open up the size of the inlet, but merely clearanced it for the front bumper.

 

[ChvyKc]

I just don't understand that. Why a FMIC but no FPR? It seems like a FMIC would be an obvious modification that should knock you out of the class but a FPR is a little harder to see and pick out if you don't know what you are looking for. Even ricers are able to pick out a front mount as a modification, but most of them wouldn't be able to pick out a FPR as a mod.

Even my 58 year old dad can pick out a car out with a fmic and he has no idea what that little red thing sitting on my firewall does and actually thought that it came with the car.

 

[Absinthminded]

I know someone that competed with an AFPR. Maybe it needs to be hidden or something.

 

[mavisky]

I know someone that competed with an AFPR. Maybe it needs to be hidden or something.

Had it been found by the event staff or another racer, they would've been kicked out of the class though.

 

[Absinthminded]

Can you run low 12's on a stock fuel regulator?

 

[fourreGsixty3]

This sounds like a fun sounding class, I think I might try it out in a couple years, get real sneaky with it all. Ive got a question, what about cutting the hump(in awd's, for the spare) out, can you take the spare out? What about CF hood and hatch if painted to match? What about rims, do they have to me OEM style or can you do something like 13lbs rx-7 rims? Can we gut the doors interiors? I was thinking guys, you know the vents that are near the windshield? What if you opened that up, and put the AFPR inside there and ran the lines in there, then back to the tank, and weld it back up? Does the intake pipe have to stay stock? Can 2G guys put 1G BOVs on?

Dustin

 

[SBstar]

HOly cow man slow down!!! AFPR's are not allowed, period (at least as far as all conversations from last year went, David will give the final word this year of course). Rims are fine, I would think that a carbon fiber hood would be allowed but thats one to ask David again. If you cut the hump for the spare out you would have to cover it with the carpeting, if you gut the doors you would have to put the door panels back on, full interior means all panels must be in their places, doesn't matter what is underneath. Stock intake pipe is a must, 1G bov's are allowed on 2g's. hope I've been of help to you.
The best mods to be sneaky for stock appearing would probably be, 9.0:1 compression pistons (more compression/more power), upgraded camshafts, Extrude Honed intake manifold, obviously a ported 2G/evo/SBR cast exhaust manifold, Biggest turbo you can fit in a TD05H housing (sleeper 20G??? can't remember which is the biggest really).

 

[JOEY A]

Im looking to be a heavy hitter in stock appearing class this year...