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Oh. Thats what you meant. Well in my experience the answer is no then. All my idle,
and cruise conditions were tuned perfect by me upon arrival and i was expecting for them to rework everything since my global and dead time were off leaving me an over estamated boost est and VE( still have this problem but it runs well, just not accurate readings and has since been reworked 100% by me) the only thing i ended up paying 300 bucks for was a base timing check. 4 DA timing cells changed, and leaned the hell out on pump 92 from my 11.1:1 to 12:1 which aaron claimed he tunes all the pump gas evos to. Personally i did not get my moneys worth and did not trust the lean afrs he set me at.

The week before i was runnning 28psi on really retarded timing. But was not getting knock, and had good afrs.
i detuned it before i arrived thinking they would do a full do over so i put it to wastegate pressure. Mind you i lived 45
Mins north of seattle and this drive was 4 hrs one way with a 4AM wakeup. plus gas. They didnt do anything but 4 WOT pulls and then my car had to go Off the dyno for the next car.
Bullshit honestly....However i think their dsms run On link and not AEM.

They are also only going to do a good job tuning if THEY built your motor and know it through and through.

They HATE holsets, aaron slyly talked shit about them,
most likely because they are FP sponsored. But whatever still no reason to treat a tune differently.

Apparently they didn't like BC cams either. So basically. If they don't like your setup they will shaft you, if you spent all your money with them building your shit. They will give you a good tune. Honestly i think thats only the reason to keep The shop rep good. But it's not cool for all the DIY engine builders that have had many miles of high boost with no problems. It simply does not matter to them,
They didn't build it, they don't care how well its setup, They won't push your setup.
 
11:1 is too rich honestly. English has been doing this for a really long time. They have seen more than most people here and know what they need to look for.

IF you saw say 100 DSM's come to a shop you were running in the condition that 99% of these car's are in then you would do the same thing honestly.
 
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That may be so but I'd rather be too rich than too lean, ans 12:1 is like E85 AFRs not ass gas 92octane afrs.

If i saw 100 dsms come in with their problems and conditions that most are being what they are. I'd treat every tune and customer individually, Not assume the worst and blanket the assumption on the people that actually have had good quality setups that were not english purchased and shaft the customer for their cash.
 
urbansmoker1 said:
That may be so but I'd rather be too rich than too lean, ans 12:1 is like E85 AFRs not ass gas 92octane afrs.

If i saw 100 dsms come in with their problems and conditions that most are being what they are. I'd treat every tune and customer individually, Not assume the worst and blanket the assumption on the people that actually have had good quality setups that were not english purchased and shaft the customer for their cash.
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12:1 on a dyno sniffer is closer to 11.8:1 directly after the turbo. ;)
 
white92talontsi said:
11:1 is too rich honestly. English has been doing this for a really long time. They have seen more than most people here and know what they need to look for.

IF you saw say 100 DSM's come to a shop you were running in the condition that 99% of these car's are in then you would do the same thing honestly.
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So you'd charge a customer and give them nothing in return? I would never do that so... If you can't/don't have the ability to do a proper job then turn the owner away.

This post is not in reference to any one particular shop, it's an overall statement for the automotive industry. I see this way to often unfortunately. Just had a Honda in the shop because it still wouldn't go into hear even after she paid to have a new transmission in it. Took a 1 minute look at it and guess what?, cotter pin for the shift linkage was the problem all along.
 
phunny said:
So you'd charge a customer and give them nothing in return? I would never do that so... If you can't/don't have the ability to do a proper job then turn the owner away.

This post is not in reference to any one particular shop, it's an overall statement for the automotive industry. I see this way to often unfortunately. Just had a Honda in the shop because it still wouldn't go into hear even after she paid to have a new transmission in it. Took a 1 minute look at it and guess what?, cotter pin for the shift linkage was the problem all along.
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This has nothing to do with me or the shop I work at. I will not discriminate and nit pick someone's parts and tell them I won't tune there car because I do not like X part. What I will not do is tune someone's car because there is a bunch of crap wrong with it.

I had a customer come in about a month ago with a 90 AWD Talon. He wanted a tune done and he had DSM Link and a Ebay Turbo. I warned him about the turbo but told him I would tune it but first I need to check the car over and make sure it is in good working condition. By the time I was done checking the car out I ended up having the head and the oil pan off it as the motor was wore the F out and all the bearings were shot.

That is what I see on a day to day basis with these car's. I am sure English see's the same thing as well.

If the car is in good working condition then I don't give 2 cents what parts it has.
 
Well for refrence,
After
My english tune i went to do tuning myself and on the same shit they doubted I'm running 30 psi on my hx40 flowing around 60lb a min DAILY!
And havent had a problem yet, except
My rear diff is on it's last leg now :p. i was not like the 99%others at all.

For the record i wouldn't tune someones dsm with jb welded intercooler pipes and shit either. But my shit was basically good to go minus a minor wobble in the exhaust cam gear ( car took 7500k just fine) and a 7bolt crank pulley on my 6bolt.
 
urbansmoker1 said:
Well for refrence,
After
My english tune i went to do tuning myself and on the same shit they doubted I'm running 30 psi on my hx40 flowing around 60lb a min DAILY!
And havent had a problem yet, except
My rear diff is on it's last leg now :p. i was not like the 99%others at all.

For the record i wouldn't tune someones dsm with jb welded intercooler pipes and shit either. But my shit was basically good to go minus a minor wobble in the exhaust cam gear ( car took 7500k just fine) and a 7bolt crank pulley on my 6bolt.
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Maybe they saw the cam gear as an issue I have no clue.
 
Well as options are limited and I'm on my 4th engine in this car 6 bolt this time , don't ask... Anyways I've invested so much money in this car over the years , all I'm looking to get out of this trip is a professional tune, I need this car to be a reliable daily driver period, I'm not gonna go in there say well let's see how much we can get . But rather this is the 4th engine I've had in this car I can't afford to fix it again just give me a safe reliable tune .

And hopefully that is what I get.
 
pimpin81 said:
Well as options are limited and I'm on my 4th engine in this car 6 bolt this time , don't ask... Anyways I've invested so much money in this car over the years , all I'm looking to get out of this trip is a professional tune, I need this car to be a reliable daily driver period, I'm not gonna go in there say well let's see how much we can get . But rather this is the 4th engine I've had in this car I can't afford to fix it again just give me a safe reliable tune .

And hopefully that is what I get.
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Then I would recommend a remote tune. I would not take my vehicle there for something like that due to seeing what was churned out on my personal vehicle. Even if they could, I don't think they would be able to spend the time required to set everything up for a good DD, remember that WOT tune is very different then everything else.

If you want, I can recommend a couple guys, PM me if interested.
 
white92talontsi said:
This has nothing to do with me or the shop I work at. I will not discriminate and nit pick someone's parts and tell them I won't tune there car because I do not like X part. What I will not do is tune someone's car because there is a bunch of crap wrong with it.

I had a customer come in about a month ago with a 90 AWD Talon. He wanted a tune done and he had DSM Link and a Ebay Turbo. I warned him about the turbo but told him I would tune it but first I need to check the car over and make sure it is in good working condition. By the time I was done checking the car out I ended up having the head and the oil pan off it as the motor was wore the F out and all the bearings were shot.

That is what I see on a day to day basis with these car's. I am sure English see's the same thing as well.

If the car is in good working condition then I don't give 2 cents what parts it has.
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What does this have to do with your previous post? I said its wrong to take money and give nothing in return and it looks like you completely agree. I also turn cars away that I do not want to undertake or the customer will not fix right.
 
I like my pte 50 trim direct bolt on perfect fitment, stock wg 16psi going anything bigger turbo wise not boost wise your not really looking for a street able dsm but more a drag car.
 
phunny said:
Pretty dumb statement.
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so your saying putting something bigger then a pte 50 trim is going to be a realistic street car it barley fits as it is let alone when it starts to spool.
i know the PTE will put out 28 psi no problem and it starts to spool at 3200 rpm anything bigger would be rediculous because it probably would'nt spool till 3600 rpm. not very ideal in my eyes. now if your talking about a street racer where ever you go your giving it hell and not dd'ing it then yah bigger is obviously better. there is a fine line there just depends on how you plan on driving the car. If you plan to race it or if you plan to drive it daily and smoke a honda or bmw every now and then. If i wanted to see how much hp i could get out of this car i would put a bigger turbo on it . but im not the 50 trim is plenty for my goals for this car.
 
My dsm is my only car, i daily drive it 30 psi hx40 on bolt on housing, soon to be on the .70 AR t3 i see 25psi by4k 30psi by 4500rpm ita very streetable and will rape everything in my way. I hope to see faster soool on t3I havent even taken it to the 1/4 and it's fun as hell. I even have a stock intake manifold and thats not helping spool any. So i have to disagree :)
 
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