spark plugs that create 1million watts (Pulstars, pulstar, pulse) [Merged] snake oil

[dsmzoom]

I just read reviews, dynos have reports a whopping 5whp gain, I don't believe this though. Though if you do have a bigger spark, would cause it to ignite faster causing higher cylinder pressure. Who knows though, guess we will never.

 

[meliketoball]

Would you spend 100 dollars for four, I said FOUR spark plugs?!

 

[kenamond]

So i've been seeing these in my PopSci mag...
anyone know anything about them? tried them? anything?
I've looked on their site and they have some kind of special edition plugs
for turbocharged engines.
I searched the forum, and found this:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/bolt-tech/263870-pulstar-spark-plugs.html
but not very helpful...

Spend that $100 on a MBC, boost gauge, and a set of four NGK BPR6ES plugs. Let someone else who is "done" with their mods to toss $100 at a "maybe".:thumb"

 

[Defiant]

I searched the forum, and found this:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/bolt-tech/263870-pulstar-spark-plugs.html

But still thought another thread was worthwhile.

Spark plug gizmos and gimmicks have been around as long as cars have. Especially in these days of higher CAFE standards, the manufacturers would be using them if they worked. Or, like Mobil One, the maker would give them away to get them into the public's hands.

Are you aware what plugs are factory stock for turbocharged DSMs?

 

[tyger1]

first i would like to say i tried searching but i found nothing. maybe i am not searching the right key word but i have tried pulsestar, pulse plugs etc. but nothing

so here is my question. has anyone tried them? any expierence with these plugs. I have read an article in DSport magazine March 2008 issue and it was a pretty informative article. they did a dyno test on an Evo 4g63 and found that with standard plugs it dynoed at 276.5 hp and 266.1 ft lb of torque after the install of pulse plugs it dynoed at 282.2 hp and 269.2 ft lb of torque an increase of 2%.

will they have the same affect on our DSMs? I am planning to purchase a set and just wanted to know if anyone had any experience with them.

For those who are interested in them the one for our DSMs are Be1

they have tried several other different cars all produced an average of 3-4hp not bad i say

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[srtkiller]

I read on their website that they don't really recomend them for modified cars especialy car with any form of forced induction when the boost has been turned up. Due to the fact that you need a colder heat range plug.

 

[tyger1]

yes i read that too. i wrote to the manufacture to see if there are any colder plugs for performance enhanced vehicles. i am waiting for a reply.

since these are fairly new. i would expect them to tap into the high performance, highly modified engines that require colder plugs soon...hopefully real soon.

but you got to admit the technology contained in that little plug is amazing.

any body else has any info or experience with these plugs?

i also read an article in Popular Science mag. all basically say the same thing

more spark
more horse power
better MPG

 

[TunaTalon]

There was a recent thread on these plugs, see http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/bolt-tech/263870-pulstar-spark-plugs.html.

The last post by Defiant is nuanced but still pretty clear.

 

[romeen]

My scientific background naturally makes me a skeptic and I generally don't buy into marketing claims. But a lot of guys have been putting these down without any evidence to suggest that they don't work. To believe the ads w/out objective and independent data would be foolish but so is descrediting them without any data. The ones who have put these down don't even have any anectodal evidence.

Interestingly, in addition to the Dsport article, this month's issue of Modified also test these plugs on a 350Z and claim they gained approx 9 or 10 HP and 7 lb ft of TQ with gains over the majority of rpms.

http://www.sailvc.com/news/Modified--Proving Grounds.pdf


In reading some posts in other forums it appears that there really may be some performance benefit to these plugs. However, there may be issues with the electrode rapidly eroding away and causing excessive gaps and misfire. I'll try to find the link to the post I am referring to.

evolutionm.net - View Single Post - Pulstar Spark Plugs > Preview > Review


tyger1, I'm not taking sides on whether these plugs really work as claimed (frankly, I'm not ready to spend that much money on plugs that I remain skeptical about) but if you do try them post back some results and impressions.

I would imagine if they really do work as claimed we will start to see racers utilizing them.

 

[tyger1]

well i got a reply back from the company. and below is the following reply

"The current heat range of the BE-1 plug for your engine is about an NGK7. I have a NGK9 heat range plug coming online in about 60-90 days"


I agree, I have read countless of articles on several magazines who have done independent test on these and none have shown to prove these plugs claim wrong.

I agree on the durability on the plugs. yes they are a technological advancement in redesigning the standard spark plug but only time will tell on how long these tip last. after such a powerful discharge something gots to give.

my car is currently down for a turbo rebuild (i blew the seals on my holset HX40) but when i get it back i'll compare it to my current set up which is

MSD DIS 2 with iridium sparkplugs and magnacore wires

then i'll unplug the MSD and and just run the pulse plugs

i'll compare and post as soon as i can

what do you think will happen with MSD DIS with pulse plugs? Hmmmmm might be over kill

but honestly the plugs are about 25-27 dollars a piece. times that by four and still does not cost as much as a MSD box or any other multiple discharge capacity ignition box.

if it is as good as i hope it to be it just may be th "best bang for the buck" item

 

[tyger1]

got a reply back from the company stating that the pulse plug will work fine with the MSD system

fyi The voltage output doesn't change (that's a function of the gap and
resistance) but the output wattage improves quite a bit with the MSD system

 

[tyger1]

Only NGKs in DSMs.

Like we've proven hundreds of times before.


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i agree NGKs are proven to work best for our cars.

This thread is just to share any experience of thoughts on these pulsplugs. I am going to get a set when a new colder rage pulsplug comes out and compare it to the NGK and MSD.

I am not confirming or denying their reports. maybe it works but them maybe it doesn't It might be just another "gimmick" but to prove the plugs are a gimmick one must try them.

thanks for unlocking the thread.

 

[Locke]

The spark is used for igniting the air/fuel mixture, that is all. Whatever the power required to jump the plug gap in a highly compressed atmosphere ("boost x CR", in a very general sense) will ignite the air/fuel mixture. The factory ignition system, in decent repair, can handle this pretty easily. Given all else is unchanged, a "hotter" spark will not have any different effect in igniting the air/fuel mixture.

Consider this; You can light a piece of paper on fire with a match, or an oxyacetylene torch. The paper will burn at the same rate and release the same amount of energy regardless of how it is ignited. Using the torch is a waste.

 

[tyger1]

if what you say is true then why do people spend hundreds of dollars on a multiple capacity discharge ignition box? do they not do the same concept?

under high boost isn't there a chance for a misfire?

i understand your example and it is true to a point. but when speaking about auto ignition thats under constant high revs, doesn't a large spark somewhat provide a better chance of burning all the fuel faster with every signal rather than the engine excavating it during the exhaust stroke

the theory of a conventional 4 stroke engine is

suck (intake)
squeeze (compression)
bang (spark/power)
blow (exhaust)

what ever does not get burn goes out the exhaust resulting in carbon build up in the exhaust.

the point is, the only way to tell if these plugs are any good is to dyno prove them.

many popular magazines out there (modified, dsport, turbo, pop sci, etc) all well known claim to conduct an "independent" research

they all the same thing.
provide almost the same results
and tested them on several different popular vehicles (evo, 350z, honda, large trucks, etc)

but to truly test these plugs indepently is to test them ourselves.

do you honestly think there can not be any advance in technology in something so simple as a spark plug?

NGKs are proven...thats a given tried and true right? but how did they come to create the spark plug that we know today? i am pretty sure NGKs werent the first spark plug. but with the advance research and development we got what we all can say is a good spark plug for our cars.

we as car ethusiast must keep an open mind in advancement in technology that affects our hobby and interest. dont say they are worthless, or a gimmick when you have not and wont even consider testing them yourself. just because plugs like splitfire is a joke does not mean everything else that comes out after the ngk plugs are useless.

i am not once again NOT saying these plugs are the real deal, and i do not defend them or prove their worth. i am saying that with technology today even "simple" things today can be improved.

 

[Defiant]

Let me know when you've bought the plugs and dyno tested them.

Discussing the finer points between now and then would be what we call bench racing.

 

[streetlegends]

I was wondering has anyone tryed these pluse plugs???? They are like 25 bucks a plug but anyway let me know!!!!!

 

[kqodprez]

Why in gods name would you spend that type of money on a spark plug? I see that you're N/A so you need a hotter spark plug to add power if I'm not mistaken. I used Denso Iriduims in my N/T and they worked fine. Cost is like 8-12 dollars a plug versus 25 per plug. Just my input. Don't do it. If you don't have any type of forced induction mods just get a set of ngk's or denso's and you should be fine.

 

[Hideki]

My DSM loves her NGK's, but I was reading one of the import tuner magazines and they dyno tuned a G35 and the Pulstar plugs made power. Now I know comparing the non-turbo VQ to the boosted 4G63 is like apples and oranges. I'd really be interested to see if anyone runs these on their 4g63, and if they actually made any power.

 

[Wufei]

Not saying one way or the other, but here's some data I found after poking around.

Pulstar Pulse Blogs - shows dyno runs with various cars. They also have a post that tries to address the statistical significance/margin of error that someone brought up earlier.
Tests by Sparkplugs.com - compared with other plugs

Would be great if one of the shops could run a test of these plugs for the community.

 

[DSM LoVeR 96]

Ive seen the new E3 spark plugs preform on horse power TV this weekend and it was impressive to say the lest. they tested another supposedly the best second competitor plug and the E3 plug ended up making 5 more horse power then the competitor did and also saved more gas then all the other spark plugs to top it all off. This test was preformed in a lab on equipment made for testing this it was also done on a V8



What are your guys views on this topic??? any one running these plugs in a DSM yet. Thats making me want to go buy some.

 

[4Motion4g63]

Since I had so many problems with the splitfire plugs I just stick with NGK work good and cheap...

 

[DSM LoVeR 96]

not to much on this topic aaa well i need to get some price checks and then ill see if ill get them or not.

 

[Defiant]

Wouldn't just be something if just once, just one time, any of these bullshit car shows were to bring out a new product -who, oh look! is also a paying sponsor- and tell us all it's complete crap?

There are no magic spark plugs. Your DSM will never be happier than it is with NGK plugs.

 

[neeland]

I saw the horse power show on the E3s as well. They made 5 more horsepower and saved some gas in a V8. There is a big difference there. Its like the difference of 5 hp in my n/t and 5 hp in a turbo car. Its alot easier to do in a turbo car. 5 hp in a V8 isnt much at all. My Gf saw the show with me and she was asking about them because its time to get new plugs for her truck. I had to explain to her that its all the same thing and that its just a spark jumping and electrode and there is no difference. I did see where the E3 plugged had a much brighter spark out put then what looked like a platinum +4 but whos to say they had the voltage the same. Like defiant said sponsorship does funny things to test. Its amazing how the new thing is the shit and in a few month nobody will remember it.

 

[Defiant]

I saw the horse power show on the E3s as well. They made 5 more horsepower and saved some gas in a V8.

Ah, they told you they made five more horsepower. They'll also tell you the Tornado will add five. What they don't tell you is that you'll not get two runs within five horsepower in the space of two hours, and that it's easy to cherry-pick readouts when no one is watching. It's even easier to flat-out lie.... particularly if there's a profit in it.