spark plugs that create 1million watts (Pulstars, pulstar, pulse) [Merged] snake oil

[MrdB]

i stoped by the advanced to get some new plugs and the guy in there was telling me about these new e3 plugs? that looks beast. but looks arent everything.. has any1 tryed them out?

 

[DSMunknown]

The E3 spark plug site.


The store will try to sell you just about anything. I personally wouldn't be the "guinea pig" just to see if these spark plugs work. Why not stick with something that has been proven to work (like some of the NGK plugs)?


Here you go ---> Click here, please.

 

[malern28us]

The nly feedback I can offer on these plugs are that I put a pair of them in my riding lawnmower and no longer have to use the choke to get it to start (except when the temp drops to 30, don't ask how I know) I now get over 2 mowing days on a tank of gas versus running out before I finish on the second day. Might save a half a quart of gas on a 2.5 gallon tank.
Eric

P.s. Take it for what its worth....just an observation

 

[RipperXX]

No offence but theres a HUGE difference in your lawn mower and a turbocharged 4G63. Our engines are picky and seem to love only copper plugs. My openion is stick with the tried and true, stick with NGK copper plugs and ride on. (denso will work too...)

 

[Defiant]

DSMs want NGK BPR6ES plugs until some very hard use and a fair bit of modifying require a slightly colder plug.

Remember Splitfires and their guaranteed 15 horsepower? Yeh. Be glad you don't. And even fewer of you will recall the sixties' misapplication of aircraft engine surface-gap plugs.

Then again, the factory stock plug for DSM turbos was the dual-electrod thing, so there you are.

 

[IceDragon]

I work at an advance, and I never try to sell the E3's for a car unless I don't like you. A spark plug won't net you 20 horses, so why go with an insane spark plug? The only thing I really recommend them for is things that are hard to start... such as you're pull start tractor, simply because why keep pullin hard like a tard when you can pull once and start up. I don't even recommend the E3's for engines as big as a motorcycles... NGK all the way.

 

[malern28us]

Hey guys! No offense taken but I believe the topic was "has anyone tried them?" Opinions are like....well you know the rest. I can honestly say I have used them. Would I recommend you using them? No way! I am still trying to get in the "research group" of a local company trying to make sparkplugs with their own capacitors built in. I keep volunteering my vehicles with no luck yet. Until that day, I will continue to run Denso in my cars and motorcycles (and E3 in my mowers because they are the only ones that fit that were on the shelves)

 

[DSMunknown]

Hey guys! No offense taken but I believe the topic was "has anyone tried them?" Opinions are like....well you know the rest.

I think all of us understood what the original question was asked. What we were trying to do was prevent him from using unproven "performance" plugs. Why do we tell the noobs to change their timing belts every 60,000 miles? To prevent them from future problems. We know what happens when you don't replace the belt, and we are informing them before they regret it. The same applies here. Go with something that has been proven to work over the years.

I can honestly say I have used them. Would I recommend you using them? No way!

Just as we thought.

I am still trying to get in the "research group" of a local company trying to make sparkplugs with their own capacitors built in. I keep volunteering my vehicles with no luck yet. Until that day, I will continue to run Denso in my cars and motorcycles (and E3 in my mowers because they are the only ones that fit that were on the shelves)

"I feel a great swell of pity for the poor [engines]" that are subjected to such testing.


If you must torture your vehicles... well, I don't really know what to say to that.

 

[malern28us]

I think all of us understood what the original question was asked. What we were trying to do was prevent him from using unproven "performance" plugs. Why do we tell the noobs to change their timing belts every 60,000 miles? To prevent them from future problems. We know what happens when you don't replace the belt, and we are informing them before they regret it. The same applies here. Go with something that has been proven to work over the years.
















"I feel a great swell of pity for the poor [engines]" that are subjected to such testing.


If you must torture your vehicles... well, I don't really know what to say to that.

Just for reference....Manual states 60,000 miles for first timing belt change then indicates every 40,000 after that.---1995 Service Manual. Eagle Talon. Engine, Chassis, & Body Volume 1. Page 0-6. General Maintenance Service for Proper Vehicle Performance. Line Item 7.
I was one of those newbies that everyone told to change the timing belt every 60,000 miles. Decided to find out for myself after having the timing belt break on two engines after 40,000 miles. Find it hard to relate the relevance of spark plugs and timing belts but, I don't make any claims that I know as much as you. For 17 bucks...it can't hurt to try something new. If you don't like them, take them out.
One more note. Technology only advances from trial and error. There is a nicely written article by Kevin Cameron in the new issue of Cycle World which basically states the same thing. I do admit the article discusses engine development not timing belts or spark plugs though. Sheesh! All that from a simple question and simple statement.
Eric

 

[MrdB]

well i ended up not buying them. i just ordered a set of brp7's.. had to gap them to .025 and now the car finnaly runs good.. i had some autolite racing plugs.. that kept giving me spark blowout.

 

[marcmsj]

Sounds interesting, and looks good on paper.

Anyone feel like spending 25 bucks a piece on spark plugs and telling me how well they work?

http://www.pulstarplug.com/

 

[Defiant]

Only NGKs in DSMs.

Like we've proven hundreds of times before.


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[dsm28]

Ok guys was reading this morning on these plugs that create one millon watts of power. They have this electrode that holds power in side. They are 25 bucks a plug. The are suppose to create more power and be more fule eficent. pulstarplug.com there is the web site tell me what you think or is all B>S

 

[gy2005]

I tried finding some more information about them, and everyone is just talking about whether or not they make more power or get better gas mileage. No one really talks about the fact that if they do what they say they do, they'd be useful in high boost applications.

EPA says they gave a 2.7% mileage increase: http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/01/pulse_plug_demo.html

If that's true, if you drive your car 3000 miles or more in a year on the same set of plugs, these would actually be worth the extra cost in fuel savings, compared to most other plugs.

 

[malern28us]

I had mentioned these plugs a while back in one of my posts. At the time, they were just in a trial phase before they were released. The funny part is, the company my father works for actually provides some of the assemblies for these. I still cant score any freebies. I am planning on trying some after talking with my father because he said all of their testing has shown that they do AT LEAST what they promise to do, if not better. I am still sceptical, but I have spent more money on dumber things.
Eric

 

[dsm28]

Did a little more research. If you look on the bottom they have another plug for turbocharged or forced induction. there are called directhits.com 199.99 for plugs and wires

 

[420aStonerBlock]

Ok so i think i am going to get these when i finally decide if i am going to get a 1g turbo or a 2g turbo.. Anyway why wouldnt the regular pulseplugs work if i upgrade my turbo and all that? It says i should get the directhits ones if you arnt stock but they are 200 bucks a set and have less power! WTF . Someone please answer this.

 

[GVR4592]

Ok guys think about this for a minute. If any of you have ever tuned an engine you'd pick this up real quick. The stoichiometric A/F ratio for gasoline is 14.7:1, you would never do this but lets just say that your engine was tuned for 14.7:1 A/F across the board. That means all of the fuel entering the combustion chamber is being burned. If all of the fuel is being burned in the combustion process, how can the spark plug increase efficiency?

 

[notsofastdsm55]

gvr4592 is correct on that one, and besides there is no way possible that a spark plug itself could produce a million watts at the voltages and current our ignition systems use the only way that would be possible if the all the energy in the pulse were a mere nano seconds( and even that I find hard to believe) our ignition dwell is measure in microseconds and that means the total peak power would be less( there is a difference between average power and peak power)

basicly if you have 1000 watts of power in 1 sec and you shorten that pulse to 1/100th of a second your peak power would be 100,00 watts!( well not exact but you get the idea) but your average power would still only be 1000 watts!!! any electrical engineer would tell you this, there is just not enough energy in our ignition system to produce that kind of power! and even if it could like I said it would be in the nanosecond range, maybe the picosecond range and then it would be useless! due to that fact that fuel does take time to burn and therefore setting your dwell too low on stand alone ems isn't good either!!!

 

[ilikespeeding]

1 million watts = 1,300 HP.

Just thought I'd throw that in.

 

[Splitpi]

Ok guys think about this for a minute. If any of you have ever tuned an engine you'd pick this up real quick. The stoichiometric A/F ratio for gasoline is 14.7:1, you would never do this but lets just say that your engine was tuned for 14.7:1 A/F across the board. That means all of the fuel entering the combustion chamber is being burned. If all of the fuel is being burned in the combustion process, how can the spark plug increase efficiency?

On the assumption of perfection you are correct. But in the real world perfection is not attainable. So we strive to be as perfect as possible. The only other point would be the speed at wich the combustion occurs which translates into quicker power from the engine.

For anyone that cares...

1 Watt = 1 Joule per Second = 1(kg * m^2)/s^3 = 1(Newton * meter)/second

or electrically:

1 Watt = 1 Volt * 1 Amp

I suspect the claim of 1million watts is using the first equation rather than the volts *amps. And I image the time of spark discharge is what really makes the number so high.

I'm just guessing because I'm bored at work.

Lets say an engine is turning at 10,000 RPM (its freak'n ramped up) that is roughly 166.67 revolutions per second or a revolution every 6 ms. Lets assume that the spark occurs each revolution and that the spark also occurrs for a 100th of the time of the revolution.... so 0.06 ms spark length..

1 x 10^6 Watts = X Joules / 0.06 ms = 60 Joules Which is alot of energy... but not astronomical.

 

[Defiant]

It's all BS. Someone has to try and gather up the customers who saw through Splitfires.

2.7%? I defy you to touch anything on a car, and get dynomometer repeatability of any parameter within 5%. Let's put in a brand-new, properly-gapped set of any spark plug and see what the "improvement" is.

 

[Splitpi]

It's all BS. Someone has to try and gather up the customers who saw through Splitfires.

2.7%? I defy you to touch anything on a car, and get dynomometer repeatability of any parameter within 5%. Let's put in a brand-new, properly-gapped set of any spark plug and see what the "improvement" is.

I agree... 2.7% is pretty small and probably has that much or more variance between like motors and even the gasoline mixture.

 

[notsofastdsm55]

It's all BS. Someone has to try and gather up the customers who saw through Splitfires.

2.7%? I defy you to touch anything on a car, and get dynomometer repeatability of any parameter within 5%. Let's put in a brand-new, properly-gapped set of any spark plug and see what the "improvement" is.

I agree with defiant, I am willing to bet that 2.7% was due to have old plugs on the car previously and then throwing in those pulstars(sp???) and even then 2.7% to me seems arbitrary at low hp levels, and like defiant said getting repeatablity in any parameter on a dyno is extremely difficult if not impossible!

 

[gy2005]

Yeah, 2.7% is small, but keep in mind, this isn't the mileage gain posted by the manufacturer; they advertise 9-10%. 2.7% was the figure given by the EPA. They don't just throw figures out after a couple of dyno runs. They test these things to the point where the results are statistically significant and the variation in mileage isn't due to chance or lack of repeatability of the dyno.

I was reading about them on a STI forum and someone emailed the company asking about the plugs being used on modded cars. The response they got said that the plug heat range centers on about a 7 (NGK) so it works fine with most cars running more boost than stock.

I'm not saying the plugs are the best thing out there, but I don't think the company is just spitting out bull shit so it might be worth a try.