Second Post of Can I Do This?

[KlowdDragon]

This is a repost of my other thread that was posted before i could say something, aight, fo the guy that said get a GSX, i am, in febuary, the laser is gonna be me n my cousins project car, were gonna see what we can do with it without turbo, as for the gsx, thats gonna be my personal project, and as my cousins personal project he has an old ford truck that he's gonna start fixing up. K know i hope everything is answered for you guys, know answer this for me please, thank you.


K, this is what me n my cousin have planned for our project nt laser

First things

Full 3” Exhaust
Mass Air Eliminator
Unorthodox Pully Set
Polyurethane Motor Mounts
HKS Cams
Unorthodox Race Cam Gears
FFWD Connection Mad Springs
Manuel Transmission Swap


K then to the big things

FFWD Connection level 4.5 head
FFWD Connection "The Stroker" Shortblock with all options


Will this be possible? caus i didnt know if any of this stuff wasnt compatible with the na version of the 4g63, if any of it isnt then please let me know

 

[KlowdDragon]

This is a repost of my other thread that was posted before i could say something

that was supposed to say closed before i could say something

 

[Eclipse96Ryder]

3" exhaust is way too big...2.5" is just about as big as anybody wants to go on a non turbo

 

[KlowdDragon]

so the block and the head are ok though, caus thats all i really wanted to know about, i mean i wanted to know about the piping too but im really curious about the block and head caus that'll be tight if i can use them, make a sick a$$ nt, ima put them in my gsx too, but thats whenever i get it, and that'll take alot of saving up caus then im gonna have the car payment, uhhh, hate to think of that payment,

 

[Daedalus]

Yea. All of that is very doable. Check my cardomain site for a list of mods I did. It was a very similar buildup to what you are doing. I am very intrested in helping you out. But what you want to acheive with this build needs some tweaking and some substitution to get the best results. Let me help you out.

I would look into some Fidanza cam gears instead and if your going to go to all of the trouble with cam gears put in a HKS 264 intake cam as well. You WILL notice the difference and the car will pull up until fuel cut like a banshe. (It will sound like one too).

The motor mounts help a lot with wheel hop. You might look into getting an ACT 2100 like I did. Might save you trouble in the long run; i love mine.

Check out http://www.punishmentracing-na.com for 4G63 N/T parts. They are the only people in this community that are helping us develop parts. They are making 4-1 header and have various intake packages you NEED to check out.

2.5" exhaust is MORE than enough. You WILL lose power running 3" on a NA engine.

Take out the balance shaft... Your engine will rev much better!

Lets talk about your head choice as I am currently waiting for the arrival of my beauty for my new engine. After a lot of research here I what I decided to do.

I was going to get a Bushur Stage 3 (Not even close to your 4.5 model). It is actually so big that I would lose all port velocity going into the engine. Thus losing power on a NA motor. When you build a NA setup you cant think like with a turbo mindset of bigger is better. I did this on my first NA build up, put a Magnus Motorports Intake Manifold on the car and completly ruined the setup (no port velocity, no torque=slow).

Here is what I would do for your head setup.
- Since you are allready at FFWD get something comparable to the Connection 2 or 3 at the most for a port/polish job. Remember, bigger is not better when it comes to NA.
- 1mm. O.S. valves (you can get new ferras w/bronze guides for 188.00 shipped to your door off ebay, just look around).
- Crower Springs and Retainers. This will allow you to safely rev out to 8500-9000 rpms. It is neccesary to make a NA beast a true beast. It is where we get a lot of our power.
- Make sure you get a 3 or 5 angle valve job on your valves at a machine shop. This is very importnat!!!

Remember that head work is to NA as a properly sized turbo is to a turbo car. Pick the right stuff and you fly, pick the wrong stuff and your slow.

Lets talk about your stroker plans. First I would like to say.... DONT DO WHAT YOU PLANNED!!! If you actually pay FFWD for their kit I will hunt you down and kill you.

Call your local salvage yards and see if they have any older Hyndai Sonatas with a G4CS engine. It is a 6-Bolt 2.4 SOHC engine. You can easily get the entire engine for 300-350.00. Then take your new ported and polished DOHC head and bolt it onto the block of the G4CS. The result is a 2.4L engine with 11:1 compression (comparted to a 4g63 9:1 stock, more compression more hp) with no internal modification neccesary.

Check this link if you are a non-beliver: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100677&highlight=2.1+Liter

Your 2.3L Stroker can be had for 300 bucks. I doubt FFWD could cut you such a deal.

If you really want to go hardcore you could have some custom High Compression pistons made for your block, which is what i'm currently deciding on what to do. I am unsure if 11:1 will be high enough for me .

Hope this helps, if I forgot something sorry. PM me if you need any additional help. And please lets stay focused on topic here and keep this thread open!!!

 

[leakyfaucet]

The motor mounts help a lot with wheel spin.

I'm going to disagree with you here. They might help wheel hop, but they won't help wheel spin...

Take out the balance shaft... Your engine will rev much better!

I'm also going to disagree here. The spinning of the balance shafts wastes negligable power. You won't notice a difference. The main reason to do this is the lower the chance of timing belt failure due to a balance shaft belt breaking.

you could have some custom High Compression pistons made for your block, which is what i'm currently deciding on what to do. I am unsure if 11:1 will be high enough for me

If that's your daily driver, I would seriously plan against going much higher, unless of course you can afford to put in race gas every fill-up.

 

[Daedalus]

Yea, i meant to say wheel hop, it just came out wheel spin. Give me a break, it was a long post!

I just know that when we took out my balance shaft the engine did seem to rev more freely, but that might be just in my head. If anything its worth taking it out to lessen the risk of timing belt failure.

About the pistons, a lot of the guys at my shop want me to get them and I told them the same thing you said. I cant afford C-16 on every tank!

Thanks for pointing out my mistakes and misrepresented information. I want to make sure there isnt wrong info in this post (I dont think there is) but thanks for pointing out those couple of factors.

 

[KlowdDragon]

Lets talk about your stroker plans. First I would like to say.... DONT DO WHAT YOU PLANNED!!! If you actually pay FFWD for their kit I will hunt you down and kill you

you scare me, , jp

but hey thanks for the help, i'll look into it more now, yea we already have a custom full 2.5" setup but the muffler is a piece of $h!t so were gonna get a new one, prolly a Skunk2 Megapower or a #1 Number One Dragger Style iono, and i had never heard of doin that hyundai sway, good thing you told me earlier, haha, thats a really good deal, we can take it and totally redo everything. Were not gonna start the big things until around Febuary so we still have alot of time to get the list straight, right now all were really doing is totally redoing the intake and exhaust, every thing that leads up to the intake port and after the exhaust port is gettin traded, then were moving on to cams, thats about it for a while.

Oh and about the intake manifold you said, it would be smart for you to take it and get it liquid blasted, just find a shop to do it, thats alot better then gettin a whole new manifold.