sbr heads vs ffwd heads??

[Slowboy]

Are you adopting anyone? I'll work for PB&J sandwich's!!

No, however we are hiring again...

MGH

 

[sweet97]

Buschur has a stage 3 head that looks really nice. Hey is there such think as buying a head that flows too much for your setup? It says for over 700whp but can it still be beneficial for around 500hp? Or should I go with there stage 2?

I spoke with david Buscur and asked the same question. He said the stage 3's would not "flow too much". I suppose you could hog out a head too much for low end response but may not be revelant with our DSM's anyways, Chevy V8, YES. I am getting a stage 3 within the month, block also. Mark

 

[SlowboyCSE]

I feel pretty strongly that heads can be over ported or as some state "overly hogged out" depending on the application. If you think about velocity through the head, most guys with auto-x or road race cars, want a head with great response at low and part throttle and they are content to run a big T28 or 16G. When you compare to that drag guys, we are content to wait for 4000 rpms to make power and have no problems shifting the car at 9000 rpms if that where the power level were peak power is reached and the spinning tires come back down to the speed of the car etc. So in relation to that, it's easier to have high head velocity through a small head runner than it is through something that has a greater diameter, or in this case something that has been ported out. I hope this makes sense and that i'm not typing faster than i can think !

 

[nitrouskris]

top three port people ffwd,headgames,buschur.

 

[igorsgonemadd]

I am a good freind of darrens at ffwd. I have seen this same comment on this site like 5 times now and it just burns my ass. Darren has always built all his motors right there in his shop. When ffwd was first starting out he did use some of bj's heads, but that was all. And that was because before he started doing his own heads he wanted to make sure they were the same quality as his motors. He soon honed his skills and has done his own heads ever since. I wish people wouldnt spout things like this off unless they know for certain for them to be true. Darren has worked very hard to establish a good reputation. He is a decent honest guy and the craftsmanship and attention to detail that goes into his motors is second to none. Comments like that undermine his reputation and credibility. Afterall would you feel comfortable buying a motor from a shop, with the understanding that they were building it for you to fit your needs and then hearing they werent even the ones that built it. Well like I said that has never been true. I wont trust my dsm with anyone but darren

 

[1990EclipseGSX]

I am a good freind of darrens at ffwd. I have seen this same comment on this site like 5 times now and it just burns my ass. Darren has always built all his motors right there in his shop. When ffwd was first starting out he did use some of bj's heads, but that was all. And that was because before he started doing his own heads he wanted to make sure they were the same quality as his motors. He soon honed his skills and has done his own heads ever since. I wish people wouldnt spout things like this off unless they know for certain for them to be true. Darren has worked very hard to establish a good reputation. He is a decent honest guy and the craftsmanship and attention to detail that goes into his motors is second to none. Comments like that undermine his reputation and credibility. Afterall would you feel comfortable buying a motor from a shop, with the understanding that they were building it for you to fit your needs and then hearing they werent even the ones that built it. Well like I said that has never been true. I wont trust my dsm with anyone but darren

Exactly....

 

[definitiveno]

you guys are forgetting about FRH

Ive heard this is a great shop, how do they stack up against other builders mentioned?

 

[Skunked tsi]

The only argument for cryo-treating the head would be to help strenghten it agianst warpage under extremelly high boost. But like you stated I don't see any real world advantage for this.

Also JAM CNC ports there heads which means you now have uniformed matching ports that should flow the same across the board.
pic. of 2g port job.
http://www.jacksonautomachine.com/html/testing/index.html

But they don't offer any flow #s which if I was trying to sell something like this I would have some sort of data stating so.

Iam confused by this, wouldnt porting the intake port like they show totally defeat the purpose of the better valve angle the 2g head has to offer?
Tyler

 

[Skunked tsi]

Does anyone know??
Tyler

 

[Nt-Eclipse-Dail]

Cryo treating is expensive and not worth it IMO

I own a couple of rifles with cryo treated barrels. I have noticed when comparing barrels that are identical (except for one being cryo treated) that the cryo treated barrel does not change its 'point of impact' nearly as bad as the barrel begins to heat up. The cryo treating process relieves stresses in the metal which will cause it to warp (or flex) as it is heated up.
My cryo treated barrel can be clamped in a bench rest/vice and consistently put multiple bullets through the same hole (or darn close to it). The non-cryo barrel (after about 20 or so rounds) will start to stray a little and the holes on the target will get a little farther apart as the barrel heats. By the time the barrel is so hot that it begins smoking, the holes on the target are usually an inch or two away from where they were originally hitting... No joke, Seeing is believing...
This cryo treating process work the same way on many car parts (like brake rotors and engine internals). Heat does crazy things to metals and the cryo treating helps to lessen the effects of it...

 

[NDgsx]

Does anyone know??
Tyler

Yes it does but nobody seems to think about it

 

[gixrman]

Does anyone know??
Tyler

No, because no one will post flow #'s. Maybe if I become rich someday and buy a flow bench I'll learn at what point this all matters. But at this point I'm just trying to keep this thing running.

 

[RoasT BeeF]

Ive heard this is a great shop, how do they stack up against other builders mentioned?

One of the best IMO. But if I had to choose between ffwd and sbr, Ill take ffwd.