Recomend me Some Cams

[staflo500]

so i have an extra head that im going to have ported and i figure i might as well get some cams before i put the head on the car and also will i need valve springs or will the stock ones be fine the car is stock as of right now but i will be geting exhaust and ic pipes soon so what do you think

 

[KeltonDSMer]

If you really want to get some cams, go for the HKS 264s, they hardly affect driveablility and make a shade less max power than the 272s. Web cams are made terribly and will eventually destroy your motor, and most Crower cams are drag specs.

 

[95TalonTuner]

i know its the #1 rule for replies, but if you honestly do a search and read a few threads, youll learn a shit ton and be able to make a decision for yourself. this has been discussed a billion times. the horse is dead, so please stop kicking it.

If you really want to get some cams, go for the HKS 264s, they hardly affect driveablility and make a shade less max power than the 272s.

please dont reccommend cams for someone's setup that you know nothing about. we need to know what kind of driving he's doing and more specifically what turbo he will be running.

Web cams are made terribly and will eventually destroy your motor

wrong wrong wrong wrong. they used to be like that years ago, but now the quality control is totally up to par. web cams are great cams.

 

[KeltonDSMer]

Sorry mister GOD OF ALL DSMs, I didn't know web fixed their probelm, but I know of two people personally that had those bastards shave appart in their head and completely shot thier new built motors. Two trashed engines is enough for me not to use them; I'm glad they have fixed this manufacturing error, because they sure didn't do shit for my friends. It was basically like, "sorry, we have no insurance they were installed corectly".

Are you blind or just ignorant, he says his set-up is stock accept he will be getting some hard IC pipes and exhaust soon; I don't pull recomendations out of thin air. I'm not trying to spread misinformation, so don't talk to me like an inferior.

If this guy is porting a head, it doesn't seem like it will be very stock for long; I was using all the available information to give him a recomendation.

As far as needing to know what kind of driving he will be doing, I can't imagine any scenario at all that wouldn't benefit from the 264s--they spool the same as stock and have great off-boost performance, all while making a significant gain in torque and HP. True, a t-25 may not benefit from this, but I can assume he won't be running the stock turbo very long if he is porting the head.

 

[1fast97gsx]

If he is using a stock setup with a stock turbo chances are cams are a waste of time. I tend to lean towards the 272 272 combo on high output cars .. but if you want a street car only mildly modded do the 264 272 combo. Either way .. from the sound of it cams are a waste of time for this guy.

 

[KeltonDSMer]

Why can't I assume that he will be doing furthur modifications? No one would port the head unless they were planning some mods down the road. The biggest newbie misconception is to think that a big turbo and not much else will make you fast, not to port the damn head. It looks like this guy is building a head for a project car, not trying to find some cheap speed while he's in the motor.

Why would you guys think this car will be stock if this guy is asking questions like he is..........I don't think anyone would ask about a pair of $700 cams if he was keeping the car mostly stock.

 

[1fast97gsx]

Someone planning to port a head shouldn't be asking this question then. Hell a non ported 2g cali spec car can run well into the 11s and 1g heads flow better as it is. Someone planning to run 11s or faster should not be asking what cams to get .... Also ... anyone that mentions hard intercooler piping as an upgrade is not planning on doing anything crazy since a fmic will require new piping once again 90% of the time. A car with a smic and no mention of a bigger turbo does not need cams. 1g cams are fine.

 

[KeltonDSMer]

Not to start another argument, but a properly ported 2G head will flow way more than a stocker 1G.

Anyway, I guess I made a big dumb assumption thinking that someone porting their head would do more upgrades; what a crazy idea!

I do agree with you though that there really would be no point in getting cams if there won't be a larger turbo on there in the future; I just thought that was implied. That $700 could buy you some more fuel and a 14B!

 

[1fast97gsx]

Not to start another argument, but a properly ported 2G head will flow way more than a stocker 1G.

Yes but a non ported 2g will flow enough for 11s. Stock for stock a 1g flows better as is and this guy has a 1g.

Anyways ... assuming a larger turbo, fuel system, intercooler, headstuds and so on I'd go with 272s ... but thats just me. From the looks of it this guy is not planning on doing a lot of major upgrades and this money could be spent on better stuff such as injectors, fuel pump, and an safc.

 

[KeltonDSMer]

^^^^ Well put

I just feel there is a general concept around here that 2G intake parts suck, and they really aren't that bad.

Are 272s really so much better than the 264s at 7k+ RPM that the added power up top overcomes the loss on the bottom? It seems like the added power up top could easily be found with a SMIM, while still using the 264s for the drivability and spool characteristics as well as the awesome off-boost power compared to the higher lift/duration cams. Just a thought.

 

[Eclipst]

man, instead of u guys arguing bout this, you should just let the thread starter tell ya guys what he wants to do. just an opinion.

 

[1fast97gsx]

I saw dyno charts for 272s on a 16g and for 264s as well. The best and most streetable setup for a 16g turned out to be the 272 264 combo. On a HUGE turbo .. which is generally a drag only car ... I would recommend straight 272s. For street use I'd do the combo.

 

[staflo500]

im going to upgrade the turbo and the intercooler after i do the basic stuff im only asking the queston because its an extra head that i have and i can put it on when ever i want so i might as well do somthing to it thats going to make more power right? i was just looking to be pointed in the right direction. if stock cams and un ported is the way to go then maybe thats what ill do but i dont really know yet

 

[espinelli]

Sorry mister GOD OF ALL DSMs, I didn't know web fixed their probelm, but I know of two people personally that had those bastards shave appart in their head and completely shot thier new built motors. Two trashed engines is enough for me not to use them; I'm glad they have fixed this manufacturing error, because they sure didn't do shit for my friends. It was basically like, "sorry, we have no insurance they were installed corectly".

Are you blind or just ignorant, he says his set-up is stock accept he will be getting some hard IC pipes and exhaust soon; I don't pull recomendations out of thin air. I'm not trying to spread misinformation, so don't talk to me like an inferior.

If this guy is porting a head, it doesn't seem like it will be very stock for long; I was using all the available information to give him a recomendation.

As far as needing to know what kind of driving he will be doing, I can't imagine any scenario at all that wouldn't benefit from the 264s--they spool the same as stock and have great off-boost performance, all while making a significant gain in torque and HP. True, a t-25 may not benefit from this, but I can assume he won't be running the stock turbo very long if he is porting the head.

KeltonDSMer i'm with you. personally, i think this guys thinks he's the mad scientist from the fast and the furious. what more does he need to know...what size shoe you wear? what's the span between your index finger to your wrist? WTF?

I would go with HKS cams any day over web or crower cams. well worth the additional money. personally, i would probably do some other upgrades before dumping money into a new head and cams first.

 

[STECARS]

I saw dyno charts for 272s on a 16g and for 264s as well. The best and most streetable setup for a 16g turned out to be the 272 264 combo. On a HUGE turbo .. which is generally a drag only car ... I would recommend straight 272s. For street use I'd do the combo.

The best combo that was tested for the 16g was 264/264. The 264/272 only produced 1 hp more , but the off boost was not as good as stock , were the 264/264 was better than stock.
here is the link for everyone to see

http://www.automotosports.com/cam_test.asp



hope this helps .

 

[KeltonDSMer]

That's the article I based my recomendation off of. The amount of power gained up top with the 272s didn't seem significant compared to how well the 264s performed off boost and didn't affect spool time.

If someone wants even more up top than the 264s can give, a well designed intake mani will affectively move the torque curve, making huge gains on top. Check out RMDSMs intake mani testing information and see for yourself how much a IM can change the power curve of the 4g63 just like some higher duration/lift cams.

 

[Jwipf]

I have a set of cams.. They are brand new.. When I say brand new I mean they are new never been used still in the box and Crower just released them. They are supposed to be the exact same as the HKS 264/272 combo.. I know slowboy racing sells them for 530 bucks.. I would be willing to sell them for less if you would like them.. But anyways hit me back.. My email is [email protected]

 

[95TalonTuner]

Are you blind or just ignorant, he says his set-up is stock accept he will be getting some hard IC pipes and exhaust soon; I don't pull recomendations out of thin air. I'm not trying to spread misinformation, so don't talk to me like an inferior.

im neither, but youre clearly retarded. hard ic pipes and exhaust hardly qualify the motor for cams, so please stop giving terrible reccomendations. his mod list is nonexistant. you should know better than to reccomend cams for a motor thats about to "be all upgraded with hard pipes". pbth.

The biggest newbie misconception is to think that a big turbo and not much else will make you fast, not to port the damn head.

one of the top ten misconceptions is to port and polish everything, starting with the head. "im gonna port it all out and then polish with my 5 angle valve job y0".

 

[95TalonTuner]

I have a set of cams.. They are brand new.. When I say brand new I mean they are new never been used still in the box and Crower just released them. They are supposed to be the exact same as the HKS 264/272 combo.. I know slowboy racing sells them for 530 bucks.. I would be willing to sell them for less if you would like them.. But anyways hit me back.. My email is [email protected]

This guy wanted some the other day.

 

[95TalonTuner]

KeltonDSMer i'm with you. personally, i think this guys thinks he's the mad scientist from the fast and the furious. what more does he need to know...what size shoe you wear? what's the span between your index finger to your wrist? WTF?

remove yourself from the gene pool.

 

[staflo500]

im neither, but youre clearly retarded. hard ic pipes and exhaust hardly qualify the motor for cams, so please stop giving terrible reccomendations. his mod list is nonexistant. you should know better than to reccomend cams for a motor thats about to "be all upgraded with hard pipes". pbth.



one of the top ten misconceptions is to port and polish everything, starting with the head. "im gonna port it all out and then polish with my 5 angle valve job y0".

dont be a reatrted i will be doing alot of stuff to the car its only a matter of time the head i am talking about is an EXTRA it is NOT on the car and wont be for awhile i was asking so i know whats good and whats not so dont be a douche about it and im not a f&f ricer like you obviously think

 

[awd4g63]

HKS cams are pretty straightforward from what I've seen. I've seen good success with them in all applications. A friend of mine on here has had very good output with the 272/272 combo, although he's running a 60-1. There's some other people I know have the 272/272 combo on 16g+ turbos and are really pleased with the performance.

I haven't had much experience with other cams, so I really can't say much about that.

 

[95TalonTuner]

dont be a reatrted

HAHAHHAHA!

i will be doing alot of stuff to the car its only a matter of time

like what? we need to know to answer. your original post totally implied that you were putting it on your car and you were getting "pipes and an exhaust". who are we to assume otherwise.

either way, tell us what youre doing if you want a fair answer.

so i know whats good and whats not so dont be a douche about it and im not a f&f ricer like you obviously think

if you know whats good and not, why did you make a thread titled "recomend me some cams"?

 

[KeltonDSMer]

Why the ### attitude? I assumed he was going to upgrade the turbo; just a few posts ago he said that was correct. You act like you know so much about DSMs, that is why I barely come here to "TOONERS". You obviously know what you are talking about, but why do you think everyone else isn't? Coming from RMDSM where 90% of the regulars know far more than you, I just thought this guy was going to furthur modify his car because he is doing some serious head modifications; and he is.

You know your stuff, but don't automatically assume people are deuch bags if they ask for some help with a cam recomendation, Jesus.

Don't quote me if you can't read the damn posts, fool. Come to 6000ft and run some decent numbers with 12psi of atmospheric presure, then talk some shit about how much you know.

Have fun being a ####ing dick the rest of your life. :thumbdown

 

[95TalonTuner]

Why the ### attitude?

the attitude started with your second post.

I assumed he was going to upgrade the turbo

but to what!?! noone knows. thats why its rediculous for you to tell him what cams to get. cam choice is based on turbo and type of driving. you know neither of those.

Coming from RMDSM where 90% of the regulars know far more than you

rather bold statement. we havent even started talking technical yet. why are you assuming so much in this thread?

You know your stuff, but don't automatically assume people are deuch bags if they ask for some help with a cam recomendation, Jesus.

i have no problem with the people asking. i have a problem with the people giving blind recommendations.

Don't quote me if you can't read the damn posts, fool.

what?

Come to 6000ft and run some decent numbers with 12psi of atmospheric presure, then talk some shit about how much you know.

no thanks. but if my mommy would cut me a check for some expensive car parts, id be running some awesome #'s. then i could talk all kinds of shit.