Pro's and Con's of swapin an EVO I,II,III into 2G

[uvbneclipsed]

Alright kids its time for everyones favorite game, just playin, I just bought and evo engine and wanna find out the pros and cons and everyones opinion. Also correct me if Im wrong when purchasing bolt ons and possibly internals Im going to be ordering 2g parts, correct? Begin............................

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

It's a much worse motor then a first gen motor, and about 4x the cost. Yes, its a 7 bolt. Small ports, small intake manifold, slightly larger TB. Nicer turbo, but its dead on a 2g engine. Still can crankwalk, I believe.

 

[rarson]

What the hell is with all these "Can I swap an EVO motor into my car" threads???



IT'S POINTLESS, JUST ####ING FORGET ABOUT IT!

 

[ZyklonBZombie]

i agree ... "i have a jdm engine in my car" ... 6 bolt 1g engines are superior to evo engines (in my opinion) ... plus alot cheaper. you can build up a 1g or 2g engine w/ forged pistons,rods and cams for the price an evo engine. it's almost like the honduh guys with 99-00 civic si's (with the b16) and swapping ### engines in ... WTF they are the same thing ... in my opinion when buying jdm or evo engines you are basically paying for the name.

 

[white 2g awd]

What the hell is with all these "Can I swap an EVO motor into my car" threads???



IT'S POINTLESS, JUST ####ING FORGET ABOUT IT!

i guess i don't understand this...cause evo 3 and lower engines will fit, evo 4 and up are switched.....(meaning they wont) and he is asking about the evo 1, 2, and 3.....read before getting all pissy....if he wants to spend his money on and evo engine, let him. it will fit with some modifacation, like egr and such, and get 2g parts for it.

Dustin

 

[rarson]

i guess i don't understand this...cause evo 3 and lower engines will fit, evo 4 and up are switched.....(meaning they wont) and he is asking about the evo 1, 2, and 3.....

I understand this. It's just, since the EVO VIII finally came stateside, everyone and his brother with an Eclipse wants to see if an EVO engine will fit in their car. The only engines that fit are the I-III's and they are basically the same motor as the 2g engine. So it's absolutely pointless to spend the extra money on the EVO engine for what is basically a 2g motor. Not only that, but they won't even fit into a 1g (I realize his car is a 2g, that's why I said it's pointless, but people have been asking that question too).

And damn, I knew this 8 years ago when I first got my car. How? I searched around; why do people seem to be inept at doing this these days?

 

[gixrman]

[/QUOTE]And damn, I knew this 8 years ago when I first got my car. How? I searched around; why do people seem to be inept at doing this these days?[/QUOTE]

because we are fat lazy americans who want everyone else to solve are problems for us.
execpt the french who are smelly and ungratfull also. :laugh:

 

[TERBOLASER]

WTF if youw ere gunna get a Evo engine why would you get the first 3 of the evo generations. man if i was gunna swap a evo motor it would be the 2002-2003 motor.

 

[leakyfaucet]

man if i was gunna swap a evo motor it would be the 2002-2003 motor.

That would be a neat trick...

 

[Eclipse96Ryder]

WTF if youw ere gunna get a Evo engine why would you get the first 3 of the evo generations. man if i was gunna swap a evo motor it would be the 2002-2003 motor.

wouldnt fit

 

[EvolvingGST]

I understand this. It's just, since the EVO VIII finally came stateside, everyone and his brother with an Eclipse wants to see if an EVO engine will fit in their car. The only engines that fit are the I-III's and they are basically the same motor as the 2g engine. So it's absolutely pointless to spend the extra money on the EVO engine for what is basically a 2g motor. Not only that, but they won't even fit into a 1g (I realize his car is a 2g, that's why I said it's pointless, but people have been asking that question too).

And damn, I knew this 8 years ago when I first got my car. How? I searched around; why do people seem to be inept at doing this these days?

If you could get a cheap Evo III engine it would be a good thing... yes its a 7 bolt but from what I know only the Evo IVs have crankwalked... and in design it could be a little worse off than a 1g engine... but it comes with a couple of great things that you could not receive on a 1G. Far superior internals, the weight of the pistons are ultra light compared to the 1 and 2gs and have a higher compression about a .25 difference... The cyclone intake manifold which if ported out a bit might be better, but it kinda is a waste of time... but if you are looking for top end that is one way... It comes with 510 injectors with a Evo 16G...

If you could get a engine with decent internals and turbo and injectors for cheap its worth the price... I also believe the cams(in different generations they use different cams so I could be wrong) are superior too... and maybe it came with a ralliart head gasket(not sure, I am refering to Mitsubishi 4 Layer Metal head gasket)?

so if we had answers to a lot of these things maybe it would be a decent deal... but more than likely it is not...

Plus the one with a JDM engine, are you sure you have an Evo engine... those are really rare to come by... most people have galant VR4 engines... AND you have a 1g... if you read RRE's page they say Evo engines dont fit in 1gs.

 

[greyforestgst]

wouldnt fit

anything can fit in any car

most of the time its just not worth the price and trouble

 

[TERBOLASER]

man yall need to to think out the box just cause you dont got the mounts dont mean it wont fit you make it fit

 

[white 2g awd]

What the hell is with all these "Can I swap an EVO motor into my car" threads???



IT'S POINTLESS, JUST ####ING FORGET ABOUT IT!

now this is were you are valid, why would somebody spend so much money/time to swap a stock engine in there car? to say i have an evo 8 motor?? its nothing that special compared to a built 6bolt.

man yall need to to think out the box just cause you dont got the mounts dont mean it wont fit you make it fit

 

[uvbneclipsed]

You people need to start from the first thread that way you know what to talk about. Where the hell did you come up with swappin an EVO 8 into a 1g or 2g? Thats not what was posted. All I wanted to know is if anyone actually knows anything about the EVO III motor. Is it good? Is it bad? What is the deal with this engine compared to a regular 2g engine? Internally what is different about these engines, compression ratios, plenum sizes, etc. Would a stock 2g head be better than the head that came on the EVO III? This is all just general information I would like to find out before and while Im doin the swap. So if you dont know the information, dont bullshit me, I have the same interest as all of you, so lets maybe help each other out and that way we can get all of our projects on the road.


Derek

 

[98evoIIIpwr]

Fist off why does it seem like every time someone talks about a evo III motor jealousy kicks in. Of course its expenisve (con) and a 6 bolt is cheaper. Of course you could spend extra money to upgrade the 6 bolt. What if ( and I say this because of what happend to me) someone got an evo III motor ( and yes a real evo III motor ) for about a grand. Then would it be worth it. The evos come with forged internals (big pro) the 6 bolt does not. It does have thick stong rods but they are not forged. The c/r on an evo motor is a little higher though (con). An evo 16G turbo which is capable of 550cfm (pro) thats 45 cfm higher than the big 16G. It also comes with 510cc injectors (pro) which are not the biggest but will do the job. I also dont understand why people think that the evo III motor has the cyclone manifold. That manifold is the 4G that has 220hp and you can't use the cyclone manifold anyways without the computer. The throttle body on the evo III motor is much bigger than the TB on my 2g (pro) I think it is 60mm just like the 6 bolt. Considering the evo III is a 95 motor it most likely has less miles on it than any 6 bolt you can get (pro). The evo comes with a titanium valve cover which looks good (pro). And to make a long story short the motor has 270hp and 228 ft/lbs of torque (pro). And last but not least who wouldnt like to say that they have a rally champion built motor in their car (pro to anyone who knows anything). NOw I am not a closed minded and I know 6 bolt motors are awesome so dont get me wrong. I would take a DSM over any other car even near its price range. I just dont understand why people dog the evo so much and dog the swap. It does bolt right into a 2nd gen (pro) so it is not a bad swap if you get a good price on the motor. So what I am trying to say is I dont want people responding to me with bad attitudes saying how wrong I am. I base everything on fact. I will say I am in the same boat with all my fellow DSMers and I love the cars and always will. Now add up those pros and cons and you tell me. If anyone has any other advice let me know because I have the evo III motor and anything I can find out would be appreciated.

 

[97spydagst]

You people need to start from the first thread that way you know what to talk about. Where the hell did you come up with swappin an EVO 8 into a 1g or 2g? Thats not what was posted. All I wanted to know is if anyone actually knows anything about the EVO III motor. Is it good? Is it bad? What is the deal with this engine compared to a regular 2g engine? Internally what is different about these engines, compression ratios, plenum sizes, etc. Would a stock 2g head be better than the head that came on the EVO III? This is all just general information I would like to find out before and while Im doin the swap. So if you dont know the information, dont bullshit me, I have the same interest as all of you, so lets maybe help each other out and that way we can get all of our projects on the road.


Derek

hey man sorry for everyone being a dick they have been like this latley i hope u find out what u need good luck

 

[Injected]

The c/r on an evo motor is a little higher though (con).

This might not be such a bad thing as long as you don't plan on running an insane amount of boost. The VIII's C/R is 8.8 and they make a good amount of power in the low/mid 20psi range. It's not like it's 11:1. A lot of people who build their engines to support the smaller and faster spooling turbos bump their compression to 9:1.

I just ran the Injector size on my desktop dyno and the 270hp is supportable with the stock 550's. If you plan to go higher, say 300awhp (figure this is 80% of your power after drivetrain loss so 360 flywheel hp) you will need to go to 750's.

 

[98evoIIIpwr]

Hey not to change the subject but any suggestions on how much boost would be safe on the evo III motor. I have the stock 510cc injectors and a walbro 255lph hp fuel pump. I also have a huge fmic with 2.5" piping. I know they say to upgrade your fuel system before running high boost but what is efficient with this setup? I almost got the car running just need to put the battery and radiator back on and route the piping and walaa. Thanks in advance for any input.

 

[danamo250]

98evoIIIpwr thanks for the helpful advice unlike some of the other people who missed the point of the thread. I am really interested in doing this swap and I was wondering where you got your motor? Anybody with suggestions on where I should get an evoIII would be much appreciated.

 

[98evoIIIpwr]

Hey I actually got my motor from a local japanese engine place here in California. I actually got pretty lucky with getting the motor. I got the whole setup for 1100 bucks. They guy really didnt know what he was selling. If you look around maybe youll get lucky too. I just called around to a lot of places and checked out as many of the motors as I could to see if I would get LUCKY, and I did..

 

[tstkl]

i know this is somewhat off topic, but why cant an evoIII motor fit in a 1g. i mean a 1g engine can fit in a 2g cant it?doesnt make sense to me...

 

[Injected]

Can some one tell me what engine it is that has the red top w/ cyclone?

 

[suicidal2af]

Can some one tell me what engine it is that has the red top w/ cyclone?

JDM GVR4.

 

[Injected]

JDM GVR4.

Thanks. Someone approached me to purchase this engine, but I know that the cyclone intake requires a different ECU (correct me if I'm wrong). Is the JDM GVR4 6 or 7 bolt?