Poll: Which Turbo Exhaust Manifold

[Slippi84]

"Port your stock 2g manifold, You'll be better off. If for some reason you must get one of those, Weld a support bracket from one flange, To the other.... On each side.. A total of 2 support brackets"

"They're both pieces of shit. Nick from SLS has a good post around here somewhere discussing how he has more invested in materials on his manifolds that what these cheap POS's cost."


"I bet the stock 2g manifold flows better then the 2 he listed, just port it.."


"Theres a reason why shearer, fullrace and victory performance manifolds are 6x the cost of the ones you posted. All of them will out perform and outlast any ebay manifold. I'd say if cash is kind of tight get a dnp. There great manifolds but arent quite as much as the ones I listed above. I use a victory performance manifold and I have no regrets on spending the extra money for it.
03-25-2006 12:59 PM "

"Either way, Get one if you want... But when you want a 2g ported manifold again, Port your stock one and get it back on the car. The stock 2g manifold is way more then sufficent for you."




WHy don't you ask these people the same ? I don't have dyno sheets but atleast I have first hand experience. If you want to think i'm full of shit that's fine but my new setup is just about done and I will be takin this setup to the dyno. I mainly race in "alternative places" but I have a gtech pro SS and I plan on going to the track. I will make sure to film everything so there will be no disputes either. Untill then lets agree that no one has 100% proof so untill then butt dynos and hear say are all that exsist.

 

[larsrya8]

WHy don't you ask these people the same ? I don't have dyno sheets but atleast I have first hand experience. If you want to think i'm full of shit that's fine but my new setup is just about done and I will be takin this setup to the dyno. I mainly race in "alternative places" but I have a gtech pro SS and I plan on going to the track. I will make sure to film everything so there will be no disputes either. Untill then lets agree that no one has 100% proof so untill then butt dynos and hear say are all that exsist.

I started my post by showing that despite quoting 1993eclipseGS's questionaire (which usually implies an answering of each question) you only answered 1 of 5. It's fine if you don't have numbers at the moment; I look forward to your dyno results. Please find someone to donate you a 2G manifold, though, if you're going to use the dyno results to prove something.

I purposely left my post open-ended to invite anyone to interject with experience and maybe even numbers. I don't feel like digging up old threads made by others with first-hand experience... I'm tired, and all that searching is quite exhausting. I'm personally not a fan of eBay, but that's for other reasons (friends being ripped off, buying "sight unseen", etc). But even if I did trust eBay, I'd never buy one of the knock-off manifolds just to "see if it works". I don't like spending money without knowing what I'm buying is a consistently reliable product, even if I might be pleasantly surprised.

It's usually nice to see someone try to prove that the majority opinion is flawed, but it looks like you're going to have a hard time convincing most seasoned DSMers without hard numbers to prove gains. You're also fighting against all the negative experiences of several of those DSMers. Good luck Slippi84.

 

[Slippi84]

I started my post by showing that despite quoting 1993eclipseGS's questionaire (which usually implies an answering of each question) you only answered 1 of 5. It's fine if you don't have numbers at the moment; I look forward to your dyno results. Please find someone to donate you a 2G manifold, though, if you're going to use the dyno results to prove something.

I purposely left my post open-ended to invite anyone to interject with experience and maybe even numbers. I don't feel like digging up old threads made by others with first-hand experience... I'm tired, and all that searching is quite exhausting. I'm personally not a fan of eBay, but that's for other reasons (friends being ripped off, buying "sight unseen", etc). But even if I did trust eBay, I'd never buy one of the knock-off manifolds just to "see if it works". I don't like spending money without knowing what I'm buying is a consistently reliable product, even if I might be pleasantly surprised.

It's usually nice to see someone try to prove that the majority opinion is flawed, but it looks like you're going to have a hard time convincing most seasoned DSMers without hard numbers to prove gains. You're also fighting against all the negative experiences of several of those DSMers. Good luck Slippi84.

Fair enough. I respect you for not being naieve and overly opinionated about this issue as most are concerning this issue. I understand that ebay parts are frowned upon but I look at ebay as more of a wholesale opportuninty than a place to buy cheap shit. If you can buy a ferrari on ebay I honestly don't think that it can be that bad of a place to shop at . BUt on a serious note I know that people consider my setup risky I even had one guy tell me I was cutting corners by buying xspower parts along with some of the other stuff I have. My goal (which is VERY obtainable is to be a pump gas(w/ water injection) 500awhp dd high 10 second car. When that goal is achieved I will have videos and dyno slips and whatever else anyone wants to show people that these parts do work.

 

[90blacktsiawd]

I've had experience with a ss autochrome header. Since ss autochrome and xs power seem to be the same company i figure this will apply. The manifold moved the turbo about an inch forward, 1-1.5 inches down and alittle to the drivers side. I couldn't get my downpipe to line up correctly without twisting my flex section in the dp quite a bit. At that point i took it off and threw my 2g manifold back on. No numbers or reliability issues as i didn't have it on the car long enough to even start it.

On another note, even some of the more expensive ones move the turbo alittle bit and still have a tendency to crack.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209945

Case and point, this link is to a pic of my old SBR tubular manifold. It was on the car for maybe 5k-6k miles. The obvious crack i don't need to point out but if you notice the light red circle towards the head flange it was also cracking in there. Now this is a 500 dollar manifold and it still cracked in a short period of time. I know it's not one of the manifolds you asked about but giving alittle feedback on a tubular manifold that's "supposed" to be better quality than the ones listed can't hurt.

 

[silkcity100]

i just took my 2g manifold out to have it ported n polished but had it sandblasted first to clean it up , IT WAS FU.... CRACKED so all you people that talk like the 2g manifold is the GOD of manifolds and say PORT IT AND BE DONE NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT CRACKING AND IT FLOWS MORE THEN THOSE CRAPPY EBAY TUBULARS ,should take their ported 2g out n check, mine was cracked at the divider(turbo flange) all the way to the top of the manifold,i had the cover on so never noticed

 

[larsrya8]

i just took my 2g manifold out to have it ported n polished but had it sandblasted first to clean it up , IT WAS FU.... CRACKED so all you people that talk like the 2g manifold is the GOD of manifolds and say PORT IT AND BE DONE NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT CRACKING AND IT FLOWS MORE THEN THOSE CRAPPY EBAY TUBULARS ,should take their ported 2g out n check, mine was cracked at the divider(turbo flange) all the way to the top of the manifold,i had the cover on so never noticed

Yeah the 2G manifolds crack too. Not nearly as often as the 1G's are reported to though. It's the Evo3 manifolds that are claimed to be "crack proof". What are your plans now?

 

[silkcity100]

trying to find some used dnp`s or weld the stock 2g ,but its cast and theres a lot of porting to do,the runners are tapered real bad by the turbo flange,there is no way these 2g`s even ported are going to outflow any tubular`s.
i would have to spend the whole weekend porting and spending like $30 on the bits,or i could find a used dnp or find a good ebay tubular and weld supports to them.

 

[underradar92]

It'd be interesting to see a comparison of the used dnp vs. the e-bay header (hint, hint),If you manage to score one of each.

 

[larsrya8]

I completely forgot about evil_eagle.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216828
692WHP and 567 torque... using a ported 2G manifold. That appears to be the limit of the 2G manifold. Not too shabby.

Good luck with whatever you decide. I'd vote for either the Evo3 manifold, or maybe the older version of SBR's cast manifold. Both are relatively inexpensive, and you should be able to fit your heat shield over them. I'm still a firm believer that tubular manifolds just aren't made for the street (no matter who makes them) and that a cast manifold is always the better/safer decision.

 

[blue1]

I have an XS power one to a T3 flange for my Holset Hx35, the only thing i have found wrong with it is the flanges weren't flat and the gaskets they supply are crap. had the flanges skimmed used a genuine metal manifold gasket and a stainless shim gasket at the turbine. the quality of the manifold in the welds and the tubing (1.6mm) was really good. i think the trick to keeping any tubular manifold in one piece is to brace the turbo properly and allow for expansion, i dont care how many little bits of bracing they do at the at the flange plates when the manifold is glowing red its as soft and pliable as a strip of lead and when you have 20 to 30 lbs of turbo hanging off it, the flex section of the exhaust aint going to do sh-t in supporting it.
The one i bought off ebay had no joins in the pipes they were full mandrel bends and came with an XS power 42mm external waste gate, for $345 AUS delivered i'm happy!! and they have both seen 8000km's on my daily driver.

 

[v2ner]

I'm up for Shearer.

 

[eclipse08]

I have the SBR cast manifold, ported, and have had no problems with it what so ever. I absolutely love it Fitment was great, peforms very well, and wasn't (too) expensive. Just do some research on different manifolds and go with what suits YOU and your budget best.

 

[NewB2dsm]

I completely forgot about evil_eagle.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216828
692WHP and 567 torque... using a ported 2G manifold. That appears to be the limit of the 2G manifold. Not too shabby.

Ported 2g manifold has gone mid 9's on Darryl Hudsons car. Its more than enough for 99.9% of this site.

 

[Turbocharged]

My vote is for the ported 2g as well. If you are a 1g guy, you can find a used one for cheap and porting is free. Personally, I think a good O2 sensor housing is more important.

 

[MaNGiNa24]

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http://www.turbochargers.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=38_27&products_id=121

This is the best option right now.

DNP's million dollar manifold is the same design as all of those ebay headers, all are technically equal length and will outflow a stock/ported manifold simply because they are tubular manifolds. Materials are the only difference. 90% of those manifolds all use mild steel flanges and ss304 piping. Some are thick, some are not.

Reliability = cast manifold

Performance = tubular

I'm sure so and so made this much power on a ported stocker, but I'm sure he would have made more with a tubular manifold.

 

[revision27]

buy the ebay junk and take some nice pics of it before you put it on your car. then make sure to post pics when it cracks. and to those of you who say that those crap ebay headers flow WAY more than a 2g than you have obviously been misinformed. if you buy cheap parts thats what you get but be my guest to learn the hard way.

 

[Slippi84]

buy the ebay junk and take some nice pics of it before you put it on your car. then make sure to post pics when it cracks. and to those of you who say that those crap ebay headers flow WAY more than a 2g than you have obviously been misinformed. if you buy cheap parts thats what you get but be my guest to learn the hard way.

Well I have pics of it now inn my profile and when i'm running faster than your POS camaro I'll be sure to post some more pics of me going by you with my junk manifold that you obviously have never owned used or seen in person

 

[revision27]

ooooo i can go get my pos talon that i sold to my buddy and run faster than you ever will pal. believe me ive seen your awesome manifold crack many times...in fact i have had to fix them so dont tell me ive never seen them smart ass.

 

[revision27]

and the only reason i have a camaro is that i wanted to try something new. i haven't posted on this site in a long time but i have been looking to buy another talon as a project. i dont want to get into a pissing match on this site because its retarded. however i stand by my previous statement that ebay, ss autochrome, pacesetter, etc. headers will crack or break eventually. 2g/evo/sbr manifolds have proven their performance and durabuilty time and time again. yes a tubular header will increase spool up time and net you whp, but if your gonna do it, why buy a cheap one? good luck with your car slippi84 but i am almost going to garuntee you will run into issues with your header after daily driving the car...if you do that.

 

[MaNGiNa24]

buy the ebay junk and take some nice pics of it before you put it on your car. then make sure to post pics when it cracks. and to those of you who say that those crap ebay headers flow WAY more than a 2g than you have obviously been misinformed. if you buy cheap parts thats what you get but be my guest to learn the hard way.

Hey asshat, if you took the time to think and/or research before you make false statements, you'd see that those manifolds are direct replicas of EQUAL LENGTH DNP headers. The only difference is the material used for the flanges and the amount/areas of welds you ####ing tool.

They do flow WAY more than a stock header and do a very good job at smoothing out your tq curve.

That manifold will most likely crack with time, but so won't any other tubular manifold you buy unless it's properly supported. With proper support it'll only crack due to expansion cycles instead of expansion cycles as well as unneccessary stress from engine movement as well as supporting a good a mount of weight from your turbo (downpipe does a good job).

I'd recommend getting a support fabbed up if you are gonna get one/put it on, otherwise you better hope they answer their phone/emails when you want to claim your warranty.

 

[Slippi84]

ooooo i can go get my pos talon that i sold to my buddy and run faster than you ever will pal. believe me ive seen your awesome manifold crack many times...in fact i have had to fix them so dont tell me ive never seen them smart ass.

COme on man i'm not gonna act like i'm 2 years old and be like I can go get my buddies uncle's mother's sisters car that she owned in 1991 game with you Great you have seen them paifl newsflash I have seen plenty 2g's crack too. These are dsm's stuff breaks live with it. That doesn't mean that every single manifold that comes from XS power or ssautochrome w/e is bad. I have run two and neither cracked and had problems. I sell them with my turbo when I upgrade and get new ones cause as a package deal a turbo and manifold sells faster then just a turbo.


Back to what matters this is a poll not a product bashing session. Everyday its' a new dsmer who thinks he's a mechanical wizard or god gift to cars and knows everything about everything and his experience with a given product is law I bet if guys like you don't go around trash talkin the company so much it wouldn't have such a bad name. Tubulars need to be well taken care of and some times just don't work out on dd cars. A DNP will break under the same situation the XS power will.

 

[revision27]

can you show me dyno sheets that can prove that those ebay headers will flow WAY more or make WAY more power than a 2g manifold? WAY more to me is 30-40whp which i dont think they can do...but hey im an asshat i could be wrong

 

[Slippi84]

Hey asshat, if you took the time to think and/or research before you make false statements, you'd see that those manifolds are direct replicas of EQUAL LENGTH DNP headers. The only difference is the material used for the flanges and the amount/areas of welds you ####ing tool.

They do flow WAY more than a stock header and do a very good job at smoothing out your tq curve.

That manifold will most likely crack with time, but so won't any other tubular manifold you buy unless it's properly supported. With proper support it'll only crack due to expansion cycles instead of expansion cycles as well as unneccessary stress from engine movement as well as supporting a good a mount of weight from your turbo (downpipe does a good job).

I'd recommend getting a support fabbed up if you are gonna get one/put it on, otherwise you better hope they answer their phone/emails when you want to claim your warranty.

 

[revision27]

COme on man i'm not gonna act like i'm 2 years old and be like I can go get my buddies uncle's mother's sisters car that she owned in 1991 game with you Great you have seen them paifl newsflash I have seen plenty 2g's crack too. These are dsm's stuff breaks live with it. That doesn't mean that every single manifold that comes from XS power or ssautochrome w/e is bad. I have run two and neither cracked and had problems. I sell them with my turbo when I upgrade and get new ones cause as a package deal a turbo and manifold sells faster then just a turbo.


Back to what matters this is a poll not a product bashing session. Everyday its' a new dsmer who thinks he's a mechanical wizard or god gift to cars and knows everything about everything and his experience with a given product is law I bet if guys like you don't go around trash talkin the company so much it wouldn't have such a bad name. Tubulars need to be well taken care of and some times just don't work out on dd cars. A DNP will break under the same situation the XS power will.

its my old car with the mods i did and the car has been in storage until maybe a month ago.

 

[Slippi84]

can you show me dyno sheets that can prove that those ebay headers will flow WAY more or make WAY more power than a 2g manifold? WAY more to me is 30-40whp which i dont think they can do...but hey im an asshat i could be wrong

SHow me a dyno why don't you take you and your NOOB acting self and go search. Every post about tubulars and every article about tubular not to mention everyone here that has used a tubular knows they flow more and have better spool in some cases not as much a diffrence as others but 99.9% of the time they outperform stock.