Piston rings replacement

[osiris]

So it starts....This is my first major work I NEED to accomplish on my broke down beast.I have searched a few places for a walk through,but unfortunatly cannot find a straight forward answer..I recently recievd may car back after a balance shaft removal,new machined crank and oil pan.But now the car wont stay alive...I installed new plugs and within seconds all four were fouled black(white smoke).Im assuming the rings are allowing oil past them or it could be the valve seals(i hope not).
From what Ive read(Haynes),it only explains how to service the pistons with the entire engine removed. I was wondering if there is a way to get to the pistons(rings) without removing the entire engine.
Help would be greatly appreciated or a link would be ideal...please guys have mercy I have a frickin 28.8(on a good day) connection...So my searches take years.If someone can help me through this i will buy u a beer

 

[dsmturboawd]

take the head and oil pan off, push the pistons from the bottom and theyll pop out from the top.

haf fun.

 

[osiris]

Exactly my thoughts ....Now do u mean by rotating the crank?And then after that do I just remove the pistons from the rods?Or do I have to
remove the rod and piston together?

 

[Mike1992]

pistons have to come out with the rods

 

[unlikely hero]

I havn't done it on a dsm yet but I know on my old car you would have to remove a lower cradel before you can get to the rods. Then one by one unbolt the rods and push the pistons through the top. You'll have to rotate the crank to get to each rod. Its really not that hard.
=Jason-

 

[BUCK]

new machined crank and oil pan.

Are you telling us someone put Rods & Pistons back on a new Crank with Old Rings? Old rod bearings? That would be madness!

This could be a bad ECU - bad HG - or any number of other things - Do a Compression check before you rip into it & report back.

 

[osiris]

Originally posted by BUCK
Are you telling us someone put Rods & Pistons back on a new Crank with Old Rings? Old rod bearings? That would be madness!

This could be a bad ECU - bad HG - or any number of other things - Do a Compression check before you rip into it & report back.

Yea its kinda a long story...The oil pan was dented so when it was originally fixed with brand new rings,the entire time my car was getting starved of oil.The light would come on I checked for leaks and found none.So I didnt think too much of it, I just added more oil.Well the oil starvation caused more heat so that wore the rings.And now the guy that just did the crank,fixed the oil pan and pick up line.And at that moment it drove fine,it smoked a little at first but that went away.I drove it maybe 15 miles and then it started.

So I pull the head and pan,unbolt the rods from the crank,rotate the crank for every piston and just push them through?
And for the installation can they go in the way they came out or do I have to push them back through from the bottom?

Thanks guys for all the help
(thats alot of beer I have to buy )

Oh and by the way the rod bearings are brand new.

 

[osiris]

Ok Im gonna get my hands dirty this weekend(get your mind out of the gutter).Now my next question is:
Does anyone have a quick more straight forward approach to removing the head?
Something I can go by step by step.Ive read a long article that was posted here and that one is great ...but he talks about replacing alot of parts and I dont have the time or money to do all that..
Im planning on doing head gasket,rings and timing belt.And if anyone can answer the previous questions i would appreciate it

So I pull the head and pan,unbolt the rods from the crank,rotate the crank for every piston and just push them through?
And for the installation can they go in the way they came out or do I have to push them back through from the bottom?

 

[Defiant]

I don't think you're going to revive that engine.


Find another and start over.

 

[osiris]

Ive put way too much in at this point to start over.Evnthough the thought has crossed my mind

 

[osiris]

Ok I did the compression test yesterday and here are the results
4:130 dry 140 wet
3:135 dry 140 wet
2:150 dry 150 wet
1:150 dry 150 wet

From http://www.dsmgrrrl.com/FAQs/compression.htm it says service limit is 121psi
Now from that info my rings are not in the red to be serviced but what could it be now,maybe head gasket?Or should I assume it is the rings and go ahead and prepare to take off the head and oil pan for the rings replacement?

I am pretty confused at this point ..ill do another test today just to recomfirm the numbers

 

[BUCK]

Sounds like it could easily be ECU to me... Check your Caps.

 

[osiris]

Originally posted by BUCK
Sounds like it could easily be ECU to me... Check your Caps.

It does smell fishy in my car from time to time... ill check it.
I looked at it last time but I didnt see any sign of burn marks.
What exactly do I need to look for?
And what would a faulty ECU have to do with the fouled plugs and white smoke?

Thanks for the help

 

[ARTSUPRA]

if it smokes WHITE all the time, even after you drive it for 20 minuts then your Head Gasket is most likly blown, if that's the case your car has to run very rouph.

 

[BUCK]

osiris: And what would a faulty ECU have to do with the fouled plugs

Bad ECU's can fail to WOT on the Injectors & flood Cylinders - foul Plugs & eventually flood Crankcase with Gas.

 

[osiris]

Good points...
The car starts, idles rough and then dies.If I give it gas I can keep it alive but after a few seconds even at WOT it will die.The white smoke is not constant and Ive checked the coolant for oil and oil for coolant,both negative.Now the oil does have small bubbles...does that indicate a problem?
And Buck,if the engine was flooded with fuel wouldnt the plugs still be clean?This was my original problem which has supposedly been fixed.My plugs are fouled black immediatly...
Im sorry to be a pain but this is mad confusion,for me atleast.

 

[BUCK]

Originally posted by osiris
And Buck,if the engine was flooded with fuel wouldnt the plugs still be clean?This was my original problem which has supposedly been fixed.My plugs are fouled black immediatly...

I think they foul trying to fire under too rich a condition - When I bought mine it did the same thing - Power Steering Fluid leak killed Voltage Regulator = killed ECU - When T/Belt jumped time a few months later I found a badly bent rod from trying to compress Gasoline so be careful &check Crankcase!

 

[ARTSUPRA]

easy way.........look in the cylinder right after shutting the car off, do you see water?!?!?

If you do you know it's HG