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eclipsetuner23

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May 6, 2009
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Okay im really sorry if this is a re-post but i can't find a thread anywhere! I really want some help on what parts i NEED or what parts are the BEST to do a lower end rebuild and upper rebuild to make around 500to 550 hp and how much it will cost? Again i'm sorry if this is a re-post...
 
Hey. First of all not to sounds like an ass or anything but are you positively sold on building up a 420A, Have you considered a 4g63 with a basic performance rebuild with just mild bolt ons and tuning could get you 400+. To reply to your ? do some research on the topic ask people who have built up the 420 and boosted it into the range you are looking for. Buy the best parts you can afford. My general rule about building motors is. If I want 500 I build the motor to take 650. You will also have to spend money in your drive line to beef it up and make it take the punishment your going to lay on it. Getting 500 hp even from a 4g63 costs a few thousand bucks no matter how you cut it. The engine has no prob taking the power its the rest of the parts around it that need to be updated and made stronger to take it. I spend more money around the engine to beef parts up than I generally do on the rebuild itself. That kind of power can kill you reallly reallllly fast man, for the number you are trying to hit I would consider a cage and some harnesses also. Good luck man i hope i gave you at least something you are looking for. :thumb:
 
A grand will not even come close to 500 hp. You cant rush dude thats rule # 1 it only leads to heart break. I dont think you can get the fuel mods to support 500 whp for 1000 bucks. I would take that grand buy some headers full exhaust intake and some cams and maybe some spray and call it a day. Set a budget for basic hp upgrades not a 500whp set up. I have learned that the budget goes out the window 9 times out of 10 for anyting over stage two.
 
LOL oh ok that changes everything. Are you going to get a donor motor to build first of all? If yes start with picking the parts of your rotating assembly. Along with all hardware and bearings and gasket set. Take the whole block and your new parts to a machine shop and let them machine everything to fit and assemble the short block. Take the head to the machine shop and have them tear it down and check it. You will DEF need to get some port work on that head I would also suggest over sized valves and better springs and cams along with the accompanying parts. Choose an intake and exhaust manifold that suits the spool charastics and flow that suits your purpose. Select Fuel system upgrades Ie pump, feed and return lines, filter, AFPR, rail and injectors, Now its time to start thinking about turbo and fuel/engine management. The turbo is one of the most important things other than the controllers to me because it decides how the car will make the power. Choose something with good flow charistics compared to spool time. Bigger is not always better :nono:. Buy a tuning device that you can use without a college degree, LOL To go along with the controller buy a wide band o2 or knock box type product. I would also suggest an alky injection system. You will need an external gate depending on the turbo you choose, An alum rad if you want, An intercooler you have options there too air to air, water to air. You will want to buy some gauges to monitor egt, oil pressure etc etc as well,. You will also want to upgrade your spark delivery system. A C.O.P is the choice for many but there are several paths and options to choose from. When you have your long block done start looking for a good tranny to go with it along with axles. A new clutch will be in order as well. That should be a good start.
 
Thank you thats is what i was looking for! Some good advice if i might say so. And yes i'm trying to get my hands on a used 420a so i can take my time and build myself. What do you suggest for pistons and rods? what compression should i go with? and what about valves and springs and cams? thank you for your help!!!
 
I suggest get the best parts you can afford most of the good/better stuff on the market will serve you well. Compression I like 8.5/1 but again choose what is going to fit what you are trying to do with the car. I have seen cats run 10.5/1 on a turbo motor and higher but its a matter of longevity @ that point.
 
Hey. First of all not to sounds like an ass or anything but are you positively sold on building up a 420A, Have you considered a 4g63 with a basic performance rebuild with just mild bolt ons and tuning could get you 400+. To reply to your ? do some research on the topic ask people who have built up the 420 and boosted it into the range you are looking for. Buy the best parts you can afford. My general rule about building motors is. If I want 500 I build the motor to take 650. You will also have to spend money in your drive line to beef it up and make it take the punishment your going to lay on it. Getting 500 hp even from a 4g63 costs a few thousand bucks no matter how you cut it. The engine has no prob taking the power its the rest of the parts around it that need to be updated and made stronger to take it. I spend more money around the engine to beef parts up than I generally do on the rebuild itself. That kind of power can kill you reallly reallllly fast man, for the number you are trying to hit I would consider a cage and some harnesses also. Good luck man i hope i gave you at least something you are looking for. :thumb:

Don't post junk like this, he asked for a part list not eclipse model advice... I hate when people do stuff like that. :notgood:
 
1st off get walbro 255 fuel pump. You can get some high injectors as long as you have a way to control them, I suggest you get mega squirt. Grab some some low compression pistons, since lower compression are a bit easier to tune, and get some eagle rods. Cosmetic MLS head gasket, with ARP main/head studs. The rest can be OEM. You can use a Hahn's 20g turbo with a t3/t4 turbo manifold to get your 500HP. Get a 3" cat back, I like Megan racing. Those are just some tips.
 
i agree with user 22 on the list so far MEGA SQUIRT definitely,
Use an obx or venom intake manifold ( don't listen to any of the garbage about them i have had mine in for almost 2 years no problems at all, plus its the only intake option we have.)

Guys you should look into in the dsm community for advice are Darkchild racing he has one of the nicest boosted 420as i have seen with an obx ram horn manifold.

the head do an angled valve job how many is your choice, 1mm over sized valves, you can look into a new head if you want to use NOS i forget the exact name at the moment but i know a different head does exsist for are cars.

Crower stage 3 cams

Titanium vavle springs and retainers from crower are also an option

you can save money on the coil pack really by using an accel as msd does make one accel is 20 bucks less usually.

for a huge amount of boost look into a q45 throttle body and have it welded to the intake manifold like DSM_ZERO has done(posting 661hp on a 420a)

With putting that much hp in a 420a frame you are gonna need to think about stiffening up the sub frame. better axles to hold your boost.

Now as for a clutch you can read all day long on which and what to dos about this category. The truth is for that much power look towards neon's clutch assembles u need to mix and match for the best configuration (bullettdsm runs a ERT LSD NON modular clutch set-up; Audi PP, T4 Dodge disc, Neon Flywheel) and that's in a NA 204 HP setup

these are some ideas for a 500 HP setup

Also a good site for any 420a build is 2gnt.com

hope this helps you get started
 
i just looked into MN emissions testing it seems as if it does not exist in your state in which case lose all your emissions controls remove your egr valve (CImotorsports.com offers a kit) look for a 3 inch NA test pipe or if your gonna run a turbo cat back system look into a turbo test pipe

CAUTION: A TURBO TEST PIPE AND A NA TEST PIPE ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT

whats the difference you ask, the flanges do not line up one flange is slightly turned on a NA test pipe the turbo test pipe flanges are in line with each other
 
the first thing you need to buy is $1.00 note book, take lots of notes, look at others build ups, Bank the cash for a few months before you buy anything.

reserch...reserch reserch, the net, in books go to car shows talk to anyone with a decent engine

after you do many hours of research, build ups, parts, shops, machine work, ect..
read your notes then start getting your parts list bought, not only will you have to get the engine parts and the bolt ons, but the supporting eletronics.

Dont get me wrong.... if you fall into a great deal jump on it, if it is something you have on your list.

Have you ever built an engine? even a box stock one?

but for what your talking, you will need to replace everything for the most part, except the major castings, Head , block and crank, well maybe even the crank.

here is a tread to a guy who is talking about the same thing you are for the most part...

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/343795-420a-reinforced-rebuild.html
 
I asked a question, Thats all .I hate when people do what you just did.

So what if you asked a question... He didn't come here for that. PERIOD. He didn't ask you for your opinion on engine platforms, or what platform you have, or anything of that matter. I'm pretty sure that if he really a 4g63 platform, or if he could could get a 4g63 platform then he would have it. He asked for help with his 420a part list. End of story...

PS: Clean up your sentence.
 
PS You do the same but complete your sentence there bucko. It was a question he gave an answer and i followed with the information he wanted if you had read he liked what I had to say and did not comment on the 4g63 idea so that shows how much he cared. You obv on the other hand just want to look like some hero I told quazar off i am soo cool. grow up dude it was a question not an invitation for you to open your mouth and say this and that, PERIOD "I'm pretty sure that if he really a 4g63 platform, or if he could could get a 4g63 platform" Really what huh yeah thats what I thought. I believe that called being Hippocratic, Have a nice night OHH and seven grand will buy you any stock six bolt 4g63 on EARTH
 
PS You do the same but complete your sentence there bucko. It was a question he gave an answer and i followed with the information he wanted if you had read he liked what I had to say and did not comment on the 4g63 idea so that shows how much he cared. You obv on the other hand just want to look like some hero I told quazar off i am soo cool. grow up dude it was a question not an invitation for you to open your mouth and say this and that, PERIOD "I'm pretty sure that if he really a 4g63 platform, or if he could could get a 4g63 platform" Really what huh yeah thats what I thought. I believe that called being Hippocratic, Have a nice night OHH and seven grand will buy you any stock six bolt 4g63 on EARTH

Maybe he doesnt want a 4g63, maybe he wants to be a bit different. Yes 4g63s are great but my personal opinion is the trans feels like sh*t compared to the 420as, again thats my opinion you cant expect everyone to do what you do and to take the easier route, in the end the hard work IS worth it,I respect 4g63 owners who put time into building there cars but i dont respect the ones that feel it necessary to preach the all mighty 4g on everyone. Damn dude he asked for a list not for you to hate on him.
 
1st off get walbro 255 fuel pump. You can get some high injectors as long as you have a way to control them, I suggest you get mega squirt. Grab some some low compression pistons, since lower compression are a bit easier to tune, and get some eagle rods. Cosmetic MLS head gasket, with ARP main/head studs. The rest can be OEM. You can use a Hahn's 20g turbo with a t3/t4 turbo manifold to get your 500HP. Get a 3" cat back, I like Megan racing. Those are just some tips.
:notgood: :notgood: :notgood: :notgood: :notgood: :notgood: :notgood: :notgood: :notgood: :notgood: :notgood: :notgood: :notgood: Whats a high injector an injector that ripped some tubes and is all not trying to pulse. Mega squirt sucks to tune if you are not experienced. I HAD NO IDEA YOU CAN TUNE YOUR COMPRESSION. :notgood:, He can get 500 hp out of his stock cams and valve trane... NO :notgood: He wont need new bearings :hmm: your saying if he wants to just go ahed and make 500 hp off his stock injectors and lines with no AFPR with a 255 but if he has a way to control them to put some inebriated ones in there. :notgood: maybe you should read what you say to people before you attack what others say, At-least i gave him 90% of what he needed and somewhat answered his question. You just said a bunch of stuff you know nothing about and call it a 500 hp set up. hey guy take this guys advise and run his set up and see what happens. Oh and considering your list of mods include JACK and SHIT your engine building skills and understanding of how to make a set up of this caliber is worthless at best. Does your 99 stock gst have a 420A I didnt think so.
 
Maybe he doesnt want a 4g63, maybe he wants to be a bit different. Yes 4g63s are great but my personal opinion is the trans feels like sh*t compared to the 420as, again thats my opinion you cant expect everyone to do what you do and to take the easier route, in the end the hard work IS worth it,I respect 4g63 owners who put time into building there cars but i dont respect the ones that feel it necessary to preach the all mighty 4g on everyone. Damn dude he asked for a list not for you to hate on him.

your an idiot also show me where I said anything negative about the 420a. I ASKED HIM IF HE CONSIDERED IT PLEASE READ> SHOW ME WHERE I SAID DO WHAT I DO. DEF DEF DEF DEF SHOW ME WHERE I SHOWED ANY HATE> and def def ef show me where I preached anything about the 4g63. OH YEAH thats why he thanks me for my two cents. you and user 22 need hooked on phonics neither of you can read or interpret what people say and thats just plain as day. I want you to get a mod in here so he can see how much of an idiot both of you are then slap you both for not understanding the language you speak.
 
:notgood: :notgood: :notgood: :notgood: :notgood: :notgood: :notgood: :notgood: :notgood: :notgood: :notgood: :notgood: :notgood: Whats a high injector an injector that ripped some tubes and is all not trying to pulse. Mega squirt sucks to tune if you are not experienced. I HAD NO IDEA YOU CAN TUNE YOUR COMPRESSION. :notgood:, He can get 500 hp out of his stock cams and valve trane... NO :notgood: He wont need new bearings :hmm: your saying if he wants to just go ahed and make 500 hp off his stock injectors and lines with no AFPR with a 255 but if he has a way to control them to put some inebriated ones in there. :notgood: maybe you should read what you say to people before you attack what others say, At-least i gave him 90% of what he needed and somewhat answered his question. You just said a bunch of stuff you know nothing about and call it a 500 hp set up. hey guy take this guys advise and run his set up and see what happens. Oh and considering your list of mods include JACK and SHIT your engine building skills and understanding of how to make a set up of this caliber is worthless at best. Does your 99 stock gst have a 420A I didnt think so.

You're an complete IDIOT. You can't spell, or make a complete sentence. You can't even tell the difference between a quick info guide and a complete write-up. How do you get by in life with elementary grammar skills? You should send me your address, and I'll send you a nice Hooked On Phonics gift package this Christmas. Go DIAF.

Looking at your noobish paragraph makes me want to punch dolphins...

Also for the record I have a 99 GS and 99 GST, so I know both engine platforms.
 
your an idiot also show me where I said anything negative about the 420a. I ASKED HIM IF HE CONSIDERED IT PLEASE READ> SHOW ME WHERE I SAID DO WHAT I DO. DEF DEF DEF DEF SHOW ME WHERE I SHOWED ANY HATE> and def def ef show me where I preached anything about the 4g63. OH YEAH thats why he thanks me for my two cents. you and user 22 need hooked on phonics neither of you can read or interpret what people say and thats just plain as day. I want you to get a mod in here so he can see how much of an idiot both of you are then slap you both for not understanding the language you speak.

Your post shouldn't have had 4g63 anywhere in it. This isn't a 4g63 thread, it's a 420a thread and we "can't interpret what people say"? LOL dude you're a joke. No 4g63 suggestions or advice should be ANYWHERE on this thread, since it has nothing to do with the topic. PERIOD.
 
Dudes you all are great advice givers so i appreciate all the help!!!!!:hellyeah::hellyeah:

And also thanks for the parts list in the pm box! So i haven't ever done a build but i have a 420a on an engine stand in my kitchen and i'm ripping it apart to find it has a spun bearing... So what should i have checked before i start adding any parts?
 
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