Oil feed line is leaking.

[DAILYTSI]

First let me just day hi this is my first post. I am about to purchase a 95 2wd TSi and I have a concern. The car has a 6bolt swap, Pacestter manifold and a stock turbo. My first concern has to do with the the oil feed line. It is leaking pretty badly and I don't see a bolt to hold it in place it almost appears as if the line is just stuff down in the hole, I know this can't be correct but I am not sure what this fix is. Is the line damage or is there just something missing. I have tried to search for a close up of the turbo but I can find one. Also while I was doing research I found a webiste that was showing very detailed pictures of the 2g engine bay along with the descriptions and name of parts that you can click, but I can't seem to find it again. If someone could tell me the address to that website I would be very greatful.

 

[No_Skillz]

Virtual Tour of the DSM Engine Bay - Quadrant map

What do you mean by the oil feed line is just stuffed down a hole? There should be a small fitting on the CHRA that holds the oil feed line to the turbo. Please be more descriptive or post a picture. Also, with a bad feed line, your turbo might be shot. Test for shaft play and oil in the intake, check if oil is burning off, and see what the boost characteristics are like.

 

[DAILYTSI]

That is it!! Thank you, I am adding it to my fav. list now. Sorry i should have been more descriptive the oil feed line is in the oil feed hole on the turbo itself but there is oil spilling out like it is not sealed. I don't see any fitting on the oil feed line and that is what seems strange to me. Do you have a picture of a proper oil feed line and the fitting? I have been scared to boost the car because of the oil coming out. I hope that description helps

 

[Defiant]

Search "Pacesetter". Adjust your bid appropriately.

 

[DAILYTSI]

Search "Pacesetter". Adjust your bid appropriately.

I am not sure what you are saying? I know the pacestter manifold is crap (just like evrything else they make), but I am not sure how that would cause the turbo feed line to leak. could you inform me please?

 

[airmail96]

I assume the banjo bolt is in there or else it wouldn't be held in there . Other things that could cause a leak like that would be the copper crush washers not making a good seal, the banjo bolt not being tight enough, or do i dare say maybe the threads are stripped, but I seriously doubt that. I would say the copper crush washers are probably crapped out easy fix. But than again if you buy a car with one problem you never know how many others could be laying around.

 

[kahl23]

I am not sure what you are saying? I know the pacestter manifold is crap (just like evrything else they make), but I am not sure how that would cause the turbo feed line to leak. could you inform me please?

I believe defiant just wanted you to know that the car would be worth more with the stock manifold in place, so that you aren't raising your bid for a "performance" part.

 

[DAILYTSI]

Does anyone have a pictures of the stock oil feed line so I have something to reference when a look at the car next time,because I don't see any kind of fitting or any sign of a crush washer being there at any point in time. Also what are some of the ways that I can make sure that my turbo is the stock one?

 

[No_Skillz]

That is it!! Thank you, I am adding it to my fav. list now. Sorry i should have been more descriptive the oil feed line is in the oil feed hole on the turbo itself but there is oil spilling out like it is not sealed. I don't see any fitting on the oil feed line and that is what seems strange to me. Do you have a picture of a proper oil feed line and the fitting? I have been scared to boost the car because of the oil coming out. I hope that description helps

I don't have a picture nor do I have a stock turbo to take a picture of. Could YOU post a picture so I have a clearer idea of what you're talking about? Right now it doesn't sound to me like there is a leak there. That line is pressurized when the car is on and if it were not attached to the turbo correctly it would look more like an oil geyser than an oil leak (speaking from personal experience). With that said, keep a close eye on your oil level in case what I described is the problem.

 

[DAILYTSI]

I will take a picture. It does only leaks when the car is running it is not a spray but more like a constant oozing out.

 

[DAILYTSI]

Well I am still leaking oil. I bought a new oil line from the dealership and installed it but the line is still leaking. The oil isn't coming from around the threads of the line but it is actually coming from the top of the fitting. I looked at the diagram while I was at the dealership and I didn't see any orings or gaskets so i am not sure what I missing. Has anyone else had a problem like this?

 

[No_Skillz]

You're sure this is your oil FEED line to the turbo? If I remember correctly the stock setup has 3 seperate segments. Plus, you said your turbo had no fitting, just the line somehow going into the turbo, so how did you install this new one? Please be more descriptive, you've totally lost me.

 

[BigSorn]

it should go.


banjo fitting
crush washer
feed line
crushwasher
turbo

 

[No_Skillz]

it should go.


banjo fitting
crush washer
feed line
crushwasher
turbo

I believe you are speaking of the coolant lines. We are speaking of the stock oil feed (or at least I thought we were) on a T25.

 

[BigSorn]

hmm


I know that's for my 14b, thought it was the same for the t25.

 

[DAILYTSI]

You're sure this is your oil FEED line to the turbo? If I remember correctly the stock setup has 3 seperate segments. Plus, you said your turbo had no fitting, just the line somehow going into the turbo, so how did you install this new one? Please be more descriptive, you've totally lost me.

Sorry about not be descriptive enough. The fitting was covered in some kind of sealant and dirt so I couldn't see everything but with alll of that cleared out of the way I could see the fitting. The threads on the line (at the turbo) looked really bad so i figured that was the problem so I replaced it but the problem still remains. I hope that helps.

 

[architechnik]

I still couldn't make any assertions from the information given whether you were referring to the oil feed line, oil return line or either of the coolant lines.

Is this where you are talking about: http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8011/00004798hx.jpg
If the oil feed line is leaking at the point where it attaches to the block, the only seal on that connection is the crush washers for the banjo bolt. If the threads are leaking, then you'll need to put a dab of sealant when reinstalling after cleaning the whole thing out.

If it's at the turbo end, then a sealant might not be the best choice although may be necessary instead of replacing the entire turbo.

If the leak is at the oil return line, there is a gasket that fits between the turbo and the piece. It's a flush fitting without any recesses and can leak profoundly, especially if there is any blockage in the return line. There you can just use a bunch of sealant/gasket maker.

 

[DAILYTSI]

I still couldn't make any assertions from the information given whether you were referring to the oil feed line, oil return line or either of the coolant lines.

Is this where you are talking about: http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8011/00004798hx.jpg
If the oil feed line is leaking at the point where it attaches to the block, the only seal on that connection is the crush washers for the banjo bolt. If the threads are leaking, then you'll need to put a dab of sealant when reinstalling after cleaning the whole thing out.

If it's at the turbo end, then a sealant might not be the best choice although may be necessary instead of replacing the entire turbo.

If the leak is at the oil return line, there is a gasket that fits between the turbo and the piece. It's a flush fitting without any recesses and can leak profoundly, especially if there is any blockage in the return line. There you can just use a bunch of sealant/gasket maker.

It is the turbo oil feed line. My turbo oil feed line is made of two pieces. One line comes from the oil filter and the moves toward the turbo where a second line screw into it and that line continues on to the top of the turbo where it screws into the turbo and that is where the oil is leaking from. I replaced the second line and it still leaks. While I was as the dealership I looked at the diagram of the oil feed line and I did not see any crush washers or gaskets. Please tell me that helps...!!

 

[architechnik]

Ok, yeah. Just grab some copper crush washers and use those. They will seal that up real quick in comparison to not using anything. If the connection is anything but completely flat then it will leak without a crush. The copper is soft and will fill whatever gaps and let you get a tight seal.

 

[DAILYTSI]

Where can I get copper crush washers that small?

 

[No_Skillz]

The feed fitting on the t25 is NPT, so you shouldn't need a crush washer. Have you tried tightening it some more? Is it leaking from the CHRA-fitting area or the fitting-feed line area?

 

[DAILYTSI]

The feed fitting on the t25 is NPT, so you shouldn't need a crush washer. Have you tried tightening it some more? Is it leaking from the CHRA-fitting area or the fitting-feed line area?

That is what I thought too. I tightened the line down with a line wrench until it wouldnt turn anymore. I am not sure what CHRA means, but the line isn't leaking around the threads it is leaking from the gap inbetween the line and the top of the fitting. Where the line comes through the fitting. Damn I wish I had a picture, my digital cam is so crappy I can't get a good photo. This is getting on my nerves I never had any issues like this with my Supra oil feed line. That is beside the point I just want to fix this oil leak and drive the car.

 

[toojung2die]

That is what I thought too. I tightened the line down with a line wrench until it wouldnt turn anymore. I am not sure what CHRA means, but the line isn't leaking around the threads it is leaking from the gap inbetween the line and the top of the fitting. Where the line comes through the fitting. Damn I wish I had a picture, my digital cam is so crappy I can't get a good photo. This is getting on my nerves I never had any issues like this with my Supra oil feed line. That is beside the point I just want to fix this oil leak and drive the car.

CHRA = Center Housing Rotating Assembly; guts of the turbo. Many more DSM acronyms are defined here:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/fre...ssary-acronyms-abbreviations.html#post1757486
Stock turbo? If it's a T25 or equivalent then the oil feed line is a flare fitting like you find on a hard brake line. There should be a "nut" (what you're calling the fitting?) on the oil line to connect the line and compress the flared end into the hole in the CHRA. Take the whole thing out and look at the condition of the flared oil line and the threads on the fitting. If it is damaged or cross threaded then you should fix the flare fitting, replace the line with a new one, or get an upgrade stainless steel tubing replacement kit like this:
Forced Performance Turbochargers: FP 2g Oil Supply Line

 

[DAILYTSI]

CHRA = Center Housing Rotating Assembly; guts of the turbo. Many more DSM acronyms are defined here:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/fre...ssary-acronyms-abbreviations.html#post1757486
Stock turbo? If it's a T25 or equivalent then the oil feed line is a flare fitting like you find on a hard brake line. There should be a "nut" (what you're calling the fitting?) on the oil line to connect the line and compress the flared end into the hole in the CHRA. Take the whole thing out and look at the condition of the flared oil line and the threads on the fitting. If it is damaged or cross threaded then you should fix the flare fitting, replace the line with a new one, or get an upgrade stainless steel tubing replacement kit like this:
Forced Performance Turbochargers: FP 2g Oil Supply Line

Thank you for clearig that up for me. I will removed the line and inspect the threads. Should there be any threads showing once the line is tight? I have been looking at those stainless steel lines but I wanted make sure the it works with the stock line before I upgrade just incase I need the extra money if the turbo is the problem.

 

[DAILYTSI]

It all make sense now!! I don't have a T-25 like the previous owner told me. I have a 14-B!! That probably explains a few other little quirks the car has. I guess I should start looking for a 6 bolt into 2g swap guide so I can figure out what else the previous owner missed. Thanks for all the help guys!!