No tb elbow??

[S_Ranger]

I like my 2g tb elbow but I don't like the pieces I have to join together...

Anyway, I have a 1g tb so do I take a tb elbow to tb gasket to a muffler shop>get a flange made, then weld a pipe on it?

I mean how is that flange going to bolt up when I have 2 studs and 2 bolts?

 

[ndsti]

Not quite sure what your asking here, please elaborate!

 

[RedTurboEclipse]

Not quite sure what your asking here, please elaborate!

Ditto. Confusing.

The basic bolt on ic piping usually replaces the stock throttle body elbow, unless you get a greddy. I don't see anything wrong with either. Don't see the point in wasting time/money/effort going to weld whatever your thinking of, unless you are going to do a full straight custom short route to a huge fmic.

 

[S_Ranger]

What I mean is, get rid of the 2g elbow, and make a custom one piece pipe that replaces it at a muffler shop... from the tb all the way to the smic.


How is that done? What do I ask for to get it done?

 

[GSXspeeddemon]

very confusing but I kinda get what you are saying. Use a NT throttle body and you dont have to worry about your studs. The make a pipe with and appropriate angel and use a coupler.

 

[ndsti]

Search throughout some of the vendors here, they have made pieces like you are describing. But if you insist on making it yourself, cut a 2g TB elbow so that you have just the flange. Clean it up of course, then take the flange to the shop and ask them to weld a pipe on to the flange so that it routes to the SMIC. Thats it your done.

 

[S_Ranger]

Search throughout some of the vendors here, they have made pieces like you are describing. But if you insist on making it yourself, cut a 2g TB elbow so that you have just the flange. Clean it up of course, then take the flange to the shop and ask them to weld a pipe on to the flange so that it routes to the SMIC. Thats it your done.

Ya, that's what I'm saying...Isn't the 2g elbow aluminum though?

I hear you can't weld stainless steel to aluminum....

 

[gixrman]

What I mean is, get rid of the 2g elbow, and make a custom one piece pipe that replaces it at a muffler shop... from the tb all the way to the smic.


How is that done? What do I ask for to get it done?

Well you can't have one continious pipe from the TB to the IC you need flex points in there somewhere to allow the motor to flex. Secondly if your not upgrading to a larger 1G TB why are you putting a 1g TB elbow on there any way? And lastly DO NOT use steel piping for IC piping its rusts and will seriously f-up your car. Aluminum or SS.

 

[TSi16GAWD]

He's talking about 1 full piece from throttle body to the intercooler, no couplers or joints. There are a few companys that have that option. You just have to look around.

 

[Black_Bullet]

I use the non turbo 1g tb which is slightly bigger and has no elbow, just couplered my custom intercooler pipe onto it like if it was a non turbo intake pipe.

 

[S_Ranger]

I use the non turbo 1g tb which is slightly bigger and has no elbow, just couplered my custom intercooler pipe onto it like if it was a non turbo intake pipe.

Pics?

Oh, and I have the 1g tb installed and I plan on using ss for my piping. Forget that aluminized crap.

So what's the deal, can I do this or not?

 

[RedTurboEclipse]

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[Black_Bullet]

Pics?

Oh, and I have the 1g tb installed and I plan on using ss for my piping. Forget that aluminized crap.

So what's the deal, can I do this or not?

Sorry I dont have pics, dont have a digital camera or anything.

 

[ndsti]

You can not weld dissimilar metals! So unless your going to get a flange cnc'd out of SS, what you are speaking of can not happen. Unless you use alum. piping so that you can weld the TB elbow flange to the piping.

 

[S_Ranger]

You can not weld dissimilar metals! So unless your going to get a flange cnc'd out of SS, what you are speaking of can not happen. Unless you use alum. piping so that you can weld the TB elbow flange to the piping.

"Ya, that's what I'm saying...Isn't the 2g elbow aluminum though?

I hear you can't weld stainless steel to aluminum...."


I already covered it. I'm probably gonna get it done by this weekend so stay tuned to this thread. I'll post pics.

 

[ndsti]

You can't weld ss and alum because non ferrous and ferrous metals have different properties. Think in the term of magnetic and non magnetic; magnetic can only weld to like magnetics and visversa.

 

[oldman]

Well you can't have one continious pipe from the TB to the IC you need flex points in there somewhere to allow the motor to flex.

Did you read this part?

And fill out your profile.

 

[kenamond]

I have the Dejon kit. The UICP is two pieces, and it replaces the TB elbow. This is aggravating when you want to take the pipe off, as you have to pull the TB off and reseal it (boost leaks). I'm not familiar with the N/T TB, but if you'd end up in this situation, I'd highly recommend putting a coupler near the TB. I've thought about cutting my Dejon pipe, having the ends beaded, and adding a silicone coupler so that I wouldn't have to pull the TB.

 

[Black_Bullet]

I have the Dejon kit. The UICP is two pieces, and it replaces the TB elbow. This is aggravating when you want to take the pipe off, as you have to pull the TB off and reseal it (boost leaks). I'm not familiar with the N/T TB, but if you'd end up in this situation, I'd highly recommend putting a coupler near the TB. I've thought about cutting my Dejon pipe, having the ends beaded, and adding a silicone coupler so that I wouldn't have to pull the TB.

No, the n/t tb doesnt have to be removed to remove the pipe unless you welded the pipe to it. Just removal of the coupler... Like i said, think n/t intake pipe, youd have a pipe then a coupler holding it to the tb . Reason i said that I just didnt want to confuse anyone with thinking the n/t tb was unable to accept intercooler piping because it didnt have an elbow. Also my intercooler pipe is customized a little ( home welded )
But what i might have added now that i think of it, the n/t tb has no bends since no eblow therefore faces directly towards the strut tower, most intake pipes approach the t/b at an angle, well my battery is relocated so my piping is able to do an upside down L shape to reach the tb...

Heres a pic similar to how my upper intercooler pipe runs mind you that this no way in hell is my engine bay
and i DONT have no were near this many mods. I believe this is top street or some 9 sec dsm gurus engine and I have huge nasty unproffesional welds on my rigged together piping, not this nice chrome unit .

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[S_Ranger]

^ Nice! I seen those intercooler things in the magazines. I don't know what they are called but you weld 2 bungs and snap a bar on top of them to prevent the pipe from coming off.

Sweet..

 

[tkelly27]

Just to make sure everything is clear here.

You can't weld aluminum to steel. You could probably epoxy it, but that would be silly.

You don't want your TB elbow to be welded to your pipe directly. Just like the flex section in the exhaust, a non-rigid coupling isolates the TB elbow from the large torque arm of the pipes. Additionally, to take off the IC pipe, you'd have to take off the TB elbow and that would be a PITA.

I'm assuming you are wanting to create your own IC piping, and that you have the pipes you are going to use laying around. If I were you, going to the welding shop tomorrow I'd take a piece of intercooler pipe and my TB elbow and say to them "I want this to be the same size as this pipe without the elbow." Then I assume they will chop the elbow off and weld up an aluminum piece on the end. You'll end up with something that's exactly like a 1G NT throttle body, only with an extra gasket. Then you'll have to have a sharp 90 off of that and whatever else you're going to do with your IC piping.

I don't think battery location is a big deal. I was looking at doing my IC today and I'm pretty sure I can stuff 3" piping up in there.

 

[Big Woo]

I have used the 1G NT throttle body several times for this with Greedy and other UICP. I see no reason why this would not work with a custom pipe and a 45 or 90 degree silicone coupler (depending on how one routs the piping).

I agree with (kenamond) that the pipes like the Dejon ones although nice are more difficult to work with, when the upper IC pipe needs to be removed.

 

[gixrman]

Did you read this part?

And fill out your profile.

Sorry sometimes I'm not as clear as I want to be. From previous experience not giving the IC pipe any where it can flex under load usually ends up with a blow off coupling. Making a rigid UIC pipe is just asking for a leak or failure somewhere. I ended up using 2 hump hose connectors at the GM MAF on mine which gives it adiquit room for movement.

And to KENAMOND this is what I did. I had the same problem everytime I wanted to take the UICP off so I added a v-band at the TB and made up these W/I disconnects so it would be easier to change out the nozzles. They will be o-ringed, I just ran out off shielding gas so I could'nt finish them today.

 

[oldman]

Sorry sometimes I'm not as clear as I want to be. From previous experience not giving the IC pipe any where it can flex under load usually ends up with a blow off coupling. Making a rigid UIC pipe is just asking for a leak or failure somewhere. I ended up using 2 hump hose connectors at the GM MAF on mine which gives it adiquit room for movement.

My post was for OP, I was pointing out how important your post was and it seemed like he just skipped right over it.