No 4G63...Not a DSMer? Your opinion please.

[SpawnedX]

I would like to start off this post with simply stating this: I am not trying to put anyone down or be a jerk, I know not everyone can afford a top of the line model and if you are happy with your car then you understand what it means to be an enthusiast. I also understand there is nothing wrong with a non-4G63 engine and have no beef with anyone who has it or wants to be considered a DSMer, but I need some sort of general basis on this argument that seems to find it's way to every DSMer gathering I have been too.

I have a 4G63 as you can see by my 1997 Eclipse GST. What I want to know is if a non-4G63 is considered a DSM, meaning a 420A. DSM = Diamond Star Motors, which is a collaboration between Mitsu and Chrysler, which spawned the engine we affectionately know as the 4G63. The 420A engine, which is found in Eclipse RS and GS trims is an engine entirely developed by Chrysler. It is not a bad engine, but without argument it is in no means a match for the 4G63. I guess all I want to know is if someone who is driving an Eclipse/Talon/Laser that is not a 4G63, can we really include this as a DSM and why?

My opinion is no, but like I said, that is my opinion.

 

[aaronm_2003]

I'm gonna have to go with "yes" on this one. Like I said in the other post we were chattin in, we both have the same names on our asses. I think it's more of the car than the engine. But thats just my two cents.

 

[ShadowWulf]

Wanna get technical?

Youre a 2g.....so youre not even a DSM if you look at it strictly.

420A, 4G63, Spyders, Lasers, hell even Stealths/3000gt's i consiter to be DSM's. Damn lets not get all car-nazi on each other and accept our cars, and others, for what they are.

Damn nice cars.


EDIT: Please lock this someone, this topic has been done to death and frankly im sick and tired of people telling me and others were "Not DSM". Load of crap.

 

[SpawnedX]

Wanna get technical?

Youre a 2g.....so youre not even a DSM if you look at it strictly.

420A, 4G63, Spyders, Lasers, hell even Stealths/3000gt's i consiter to be DSM's. Damn lets not get all car-nazi on each other and accept our cars, and others, for what they are.

Damn nice cars.


EDIT: Please lock this someone, this topic has been done to death and frankly im sick and tired of people telling me and others were "Not DSM". Load of crap.

I should probably add an ammendment so people don't get the wrong idea, this is not meant to knock anyone, but a teammate and I are in a little bit of an opinion argument and are looking for opinions from other people in the DSM society just to see what the general consensus is.

 

[97TSIAWD]

I mean technically if you look at what DSM stands for and the production/car companies involved and what eventually died out then a lot of DSM'ers are not actually DSM'ers at all. Lets actually look at it in a positive light, DSM is a community not a car. Granted it is a community based on our cars, but it isn't one that we wholely discriminate on cars/motors. This community we have a forum for non-turbos that don't use the turbo 4g63, and although yes many people put them down they are welcome here by most. So it is more of a people thing, imo, then a car thing. But if someone with like a colt puts a 4g63 in his car I don't consider him a DSM, same with the stealth/3000gt. I still think of the dsm as the laser/eclipse/talon up until the end of 99 even though it was no longer being built as a dsm.

 

[TSiGoesPsSsSst]

Well I consider N/T 2Gs DSMs...Would I ever buy one?No.Im more of a performance oriented person.But yeah I consider N/ts,DSMs.
BTW your from Cranston,Sweet You have to come to some of our meets this year in Bristol.

 

[SpawnedX]

Well I consider N/T 2Gs DSMs...Would I ever buy one?No.Im more of a performance oriented person.But yeah I consider N/ts,DSMs.
BTW your from Cranston,Sweet You have to come to some of our meets this year in Bristol.

Hell yeah I'll come up hang with some fellow DSM enthusiasts, I will even mention it to some of the other DSMers in Rev Motorsports.

 

[saw wave analog]

who cares?

avengers have the same dsm firewall sticker that 1g's and the early 2g's had, there must be no denying that they are dsms. as far as i am concerned anything with a 4gxx in it is fair game.

 

[TSiGoesPsSsSst]

Cool,We usually have about 20 plus DSMs most of which our from our club(SouthShoreDSM)Your more than welcome to come along with any friends you have.Usually alot of our friends with SRT-4s show up too.
Hey if you get a chance check out www.fycracing.com.Alot us use those boards,not only just DSMs but pretty much just all of us up here in the NewEngland car scene

 

[SpawnedX]

Cool,We usually have about 20 plus DSMs most of which our from our club(SouthShoreDSM)Your more than welcome to come along with any friends you have.Usually alot of our friends with SRT-4s show up too.
Hey if you get a chance check out www.fycracing.com.Alot us use those boards,not only just DSMs but pretty much just all of us up here in the NewEngland car scene

Awesome, I will start posting there to keep in touch my e-mail is: [email protected] for now and aim: venomfkd. You guys can be some of the first to see the product of our labor a 4G63 with a 1G 6Bolt dropped in and converted to AWD when we are done. That and don't be fooled by the RS sticker I just put that on to sucker people in .

 

[bigemrich]

I mean technically if you look at what DSM stands for and the production/car companies involved and what eventually died out then a lot of DSM'ers are not actually DSM'ers at all. Lets actually look at it in a positive light, DSM is a community not a car. Granted it is a community based on our cars, but it isn't one that we wholely discriminate on cars/motors. This community we have a forum for non-turbos that don't use the turbo 4g63, and although yes many people put them down they are welcome here by most. So it is more of a people thing, imo, then a car thing. But if someone with like a colt puts a 4g63 in his car I don't consider him a DSM, same with the stealth/3000gt. I still think of the dsm as the laser/eclipse/talon up until the end of 99 even though it was no longer being built as a dsm.

Let's just accept that we are all together in the same boat and work towards bettering EVERYONE in the DSM community, not cut each other down.

--Kyle

 

[midnght]

It is a community not a car. Just be nice to any and everyone.

 

[mavisky]

No more dsm - not dsm threads. This topic was overdone 5 years ago.