Resolved need new lifters need help

[alesidsm90]

alright i need new lifters and basically im looking for a good set at a decent price. when my motor was built i just bought a new set from mitsubishi ($16 a pop). i know with my motor i should be switching to a solid lifter since i peak out at 9k rpm but BLE's are $300ish for a set and money is a little tight at the moment. i heard somewhere that the oem lifters are made by TopLine then repackaged through mitsu, and the owner of the shop i go to told me to stay away from 3g lifters because they're garbage. so now im just wondering if i should pay the dealer a visit to get a new set of oem ones and replace them after 7k miles again, fork up the extra money for BLE's, or try out the TopLines. anyone got some good advise?

 

[99BoostedRS]

Dude if your gonna buy them from the dealer for $16 ($256) why not just cough up the extra $44 and get BLE’s??

 

[bryanwheat]

Why do you need new ones? They usually last 100k+ miles.

 

[jimbob_843]

I thought the 3gs were better and more efficient for oil flow and reducing lifter tick. Hmmmm idk

 

[gieri002]

Why are the 3g lifters so bad, I know the ENGNBLDR 3g revised lifters have a bad rep but I've heard nothing but good things about the toplines.

 

[talonDSMerr]

3g lifters apparently don't perform as well as the original style small-holed lifters at high rpm. I would look for a used set of OEM lifters, plenty of people toss theirs to the side after installing 3g lifters.

 

[Calan]

3g lifters apparently don't perform as well as the original style small-holed lifters at high rpm. I would look for a used set of OEM lifters, plenty of people toss theirs to the side after installing 3g lifters.

Dennis... who have you heard this from?

I've never heard of it and have never noticed any issues, but you have me curious.

 

[LiquidX]

I'll just say have fun going with a solid lifter having to check their height on a regular basis. I have 3g lifters and go to 8500 just fine.

 

[talonDSMerr]

Dennis... who have you heard this from?

I've never heard of it and have never noticed any issues, but you have me curious.

Here's the DSMLink thread where I read it: ECMTuning User Support Forums

People are saying the bigger oil hole on the 3g lifters allows oil to be pushed out too fast at high rpms. Some pretty big names are tossed around (FP, evil_eagle, etc) as the sources of the information.

I, for one, don't think there is a noticeable difference in performance between the old-style 1g lifters vs. the revised 3g ones (other than lifter tick) for 99% of us. As Scott said, he's taken his 3g's to 8500rpm even, and I'm sure others have taken them further.

What I gleaned from that thread is that the 1g style lifters are more than adequate in regards to performance, so long as you can handle the tick.

 

[04bls84]

I have 3rd gen lifters in my car, its a 2g and the only difference I noticed is the tick is gone away almost completely. I got mine from DSM Graveyard. They werent too bad of a price.

 

[BogusSVO]

Why are the 3g lifters so bad, I know the ENGNBLDR 3g revised lifters have a bad rep but I've heard nothing but good things about the toplines.

Do you have links for where EngnBldr ones are so bad?
When I spoke with him, he gets his from the same place as mitsu.


Now as far as the 3g not performing as well in the upper rpm, The only logic I can see that happing is that by this time the valvetrain is beefed up, and seat pressure is twice that of stock springs if running Keggley or ferrea behives and that means that at full open spring pressures are way up and the HLA can not recover due to the oil flowing more efficently.