My cousin is thinking about buying a 2gn/t

[babyviper]

I told him to get a gs-t but he needs a car and doesn't hav enoungh money, but the only catch is that he does want some power. My first car was a dodge avenger with the 420a motor 5-speed and it was slow as balls, but it still beat his 1g GS. Anyway I was wondering how much horsepower were you n/t guys getting with your reagular mods like intake, header, cat-back, lightweight pulley's, sheetmetal intake, cams, fuel rail, fuel injectors, fpr, msd ingnition etc.. I just want to know because I don't want to tell him to get the car spend all his money in mods and still can't beat a civic. o yeah if you don't know the horsepower tell me what you beat?

 

[dsmmyth]

I told him to get a gs-t but he needs a car and doesn't hav enoungh money, but the only catch is that he does want some power. My first car was a dodge avenger with the 420a motor 5-speed and it was slow as balls, but it still beat his 1g GS. Anyway I was wondering how much horsepower were you n/t guys getting with your reagular mods like intake, header, cat-back, lightweight pulley's, sheetmetal intake, fuel rail, fuel injectors, fpr, msd ingnition etc.. I just want to know because I don't want to tell him to get the car spend all his money in mods and still can't beat a civic. o yeah if you don't know the horsepower tell me what you beat?

Barely any. We start out with 135? horsepower. All those mods may get you 25 or so, not much at all. We can take the 94-98 V6 mustangs stock though.

The only way to gain real horsepower on an inline 4 is through forced induction.

 

[babyviper]

how do the 420a react to nitrous?

 

[Demagosos]

im pretty sure we can take the majority of civics though....

 

[ShadowWulf]

Used properly and sparingly, nitrous can be an awesome asset to a NT Eclipse...Just use it carefuly...

Another option that i myself am looking at is weight reduction. Even though we may have less power, if the weight is reduced youre gonna go faster on less. CF, removal of interior seats etc are also all things to consiter.

At least we can beat alot of civics/Neons though. I smoked a modded Neon last night infact on the highway, same motor. It sounded like the guy didnt know how to shift

 

[miamieclipse]

I dyno'd (with a tuned afc) @ 128 whp and 134wtq ...& I'm a604 and i was on bad plugs at the time hehe

I did not spray on the dyno, the mod's i had on was:
-CAI
-4-1 Header
-Header Back Exhaust
-udp
-s-afc II
-MSD Wires
-Shitty plugs that where gone because i was running so rich for a while (another reason why i did not spray)

With better plugs i think i might have hit 135whp, spraying w/ a 75 jet on my wet kit who know's what I would have gotten....

EDIT: Nitrous is one of things feared by many and loved by others. It is really ignorant & stupid people which have driven Nitrous's product reliability through the mud, so to speak. If you use it properly and take the neccessary precautions with Nitrous you will be fine...

 

[GSGoinFast]

EDIT: Nitrous is one of things feared by many and loved by others. It is really ignorant & stupid people which have driven Nitrous's product reliability through the mud, so to speak. If you use it properly and take the neccessary precautions with Nitrous you will be fine...

i thought you dynoed 135 initially? and what you just said there couldnt be said better.

with my mods just a couple days ago i was dead even with a 330i until about 100 and then he started pulling on me... and that was without spray. i beat a crx with a b-16 whatever swap that supposedly runs mid 14's. with a little work and money they can hold there own. i lost to a new model mustang cobra by about 3-4 cars.

 

[Danny_305]

our cars as daily beaters arent that bad im currently selling mines to move up to a GS-T (so i can beat miami eclipse OVER AND OVER)


but yea your brother should get it i got mines when i was short on money and i modded it i beat v6 probe gts and v6 mazda mx6s (both were auto and stock still a v6)

and i lost to a rx8 by 1.5 cars so that wasnt bad

 

[1993eclipseGS]

How much money does your cousin have to spend? If he plans on getting all the mods that you have listed in your first post, Well then with all that money plus the price of the car, I think he would be able to just afford a 2g turbo? Around here they go anywhere from about $3,500 and up..
I'm not talking bad about the non-turbo 2g's, I was going to trade my car straight up for one as soon as I had gotten mine finished But I didnt.
I drove a 98 gs 5spd, And it was really really slow? The guy told me to get on it and give it all it had, Sure enough I did.. And it didnt HAVE anything I just pretended to be amazed so I didnt hurt his feelings.
If your cousin is looking for speed, He's not going to be satisfied with a nonturbo car, Unless going fast to him, is like a kid with a stock honda going fast. Just my opinion.
In the LONG RUN, He would have saved just buying a turbo car.

 

[babyviper]

How much money does your cousin have to spend? If he plans on getting all the mods that you have listed in your first post, Well then with all that money plus the price of the car, I think he would be able to just afford a 2g turbo? Around here they go anywhere from about $3,500 and up..
I'm not talking bad about the non-turbo 2g's, I was going to trade my car straight up for one as soon as I had gotten mine finished But I didnt.
I drove a 98 gs 5spd, And it was really really slow? The guy told me to get on it and give it all it had, Sure enough I did.. And it didnt HAVE anything I just pretended to be amazed so I didnt hurt his feelings.
If your cousin is looking for speed, He's not going to be satisfied with a nonturbo car, Unless going fast to him, is like a kid with a stock honda going fast. Just my opinion.
In the LONG RUN, He would have saved just buying a turbo car.

When I am talking about him getting all of these mods I mean over about a years time. If he saved his money he would probably wouldn't get one til september of 2005, but if that's the only way for him to get some power to the ground then that he will have to do.

 

[ShadowWulf]

You gotta love you N/T to be willing to pump that much money into it. I love mine, as do several others here and on 2GNT. Its all a matter of perspective i suppose.

 

[jwreed09]

i agree with shadowwulf...and the way i see it, gettin a car really depends on what kind of modifications you plan on doin and how far you wanna go and especially the budget end of it is the most important. i think modifying my n/t rs to it's fullest w/ out turboing will be amazing, and time consuming. but, w/ a stock eclipse your cuz should be able to take on the civics. i beat a hatchback civic w/ a b16 i/h/e off the line and i only had my injen cai, but he caught up around 40-50 mph...but good luck to your cuzs decision and keep us posted. it's gonna be a chance he takes for whatever he gets!!!

 

[SBstar]

Don't get me wrong. But Im starting to agree with the turbo fellows. You can spend way less by getting a 1G gsx or tsi. and be way faster. Of they're no where near as good looking as the 2g's. It's your own preferance though. If I could afford it I would still be working on my Talon N/T making it one of the fastest talons on this site. However money that was supposed to be there ended up gone. (fender bender, college funding, a college grant that fell through,) Things like that can end your dream in a hurry. So now I plan on fixing my talon and selling it so I can buy a 1g gsx or tsi. But I still think there would be nothing cooler than pulling up next to a gst or mustang with your lil esi or RS/GS and smoking them.

 

[GSGoinFast]

its more fun to make a car fast then it is to buy a fast car.

 

[babyviper]

its more fun to make a car fast then it is to buy a fast car.

dam right!

 

[jwreed09]

i think when gsgoinfast says that it's more fun to make a car fast than to buy a fast car that is most definetely agreeable by a majority of us non-turbo tuners!

 

[Playboy4ll23]

what if he gets a turbo for his N/T

 

[gofaster87]

what if he gets a turbo for his N/T

Turbos are great for for nt's but be careful as it is easy to crack a ring landing when you become boost happy. It would be better to build the motor before putting on a turbo, I know from experience. I still have the 2g(got rid of the rx7), great daily driver but I needed the power so I bought an Evo.

 

[Playboy4ll23]

awwwww evo...sooo lucky

 

[crazyheck]

I told him to get a gs-t but he needs a car and doesn't hav enoungh money, but the only catch is that he does want some power. My first car was a dodge avenger with the 420a motor 5-speed and it was slow as balls, but it still beat his 1g GS. Anyway I was wondering how much horsepower were you n/t guys getting with your reagular mods like intake, header, cat-back, lightweight pulley's, sheetmetal intake, cams, fuel rail, fuel injectors, fpr, msd ingnition etc.. I just want to know because I don't want to tell him to get the car spend all his money in mods and still can't beat a civic. o yeah if you don't know the horsepower tell me what you beat?

ur 420a couldnt beat a 4g63 unless it was an auto, and a 4g63 lightly modded will beat v6stangs camaros and just about any civic, i have a 1g nt 4g63, with a header, exhaust, intake, and a short shifter and i can beat my buddys stang, my buddies b16 civic, and my other buddies h22 accord auto

 

[GSGoinFast]

ur 420a couldnt beat a 4g63 unless it was an auto, and a 4g63 lightly modded will beat v6stangs camaros and just about any civic, i have a 1g nt 4g63, with a header, exhaust, intake, and a short shifter and i can beat my buddys stang, my buddies b16 civic, and my other buddies h22 accord auto

yes, so can the 420a... your point?

 

[crazyheck]

my point is the 4g63 is a better motor hands down

 

[GSGoinFast]

my point is the 4g63 is a better motor hands down

the factory turbo ones, yes, no doubt... yours, im not too sure about that one. in fact im not sure how you can say that. 420a makes more hp then an nt 4g63, and has a better flowing head. just because a 1g nt beats a 2g nt doesnt mean the motor is better, other things come into play, such as weight and driving skill...

 

[speedy13]

my point is the 4g63 is a better motor hands down

Here we go again...Yes i think the 4g63 is a better engine also,however most 1gnt's have been run with too many miles,lack aftermarket support, and don't look nearly as good as the 2g's.Don't get me wrong the 1g's look nice too,but TO ME their is no comparing the sleek and sexy lines of the 2g's.Oh and back on the subject,dude should get the 2gnt,after a few bolt on's he'll love it and it's still be reliable.if he want's raw speed and can't cough up the money for a 2g gst/gsx,he can get a 1g and will be very happy with it.

P.S. I myself haven't lost to a 1gnt yet. peace.

 

[4geze63]

its more fun to make a car fast then it is to buy a fast car.

you mean a slow car------>relitivily decent?

and as refering to a fast car, obviously you mean a turbo modle, they arnt fast either, stock their moderatly quick, thats about asfar as I would go.

I would classify high 12's-low 13's as fast, anything lower is extreme. by the avg dsm standards.


I would say the 4g63NT is better then the 420a