My 2G Goals: Suggestions for fun Daily Driver?

[Allamricn]

So I have done a ton of reading at the upgrade paths, etc and even started my mods with the Dejon Intake/K&N FIPK install along with the HKS SSQV BOV install, but I really started thinking about a plan for my car and knew that suggestions from others would probably help.

Truly what I would like is to have a FUN daily driver with somewhere in the neighborhood of 350-ish HP (or at least likely under 400hp).

I already have a 14b installed (bought it used and the performance shop I had inspect it stated that it had a 14b on it and not the stock turbo), there is an upgraded exhaust per the 1st stage path I believe, but basically everything else other than what I mentioned is stock.

I'm going to get my Boost controller/gauges, and I know I will likely have to get an upgraded FP and most likely 550 injectors and obviously a Big III Evo 16g. I'll most likely get a FMIC as well as a buddy of mine has a Core that I will look into whether it will fit or not.

The questions I have are as follows:
1) Do I have to go with a 255 FP or can I get away with just the 190?
2) Is the FP rewire a MUST when you upgrade?
3) Assuming I will be getting the FMIC, should I just leave all the UIC, LIC piping alone and wait on that.

4) What else am I missing?

Any help would be TONS appreciated as I would like to formulate a plan for the future with the goals I have in mind.

Thanks.

 

[knochgoon24]

A FP rewire is a must.

 

[TuRBoTaLooN]

The 255 pump is in the same price range as the 190, so why not? Only thing you'll need to add is a fuel pressure regulator. Those are always a good idea anyway. You'll need some type of tuning device like an SAFC or DSMLink or a keydriver chip. In which case you'll need a fuel pressure regulator to keep your pressure constant when tuning.

Also...definitely rewire. It's a simple mod and easy if you're putting in a new pump anyway. Just run some wires.

 

[bizzotalon701]

you could also do an upgraded exhaust manifold after you get the bigger turbo so you kno it'll fit. also you could maybe think about a performance intake manifold but those are pretty pricey. you can also upgrade your shifter and if you upgrade all that stuff you're thinking bout doing you'll have to upgrade your clutch and flywheel setup as well

 

[420a-t]

I've ran a 12.3 on a re-wired 190 pump, and plan on going in the 11's this year with it. re-wire your fuel pump. What I did was leave my stock IC on, and switch out the pipes and intercooker at the same time. Evo 3 is a good choice. I would go bigger than 550's if you're getting something to control them (safc, dsmlink) so you don't have to upgrade again. With my evo3 I got 660cc injectors and I was hiting around 80-85 IDC. Good luck and have fun!

Make sure you search around before you go diving into anything.

 

[Allamricn]

I thought I would bring this one back as a good friend of mine visited this weekend and we discussed a few things, especially having a "step by step" plan in place. Our discussion really led me to some questions about my original thoughts and future goals. I'm really wondering and leaning on your expertise to put this together in the most logical way, so correct me if I am wrong:

1) Fuel mods: new Walbro 255, AFPR, injectors, SS fuel lines, replace fuel filter

2) DSMlink and upgraded Eprom ECU to control it

(Do I really have any other choice if I go 650 or higher injectors?)


3) Brakes (new slotted rotors and Hawk pads)

4) Upgraded Turbo, exhaust manifold, O2 housing

5) FMIC

I'm guessing that's going to be about it for 2008 and 2009 for me in terms of mods and $$$, so am I on the right track?

We also discussed ball bearing turbos instead of Evo 16G... I'm assuming a 50 Trim would be sufficient if my goals are no more than 350-400 whp?

Thanks guys!

 

[hiimnotcool]

2) DSMlink and upgraded Eprom ECU to control it

(Do I really have any other choice if I go 650 or higher injectors?)


Yes, you have another choice. But it probably isn't the better one. You could get a Keydiver chip and it would compensate for any injectors you could throw at it. It will tune your car, but leaves room to make smaller changes with an SAFC. I'd just get DSMLink though.


And yes, it sounds like you're on the right track. And yes, look at the PTE ball bearing turbos. It will be much easier to reach your 350-400 hp goal with one of them. The evo III WOULD be able to get you there though, most likely.

 

[DSMunknown]

I would recommend an OEM Evo 9 fuel pump instead. Definitely do the FP rewire. Click here for more info.

 

[gsxrtalon]

There are many debates on the FP rewire so you'll have to see what works best for you car and boost levels. It is probably a good idea, however, myself and others that run bigger turbo's are getting away without it so it is really a personal preferrence. Oh, my profile is not up to date, Im running a gt35r with a 255(not rewired) as did the previous owner of my gt35. You just need watch your logs and IDC's and go from there.

Once you start putting the car together and adding parts make sure you check for boost leaks and properly installed injectors/FP. (got to watch the o-rings)

 

[DSMunknown]

There are many debates on the FP rewire so you'll have to see what works best for you car and boost levels. It is probably a good idea, however, myself and others that run bigger turbo's are getting away without it so it is really a personal preferrence. Oh, my profile is not up to date, Im running a gt35r with a 255(not rewired) as did the previous owner of my gt35. You just need watch your logs and IDC's and go from there.

WTF There is no debate. Talk to any knowledgable DSMer. They'll tell you to do it. It's as simple as that.

 

[Allamricn]

Unfortunately, I am not THAT tech savvy and will likely be having a local shop, AMS, perform thefuel upgrades. Personally, I have read about it and it seems to be fairly straightforward, but when it comes to fuel, I am a little hesitant to get it done correctly. Of course, this after my buddy's $100k+ Viper just caught fire and burned to the ground because of a faulty fuel issue.

I also know I am going to have to upgrade the clutch and flywheel, I forgot to add that one.

 

[DSMunknown]

I suggested the Evo 9 (or you can go with the Evo 8) OEM fuel pump because it is a DIRECT bolt-on pump. Absolutely no modifications required. You can get either for 25-60 dollars, depending on which model you choose. The Evo 9 flows a bit more than the Evo 8, but it's your choice.

Before I did my own fuel pump rewire, I had no idea how to solder two wires together. But there really is nothing to it. It is a VERY simple process. If you have a family member or a close friend who can show you what to do, you'll be able to pick it up in about 12 seconds (or less). If you read through this guide and this guide, you should see that all it takes is a little time. This thread is also helpful.

I highly recommend either of the Evo fuel pumps over the Walbro 190. You get the quality and durability of the OEM part, the quietness of the pump (unlike the whining Walbros), cheap price, and the direct fit - all with improved performance. You can't ignore all those perks.

 

[gsxrtalon]

WTF There is no debate. Talk to any knowledgable DSMer. They'll tell you to do it. It's as simple as that.

As I stated further in my post, " it is probably a good idea". I never once said not to do it. I simply got the point across that it is NOT necessary but a GOOD idea.

 

[DSMunknown]

I don't exactly call "getting away without it" and references to "personal preference" good advice. This also includes hinting at so-called "debates" between rewiring the FP or not.

Just my three cents.

 

[Allamricn]

Yes, I certainly don't want to turn this into rewire or not. I think to be safe, I will certainly have a 255 or Evo installed. I'm really just concerned with doing it the right way the FIRST time.

The more I search, the more I come back to DSMLink. I really don't see any other option (not that its a bad thing, just having to get a hold of a Eprom ECU.)

 

[gsxrtalon]

Yes either way you decide to go with the FP, Dsmlink is the best way to go. As for the Dsmlink get ahold of Thomas at ECMtuning and they might have one laying around there. He told me after I waited 3 weeks to get my eprom to him that if I would of told him I was looking for one he had a couple there for sale.

 

[Allamricn]

Yes, basically going to have to bite the bullet and go with the DSM link as part of my fuel upgrades.

 

[GSpikeX]

Definetely go with DSM Link because i'm stuck here with a safc II, now I wanna have more control over my car, so that means save up some more money for link.. should of just done it right the first time.