Looking for 400hp, T28 Killer or SBR 2g20G?

[Groomz]

Would the SBR 2g20G be capable of 400 *crank* hp w/ its T3 compressor cover and other mods ( www.slowboyracing.com ). From what people are saying I believe I should go w/ a variant of the 20G to achieve my goals. The T28 turbo most likely won't be able to support my power needs. Any thoughts?

 

[Cirus_93TSI]

i never said you needed motor work to make 400whp, i said internals were recomended for a 20g, maybe you should read things before you try and contradicet them
and in case u didnt know, around here people dont want everyone to know what they have under their hood, if i named names and they found out i was telling people whats under their hood my reputation would be seriously damaged, people want to keep their set up secret because big money streetraces are quite common around here, and bluffing about how much work you have done is a big part of that for some odd reason, both of those people would be quite mad if someone saw me posting their name and turbo on here

and fiy, everyone i know making that much power is running a mitsu turbo or one of extremes frankenstien turbos, for 400hp a full garrett set up is a waste of money

one person that isnt hiding whats under his hood is achie from extreme, i believe he too is making over 400 on race gas with a ported 20g, i havent seen a dyno sheet for his car but i dont see him having any reason to lie about what his car dynoed at, he has ported the hell out of everything on his car though

im not going to argue with you about this, i know what a 20g can do, unlike you who knows what a 50 trim will do and makes wild guesses about the turbo in question
you can keep pretending you know what your talking about all you want, you post some BS trying your best to contridict one of my posts every day instead of posting something helpful about the topic, and what you post shows you didnt read the post your replying to, you spend most of your time arguing about things i never said

and you always post some crap that has no relaton to what we are talking about, when hes trying to decide between a 20g and a t28 why do you waste your time trying to promote the turbo on your car? you have turned this thread into some descusion about how much power your 50 trim can make, instead of posting anything helpful at all about the topic creators question

 

[Groomz]

I plan to build my motor first before any mods at all. That basically means a six bolt swap and breaking it in on all the factory parts including the T25 stock turbo. After that I will do all those other mods w/ the turbo being the last one. I appreciate everyone who gave good input and I now plan on the 20G turbo for my goals. Thanx!!!

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by Cirus_93TSI
i never said you needed motor work to make 400whp, i said internals were recomended for a 20g, maybe you should read things before you try and contradicet them
and in case u didnt know, around here people dont want everyone to know what they have under their hood, if i named names and they found out i was telling people whats under their hood my reputation would be seriously damaged, people want to keep their set up secret because big money streetraces are quite common around here, and bluffing about how much work you have done is a big part of that for some odd reason, both of those people would be quite mad if someone saw me posting their name and turbo on here

and fiy, everyone i know making that much power is running a mitsu turbo or one of extremes frankenstien turbos, for 400hp a full garrett set up is a waste of money

one person that isnt hiding whats under his hood is achie from extreme, i believe he too is making over 400 on race gas with a ported 20g, i havent seen a dyno sheet for his car but i dont see him having any reason to lie about what his car dynoed at, he has ported the hell out of everything on his car though

im not going to argue with you about this, i know what a 20g can do, unlike you who knows what a 50 trim will do and makes wild guesses about the turbo in question
you can keep pretending you know what your talking about all you want, you post some BS trying your best to contridict one of my posts every day instead of posting something helpful about the topic, and what you post shows you didnt read the post your replying to, you spend most of your time arguing about things i never said

and you always post some crap that has no relaton to what we are talking about, when hes trying to decide between a 20g and a t28 why do you waste your time trying to promote the turbo on your car? you have turned this thread into some descusion about how much power your 50 trim can make, instead of posting anything helpful at all about the topic creators question

1) you are so full of shit my eyes are starting to water, and 2) try a period.

in case u didnt know, around here people dont want everyone to know what they have under their hood, if i named names and they found out i was telling people whats under their hood my reputation would be seriously damaged, people want to keep their set up secret because big money streetraces are quite common around here,

:laugh:

 

[Cirus_93TSI]

whatever you want to think

 

[Tevenor]

Owwwwww. My eyes.

Cirus_93TSI: www.dictionary.com. Love it, learn it, live it.

 

[loreak]

children calm down

a 20g will make 350-375 on pump at 20-21psi, maybe 400 on pump at 23 and tuned well

unless its on my car then maybe 250 at 30psi

 

[Ricardo]

Originally posted by loreak
children calm down

a 20g will make 350-375 on pump at 20-21psi, maybe 400 on pump at 23 and tuned well

unless its on my car then maybe 250 at 30psi

You two kids need to stop fighting and be more like this guy. This thread originally supposed to help the guy who wants to make 400hp, not your personal fights... we don't care about them!

Groomz, you seem like a nice guy, so I'll try to help you out again. The SBR 2g20g is a new turbo on the market and has not been proven yet. I truly believe Slowboy Racing knows their stuff when it comes to DSMs, but I can't say the 2g20g is a good turbo because there's no evidence of it whatsoever, if you want to go ahead and be the first one to bring us some numbers, it would be nice.

You don't need to have a built engine for a 20g, I believe you can put good numbers like 350hp on a fully modded 20g with only some porting. Now with a built engine (block and head) and good tuning you will reach 400hp+ on a 20g, yes that is possible and it has been done.

Also, you don't need a 6bolt for it. Local dsmer at the club (7bolt) ran 11.9 @ 116 on a 20g w/ all the proper mods and fine tuning. That's AWD though, but a very good run for a 20g. I'm not sure if his engine was built, but definitively some porting work there and a 1g intake manifold to match the porting size.

I say if you plan to spend less just drop a 20g on that 7bolt get an act2100, injectors, afc or e-manage, a nice fmic and all the rest of the basic stuff and you should be pretty close to your goal. Once you reach intermediate 300hpish you will not want 400hp, trust me, especially if you're FWD.

 

[boostineklipz]

Originally posted by Ricardo


You two kids need to stop fighting and be more like this guy. This thread originally supposed to help the guy who wants to make 400hp, not your personal fights... we don't care about them!

Groomz, you seem like a nice guy, so I'll try to help you out again. The SBR 2g20g is a new turbo on the market and has not been proven yet. I truly believe Slowboy Racing knows their stuff when it comes to DSMs, but I can't say the 2g20g is a good turbo because there's no evidence of it whatsoever, if you want to go ahead and be the first one to bring us some numbers, it would be nice.

You don't need to have a built engine for a 20g, I believe you can put good numbers like 350hp on a fully modded 20g with only some porting. Now with a built engine (block and head) and good tuning you will reach 400hp+ on a 20g, yes that is possible and it has been done.

Also, you don't need a 6bolt for it. Local dsmer at the club (7bolt) ran 11.9 @ 116 on a 20g w/ all the proper mods and fine tuning. That's AWD though, but a very good run for a 20g. I'm not sure if his engine was built, but definitively some porting work there and a 1g intake manifold to match the porting size.

I say if you plan to spend less just drop a 20g on that 7bolt get an act2100, injectors, afc or e-manage, a nice fmic and all the rest of the basic stuff and you should be pretty close to your goal. Once you reach intermediate 300hpish you will not want 400hp, trust me, especially if you're FWD.

Couldnt be put more better then that.

 

[AlecW81]

Sometimes I don't know if I want to pat JDM on the back or stab him in the back... I'm actually going to have to agree with him in this instance.
I haven't been participating in the scene in Maryland the past 2 years, but I've yet to meet a DSMer back home that wouldn't tell you EXACTLY what he had on his car before he raced. Most of the Domestic guys and faster imports were usually less forthcoming with what they had under the hood, but it seemed like the members of DSMCA that I hung with, we're much more honest. Although it was funny to watch a certain DSMCA member with a Black 99 GSX from WVA tell an LS1 Z-28 that he "didn't have much done to his car" before walking him on Rt. 40. He's running mid-11s for the record.

As for you Groomz: If you're dropping in a 6bolt, then you have just opened up endless possibilities as far as turbos go. You can go with a bolt-on straight mitsu, a hybrid Garret/Mitsu, or straight Garret if you buy a T4 manifold.

It's funny Cirus mentioned the Frank Series... I can't think of a single DSMer that I've met that was running one in DSMCA. Most tend to shy away from Extreme because of their prices, although they do make top-quality stuff.

 

[Kevin Jewer]

I borrowed a TDO6H 20g from Mike at SBR. I Cant say enough how much I liked that turbo. 25 psi on pump all day with no knock. Trapped 117 on pump, and 119 on race gas before I had to give it back. That 117 is good for ~420 whp based on the calcs and on what others have dynoed at that mph. Not bad for pump gas and a "small" turbo I think that is one of the best options for a cheap, streetable tubo that will still tear it up at the track. I do have a decently modded car, but everyone ends up there eventually anyway.

 

[Groomz]

For the money the SBR 2g20G looks to be the best deal for the 2G guy out there. As soon as I get it I'll post an install and feedback article.

 

[1badtsi]

damn, this is a heated discussion guys but i do enjoy all the facts you are throwing up, cause i personally am going to go with the slowboy 2g20g (being fwd) im gonna need the lag off the line and the top end, and i have heard of several people making over 400whp with a 20g or equivilent turbo

 

[boostineclipse]

Why you tryin to copy me man?? Haha..just playin..I gots the SBR 20G(td06h)

 

[1badtsi]

oh, havent seen you around, when you get a chance you gotta let me see

 

[jdmawd]

Not many have managed 400hp with much larger turbos and supporting mods. Good luck becoming the exception with a smaller turbo

 

[boostineclipse]

Yeah..I haven't been out lately, working and trying to get my setp tuning and worked out. I'll prolly be out in Yuba this next friday tho

 

[1badtsi]

ill be out there, without my car

 

[boostineclipse]

Whats wrong with your car?

 

[1badtsi]

need to smog it, blown shock, clutch is gone........hmm nothing else at the moment(knock on wood)

 

[boostineclipse]

Haha..yeah..problems always pop up, I have bad ISC right now..no biggie tho

 

[1badtsi]

so when do i get to see what your beast looks like now?

 

[boostineclipse]

Haha, whenever your free man. I work till around 5:30 mon-fri. She still looks the same..on tha outside

 

[genxxxracer]

Im geting my car dynod this week. I will let you guys know what I throw down. The ohly thing that I think I really need now is cams. Im hoping for the 340-350 range. Ive seen a couple of vehicles with similar setups with cams that are near 400 at the wheels.

 

[Violater101]

At what PSI and on racegas or pumpgas? I made 330 with my setup on pump and still needs alot of tuning. I'm expecting around 370 once it's dialed in right. Good Luck