killing M3 like crazy.....

[97GSTred]

I really can't figure this out! I have raced a few cars that are way out of my legue and I've either beat them or hung wtih them. The cars I've beat are a '98 M3 that was never abused, a'03 M3 and a '97 trans am. I killed the '98 M3 by like five car lengths. I was also side by side with a turbo charged Prelude that ran a 14.6 at high altitude, but the thing is my car is completly stock except for a boost controller, intake and Magnecor spark plug wires. I did some of the cheap and free mods off of www.vfaq.com and I'm boosting 16psi. It just doesn't make cents? Don't get me worng I'm enjoying this but why is my car so fast?

 

[MituMIR]

Some cars are FREAKS and may for some reason make more horsepower in stock form...that plus you may just be an insane driver?

 

[SOURCE1064]

The guy in the 03 M3 must really suck at driving because a few weeks ago a guy ran a 12.5 with no mods in his 03 at englishtown. I have yet to take mine to the track but I know even a some modded DSM's I have no problem taking out.

 

[nholley]

It's the driving, a stock M3 would smoke a lightly modded GST.

 

[97ClipseDSM]

Originally posted by 97GSTred
I really can't figure this out! I have raced a few cars that are way out of my legue and I've either beat them or hung wtih them. The cars I've beat are a '98 M3 that was never abused, a'03 M3 and a '97 trans am. I killed the '98 M3 by like five car lengths. I was also side by side with a turbo charged Prelude that ran a 14.6 at high altitude, but the thing is my car is completly stock except for a boost controller, intake and Magnecor spark plug wires. I did some of the cheap and free mods off of www.vfaq.com and I'm boosting 16psi. It just doesn't make cents? Don't get me worng I'm enjoying this but why is my car so fast?

Sometimes i wonder the same thing about my car. How am i smoking the hell out of these cars when i should atleast lose by a few cars. I dk but sometimes i feel like my car is not stock..though when you look under the hood it proves it it is. Its freakin quick as hell and most people that have raced me have learned the hard way.

Kill List
Volkswagon GTI
Integra GSR
Volkswagon Jetta GLX Vr6
95 Mustang GT
Audi S4
Acura RSX Type S
Pontiac Trans AM
Civic SI 00
Volkswagon Passat
Volkswagon Golf VR6
Honda Prelude SI

and many more...and this is with all stock motor

 

[fireredGST]

Originally posted by SOURCE1064
The guy in the 03 M3 must really suck at driving because a few weeks ago a guy ran a 12.5 with no mods in his 03 at englishtown. I have yet to take mine to the track but I know even a some modded DSM's I have no problem taking out.

No M3 will run 12.5 stock, if he told you that you have been lied too.

M3's the new 333hp ones are good for low 13s at best.

 

[fireredGST]

Originally posted by 97ClipseDSM
Sometimes i wonder the same thing about my car. How am i smoking the hell out of these cars when i should atleast lose by a few cars. I dk but sometimes i feel like my car is not stock..though when you look under the hood it proves it it is. Its freakin quick as hell and most people that have raced me have learned the hard way.

Kill List
Volkswagon GTI
Integra GSR
Volkswagon Jetta GLX Vr6
95 Mustang GT
Audi S4
Acura RSX Type S
Pontiac Trans AM
Civic SI 00
Volkswagon Passat
Volkswagon Golf VR6
Honda Prelude SI

and many more...and this is with all stock motor

All those cars dont provide much competetion for a GST . Thats why you are winning.

 

[SOURCE1064]

Originally posted by fireredGST
No M3 will run 12.5 stock, if he told you that you have been lied too.

M3's the new 333hp ones are good for low 13s at best.

I have it on video it was actually a 12.6, no stock DSM especially a can do that.

Check it out for yourself: http://www.daftproductions.com/videos/M3_12-638_106-34.mpg

 

[GsTcreamyC]

I ran side by side with a '98 M3 on the freeway and barely pulled him on top end. All I had at the time was the basic bolt-ons. A newer M3 would blister a stock or mildy stock 1g or 2g. I raced a bolt-on 2g from a roll one night and took him out by a few cars.

 

[fireredGST]

Originally posted by SOURCE1064
I have it on video it was actually a 12.6, no stock DSM especially a can do that.

Check it out for yourself: http://www.daftproductions.com/videos/M3_12-638_106-34.mpg

He was probaly modfied. A video doesn't provide proof of his mods.

 

[SOURCE1064]

I also belong to M3Forum and this guy is a member and has no mods. Can't you just admit you might be wrong? He launched at 5500rpm and ran a 12.6.

 

[97GSTred]

The people that I've raced are my friends and they where the one's saying they could take me? So I couldn't figure out how I was so fast. I will film the races next time and link it to the web site or my profile.

 

[fireredGST]

:laugh: Just because he wrote it on a forum, doesn't mean he is telling the truth. So you are telling me they are faster than a stock LS1

I got videos of BONE STOCK LS1's walking M3's.

They don't run 12.6, a few freak ones have touched high 12s, something like a 12.9.

Unless he has slicks or DR's I wont bealive that 12.6 was a stock run on street tires.

 

[97ClipseDSM]

Originally posted by fireredGST
All those cars dont provide much competetion for a GST . Thats why you are winning.

, ok what if i also told you that last night i ran an 02 WRX (non sti) from the line and i beat him about 1 1/2 car?? He was AWD and i was FWD but he never passed me or even stayed next to me. But your right FiredGST, those other cars i named on the list arent a competition for the GST, however, about 80% of those cars i listed were modified..so this must mean something...dont underestimate the GST..it is one hell of a quick machine and most people will learn the hard way when they race me.

 

[fireredGST]

I beat a WRX as well, with AWD if he couldn't get you off a dead stop he either didn't know how to drive for shit or was automatic.

I beat one on the highway, all I had was an exhaust and I clearly was pulling away. I didn't know his mods, but he had one hell of a loud BOV.

 

[SOURCE1064]

Originally posted by fireredGST
:laugh: Just because he wrote it on a forum, doesn't mean he is telling the truth. So you are telling me they are faster than a stock LS1

I got videos of BONE STOCK LS1's walking M3's.

They don't run 12.6, a few freak ones have touched high 12s, something like a 12.9.

Unless he has slicks or DR's I wont bealive that 12.6 was a stock run on street tires.

Okay bro. He's lying about not having mods. Modding an M3 isn't as cheap as a dsm (I have both) and for the most part the "bolt on mods" go for at least a thousand dollars which many people don't do. The car and driver people aren't always the best stick drivers in the world. No he didn't have slicks, stock tires. If you want his e-mail address to ask him personally you can, but you'll say he's lying to you and his video is fake blah blah blah. Yes I have beaten a stock LS1 Camaro SS with no problem. It is all dependant on the driver. You can have a viper and run a 13.5 if you don't know how to drive properly. Why don't we race I have an intake and exhaust and you'll see how badly I'll walk you. Gotta love the newbies.

 

[fireredGST]

"GOTTA LOVE THE NEWBIES"


Yeah I know , I have a life unlike you.


333hp vs 210hp .... cute.....


Ill just borrow my cousin's 700hp Supra and not even floor it and pull 10-15 cars on your M3.

But then again I wouldn't .....*Run What You Brung*


Soon enough when I actually get my car out of the shop I should have a 300hp FWD.





I never went for a personal attack, so don't come at me.

Thats my opinion on your post, you don't like it, ignore it.

 

[SOURCE1064]

I would take out your cousin’s 700hp Supra in my 500hp Eclipse GSX (www.its-over.com). I am not always on, I do have a life, just have been a member for a long time on the board and often don't get questioned because if you know me as other member on this board do I don't bs at all and I'm close with a lot of the big guys on the first page with the fastest DSM times so I don't doubt how powerful DSM’s are when they are modded, I own one. Member 588 one of the OG's on the board.

97GSTred's stock car could only take out a stock E46 M3 if the driver really blew. GsTcreamyC said how he has bolt ons and barely kept up with a E36 M3 and it’s only 240hp. I had similar encounters when I had my 16G on my car many years back with a E36 M3.

I said how an E46 M3 owner ran a 12.5 and corrected myself to the 12.6 he ran at Englishtown and you call BS and say it's impossible "a low 13 at its best" in stock form.

I provided the video and he launched at 5000 rpm. You say is BS he has to have mods. A new muffler which the car doesn't have if you are familiar with E46 M3's you can see in the video, or an intake would not make the car gain .5 seconds in the 1/4 mile even with drag radials, and the superchargers for these cars are still a few months away from being on the market. You’re on crack if you think that car is running slicks, watch the video again. I don’t even think they make these engines would blow with nitrous so I don't know what you are suggesting he has done to it. The engine is too delicate to mess around with. Quite a few stock ones have blow up since they are so high strung to the max and these engine go for 15g's which isn’t a cheap thing to mess around with so the majority of M3 owners leave them stock or do the intake and muffler, not a full cat back exhaust because those run $2500 so there aren't too many thing's out that would get you .5 of a sec off of a 1/4 mile in this heavy car.

"Just because he wrote it on a forum, doesn't mean he is telling the truth. So you are telling me they are faster than a stock LS1

I got videos of BONE STOCK LS1's walking M3's.

They don't run 12.6, a few freak ones have touched high 12s, something like a 12.9.

Unless he has slicks or DR's I wont bealive that 12.6 was a stock run on street tires."

Let me ask you, your same questions. Do you really think a GST with a T-25 running 16PSI could have taken out an E46 M3. My car has over 93 more hp than an E36 M3 and I had problems keeping up an E36 M3 with a 16G on my GSX? I provided the video showing the 12.6 run and you still doubt me that the car is stock, how do you believe any kill you read about on any forum? It can be complete crap without any proof unless you know the person really well who is the source. 97GSTred's kill against the E46 M3 might be true as I said if the driver really sucked at stick. I said before I have beaten some LS1 Camaro SS's in my M. They should be close runs in the stock configuration. Some I have walked it is all dependant on the driver. As I mod my M it becomes easier. I bet if you or I drove shep or brown's dsm's we wouldn't come close to their times because they are just that good at driving stick. Some drivers are that good to show a car's full potential whether it be stock or modified configuration and this E46 M3 owner was on of those drivers.

I know the guy who ran the 12.6 from the M3fourms. I offered to give you that M3 owner's info so you can contact him, to which I received no comment. Ask him to copy me on the e-mail and we'll both post up his reply stating that he has a stock car with no type of engine/exhaust modifications. I'll give you the link to the M3Forum post about his run because you'll probably think I am having you e-mail me and I'm replying. Join the M3Forum and PM him and ask him yourself. His car being stock with the proper driver running a 12.6 is a bit more believable than a stock GST with a t-25 running 16psi taking out a E46 M3 as you said 333hp vs 210hp.

Here are his posts from the M3Forum:

"107.63 on the 12.65 and 106.34 on the 12.63 pass. I went a low mph on the 63 because I shifted a little early in each gear, just wanted to see what a few hundred rpm would do. I launched at 5000 rpm and had a 1.75 60' time."

Asked about his 60'

"Ready for this, 1.75 on stock tires!!!"

"This car is a blast at the dragstrip, if you can get it launched without wheelhop thats half the battle. Then power shift every gear on the money, and she will fly!!"

"Savington, My car is an 02. The only options are power seats and leather. It has never been on the dyno, and saturday at the track the scales said it was 3230 lbs without driver."

"Kevin, My car is making no more power than any other m3. The proof is my 107 mph trap speed. My trap speed has been matched or beaten by many other m3s. The low elapsed time comes from a great 60' time and on the throttle gear changes. I'll run high 12s in any stick m3, anyone want to donate one for an afternoon?"

"Timeslip (1 ) r/t...074 60'...1.80 330'...5.24 1/8...8.10 1/8 mph87.07 1000' 10.56 1/4 ...12.65 1/4 mph...107.63 Timeslip (2) r/t...015 60' 1.75 330'...5.15 1/8...8.03 1/8 mph...85.55 1000'...10.52 1/4 ...12.63 1/4 mph...106.34"

"The car is all stock."

A bunch of us are going to E-town in a few weeks maybe you can go and inspect the car for yourself and believe. I'm going to let him run my car since he's a much better stick driver than I am and my car is modded out to about 355hp.

 

[GsTcreamyC]

everything you just said is true....except that I ended up beating the M3, but it was a '98 with 240hp, not the 330hp. A newer M3 would blister any stock or close to stock dsm. And I have no problem beleiving that the guy ran those times in the M3. However, it is possible for those motors to run Nitrous, I dont know how reliable they are with spray...but the M3 I raced has spray but was running me on motor. The only things I had when I pulled the '98 M3 was Intake, Exhaust, short throw, clutch, and upper IC pipe.

 

[SOURCE1064]

Almost any engine can run nitrous. I have heard of some guys spraying on the S54 engine 200- E46 M3 but like a 40 shot. I personally wouldn't do it because of how delicate the engine is and how some stock ones have blow with no mods out of no where. I am going to wait until the sc kits are out and have been used for a while before I go and get mine. My race against the 240hp eclipse was against me because of my DSM being an at. Now it's an advantage with a built race tranny and the amount of power I'm going to be pushing. If I had a manual when I raced the E36 M it might have been a different story. The turbo I was running sucked too. XS-Engineering 16G killer turbo. By far the worst mistake I ever made mod wise. Big waste of money, very poor turbo. Almost everyone I know that got one had the turbo blow on them or got damaged. My bearings melted and bent the fins on mine.

 

[fireredGST]

500HP AWD vs a 700HP RWD , You won't be taking out that supra out anytime soon.

From a stop is the only chance you have. AWD vs a highway monster single Supra, think about what you just said.

My cousin is looking for 900hp or so by this summer.

You wanna run him ? $1000 a race.(He is the type that won't run unless for money)

What are you talking about ? I never said a GST could stay with an M3 *Stock For Stock* , when did I say that ? (you must have my post confused)

I simply said no E46 M3 runs a 12.6 on the 1/4 bone stock. Thats Corvette Z06 territory.

1.7 60ft ??? without Drag Radials(thats a better 60ft time than most AWD's) you have been lied too.

 

[SOURCE1064]

I'm getting no where with the proof I have given (vids, quoted posts, and various other types of ways to try to prove it.) so I will drop it here. You are invited to the track as I have offered you and/or to contact the owner/driver if you would like because what is on video is true and his car is completely stock but I get no response to that and you just repeat that I am being "lied to". I guess everything shown in that video is a complete lie. If you want to be "lied to" in person I am going to pm you the next time we have a meet at Englishtown and you can inspect and watch his runs in his stock M3. I know you won't take me up on the offer to save your face and stick with your statement that I've been "lied to" and that it's a modded car blah blah blah. Past this I can't offer any other way to prove to you it's a stock M3 that ran the 12.6 unless you can come up with a way, but from you're posts no matter what proof is offered, probably if you saw the car in person you'd still say it's not stock. As far as I'm concerned I have shown enough proof of my true statements and I would love to see you prove to me that a guy you never met and I know modded his car. Not that I saw in this mag's test and this car can go so fast so that can't and I saw these runs, records are broken everyday and this is a realistic one, half a second, it's not unbelievable. Again no intake and/or muffler let you run .5 seconds faster in the 1/4 mile. Showen in the video 1.75 60' 12.63@106mph completely stock.

 

[Revolution]

Ok as far as buddy consistantly winning good for you keep it up , but their are guys out their that place stickers and decals on their cars . So just make shure you are really racing these cars ,and not wood. Ps. m3's are very quick and are fanomenal cars to drive but anything can happen with race gas and drag radials.

Have fun but be safe and If you are going to keep racing upgrade you'r brakes.

 

[fireredGST]

Obtained from C&D May, 2003

0-60: 4.8

1/4 Mile:13.6

1/4 Speed:105

From a professional driver....


BMW DRAG TIMES


Here is a couple of drag runs, no 1.7 60ft there.

 

[fireredGST]

Originally posted by Redmachine
Yeah well my dad can beat up your dad:laugh:
Where's the love, he showed a m3 doing a 12.6 in he 1/4, you know stock ls1's that waste m3's. ok now everyone's even Have a nice night

Done hate cause you drive a slow ass N/T , you cant even beat a buick....:thumbdown