just got a auto 2g

[domthebomb11208]

jus bought this car for 500 bucks with a blown headgasket. Has 3" turbo back,and a boost controller. plan on doin a 50 trim setup with 850cc injectors and 272's,and a 255 intank with dsmlink.What convertor would be goond to get this thing to sixty foot hard? is nitrous required for spoolup?? any thoughts would help

 

[HighPSI TSi Guy]

depends how much money you want to spend. You would want a 5000ish stall. The highest OEM restall from hughes might be able to get it going, but a billet precision converter would probably be a more sure bet.

 

[DougR]

Just remeber TC stall is ultimately controlled by engine Torque output...
A 3200 in a 200 torque car will respond completly different to a 3200 in a 350 torque car....

 

[HighPSI TSi Guy]

Just remeber TC stall is ultimately controlled by engine Torque output...
A 3200 in a 200 torque car will respond completly different to a 3200 in a 350 torque car....

Problem is turbos throw the curve ball. Boost makes torque, RPM makes boost. Boost is needed to make the RPM.

 

[domthebomb11208]

i was thinking about a ipt restall? 5k stall? o my god really? how will it be during normal driving tho?

what about this one?
2G DSM Lock up Race Converter [RCT15/2F4A33RC2G] - $500.00 : Chicago Connection, Online Store

or would this one be better?
2G DSM AWD Lock up Street Converter [RCT15/2F4A332G] - $400.00 : Chicago Connection, Online Store

 

[domthebomb11208]

has anyone used these convertors? i hate to order it then have a p.o.s. on my hands.

 

[DougR]

A high stall convertor makes intial take off during DD feel "mushy" depending on how high you go.
Lets say this, On my Truck with the stock convertor. There was no "delay" when leaving a stop sign, With regular driving.
After installing a 3200, The truck will leave the line alil slower (feels like the clutch's are slipping) under "Normal" driving conditions.
Now if you punch it it leaves Alot harder then with the stock converter. Due to the engine being higher up in the torque curve.

Another example. My bro's camero. With the 3200 I now have in my truck. His car left the line Almost like it had a stock convertor in it. Once he upgraded to a 4000. He now leaves the line with the mushy feel. Unless he stomps it... the first day we installed it and went out for a run, When the car revved to 1700 before it even moved, It had us flipping out, We didnt expect a 4k to be that loose. Lets just say it took some getting used to when daily driving the car. With the 4k He almost pulls a wheel off the ground.

Higher stall convertors allows the engine to rev alil higher before it fully engages and moves you forward.
But as said above Torque Makes a major difference with Any convertor. Aka Higher the torque your engine makes the longer it takes for the convertor to engage and move you.

Do not get a real high stall convertor unless your track duty only or dont care for DD at all.
Picking stall choices "for me" is a crap shoot.. I really dont understand "How" to properly pick the right stall #. But I do know how they work.
Someone once told me stall choice was influenced by your cam profile, But how, I dont know.

Buy from a reputable vendor, better yet Call Jacks, Hughes, Etc, And talk to them directly. They will beable to help you far greater then most guys here. Considering most Performance driven DSM'ers are running manuals.

 

[twack]

i would get the roadsurge shift box immediately so at times you can have full manual control over the car and its pretty damn cheap for what it can do. pm me for more info

 

[domthebomb11208]

what is the stall on a stock stall convertor? knowing that can help me out abit.

 

[HighPSI TSi Guy]

It all depends on your setup. Highest I've seen one get on a 2.0 is about 3600ish, but it kinda takes a while and you need a setup sorta geared towards it. A stroker might do a little better on a stock stall, and I've seen them pushed further with nitrous as well.

 

[domthebomb11208]

It all depends on your setup. Highest I've seen one get on a 2.0 is about 3600ish, but it kinda takes a while and you need a setup sorta geared towards it. A stroker might do a little better on a stock stall, and I've seen them pushed further with nitrous as well.

thanks, i was going to do a 50 trim setup but a big16g came by super cheap so im just going to buy that. i cant see spending 400 dollars on a convertor and only being 500ish higher. id ###### just go with the 5k stall for 500 dollars. has anyone ever heard of the company of the links i posted above?

 

[jrohner]

You need to figure out your setup and then call IPT. 5000 stall seems way high to me for only a 50 trim. Remember, higher stall will take more power away from you due to slippage.

Why don't you run it with either the stock turbo, or a 14b, or a 16g first? The stock converter works great with a small turbo. I'd still start with the stock one even with a bigger turbo, then you're more apt to know what you do need. My talon with a 14b @20-21psi can spin and get sideways easily on take off. If I was to build an auto car, I'd definitely go with a 2.4 and a Holset HX35; I think the stock stall would work great with a setup like that.

 

[domthebomb11208]

You need to figure out your setup and then call IPT. 5000 stall seems way high to me for only a 50 trim. Remember, higher stall will take more power away from you due to slippage.

Why don't you run it with either the stock turbo, or a 14b, or a 16g first? The stock converter works great with a small turbo. I'd still start with the stock one even with a bigger turbo, then you're more apt to know what you do need. My talon with a 14b @20-21psi can spin and get sideways easily on take off. If I was to build an auto car, I'd definitely go with a 2.4 and a Holset HX35; I think the stock stall would work great with a setup like that.

thats what i'm going to do..i ended up finding a big16g for super cheap..im just trying to get to the low 12's and still remain auto and still be able to daily drive the car.