Joined the DSM world today

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Finally found a good DSM in my area and bought it today. 95 Talon TSi AWD @109K with half of a 2gb conversion done, bone stock other than an airfilter. Its pretty close to mint, other than having a bunch of unpainted and scratched up 2gb body pieces. Interior is spotless.

The car has been sitting for awhile and the battery is dead and the waterpump is leaking. I am going to change all the fluids tomorrow and get the waterpump and timing belt changed along with new plugs/wires. Anything else recommended for a car thats been sitting?

It came with a Big T-28 Killer turbo (I think? it has AiResearch printed on the housing), lowering springs, Unorthodox UDP, and some intercooler piping all uninstalled in boxes along with the 2gb rear bumper and sideskirts.

First order after preventative maintenance will be getting the 2gb conversion finished and painted (should I leave the hood black?). Then supporting mods for the T-28 Killer. Its pretty much comparable to a Big 16g right, so I can look at setups for that turbo for ideas on fuel system requirements right?

If I have the money, I'm going to set the car up to run e-85 since its easily available here now. Any info on what I should get to do that would be appreciated. I don't know how to calculate how huge of injectors I would need for that.

I have around $4k to play with on this, any input on my plans is appreciated since I want this done in time to enjoy while theres still some summer.


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[staticbrainwash]

Do all your maintenience and let us know after plugs/wires/fluid.

 

[GSXTAGEX]

First make sure there are no loose / missing connections. Next boost leak test. check all your fuel system connections and hoses. Welcome to Hell

 

[eclipseGSTud]

Welcome to DSMtuners and the DSM world!

 

[dave99gst]

welcome to the family -- you can no longer get out

e-85 : your supposed to lose any rubber fuel lines, add approx 20% more fuel, and start out with a clean fuel filter. Being AWD you already have a plastic fuel tank.

 

[bling5tatus]

Yes, welcome to hell.

 

[Smitherines]

Welcome to the DSM community, you're going to have either alot of fun or alot of distress depending on how you take care of your car.

But with that aside, please do not install the Unorthodox underdrive pulley. It doesnt have a dampener on it and it will adversely affect your crankshaft and bearings.

Anyways, just like everyone else said, do a tune-up and do as much preventative maintenance as you possibly can now. You will thank yourself later.

 

[deflator]

welcome to the family -- you can no longer get out

e-85 : your suposed to loose any rubber fuel lines, add approx 20% more fuel, and start out with a clean fuel filter. Being AWD you allready have a plastic fuel tank.

Thanks! Good to see at least one person very local to me with 'wiseman' status.
Doesn't sound too difficult to setup E85, I'm sure I'll need DSMLink though.

Yes, welcome to hell.

Heh you guys sure are encouraging. I've already been to a designed hell with my stealth so I think I'll be ok. Definitely going to keep ~$2K in an oh-shit-fund

But with that aside, please do not install the Unorthodox underdrive pulley. It doesn't have a dampener on it and it will adversely affect your crankshaft and bearings.

I've never seen it proven where not having an harmonic balancer caused an engine to fail, I always thought that was more of a myth. Still, I don't care for dim headlights and its not that great of a mod for the price IMO so I'll probably just sell it.

 

[staticbrainwash]

These are WAAAAY easier than a stealth for sure. You'll have a blast man!

 

[95CarbonEclipse]

welcome to teh world of jackstands

Yes... take some of that money and invest in an extra set.

 

[deflator]

Okay, I think its all squared away. Did a full 120k maintenance and had my mechanic check over the hoses and everything. Car is running pretty close to perfect, just has an obnoxious leak in the manifold.

Now I guess its time to start doing my best to break 'er. I was thinking Walbro 255hp, 850cc injectors and DSMLink should be good for E85 after I get the rest of the staged upgrades done. I am just wondering if that is large enough on the injectors for the Big T28 Killer? Could I go to 950cc+ without idle issues?
I'm looking to max out the T28 Killer but still have room if and when I get bored with that turbo.

 

[Calan]

Welcome to the ... DARK SIDE ...

Save half your money for the parts you're going to break while "having fun", and the other half for all the custom tools you'll end up making and buying

 

[kenamond]

You mentioned "sputtering" under the spark plug cover. Is it ticking? Did it go away after the tune up? If it's still around, it might be lifter tick. The lash adjusters (often called lifters) on front end of the motor are last to get oil, and seem to be the first to start ticking, but you said it was coming from the left end. Could still be the lash adjusters. And you can change them if you want your motor to sound like new.

It would be nice if someone could track down a supplier for the special lash adjuster replacement tool. Pry bars and screwdrivers can be a bit awkward, and that tool looks like it'd be cheap and super easy to use. If someone has one, it'd be great if they could post the specs so others could make them (just a flat piece of steel cut in a special shape).

And don't forget to boost leak test. The tester is one of the first tools you should have.

Too bad you went with the eclipse 2gb body. I'm partial to the 2gb talon look for some reason .

Welcome aboard!

EDIT: I'd go with NGK BPR6ES plugs for now. They're only $2.50 each for the 6s and 7s, so you aren't going to break the bank when you eventually increase boost.

 

[deflator]

You mentioned "sputtering" under the spark plug cover. Is it ticking? Did it go away after the tune up? If it's still around, it might be lifter tick. The lash adjusters (often called lifters) on front end of the motor are last to get oil, and seem to be the first to start ticking, but you said it was coming from the left end. Could still be the lash adjusters. And you can change them if you want your motor to sound like new.

It would be nice if someone could track down a supplier for the special lash adjuster replacement tool. Pry bars and screwdrivers can be a bit awkward, and that tool looks like it'd be cheap and super easy to use. If someone has one, it'd be great if they could post the specs so others could make them (just a flat piece of steel cut in a special shape).

And don't forget to boost leak test. The tester is one of the first tools you should have.

Too bad you went with the eclipse 2gb body. I'm partial to the 2gb talon look for some reason .

Welcome aboard!

EDIT: I'd go with NGK BPR6ES plugs for now. They're only $2.50 each for the 6s and 7s, so you aren't going to break the bank when you eventually increase boost.

Thanks, the sputtering was actually just a leak in the manifold, but I have another ported one so its not a big deal. Its not lifter tick, it just sounded like it was coming from the spark plug cover. Boost leak test is going to happen tomorrow.
Yeah I would've preferred the 2gb talon body, but it came with the eclipse and its not a big difference.

 

[Talesin]

With DSMLink you can run as large injectors as you want with no effect on low end drivability or idle. You can compensate for the global deadtime differences as well as the flow increase... the deadtime is why SAFCs have such horrible problems when you get over 650s. It can't compensate for the extra lag, just lie about air to reduce the effective pulse width.

I really doubt you'll run out of injector with just a 't28 killer' on 850s.

 

[deflator]

With DSMLink you can run as large injectors as you want with no effect on low end drivability or idle. You can compensate for the global deadtime differences as well as the flow increase... the deadtime is why SAFCs have such horrible problems when you get over 650s. It can't compensate for the extra lag, just lie about air to reduce the effective pulse width.

I really doubt you'll run out of injector with just a 't28 killer' on 850s.

Well I want to do the fuel system only once, and I'll probably get bored with this turbo eventually. I'm new to turbo cars so I'm starting small in the power area. Next would probably be a 50trim.

Another question, I don't know how many miles are on the t28. I can't feel any shaftplay, but would it be a good idea to get it rebuilt anyway?

 

[kenamond]

Well I want to do the fuel system only once, and I'll probably get bored with this turbo eventually. I'm new to turbo cars so I'm starting small in the power area. Next would probably be a 50trim.

Another question, I don't know how many miles are on the t28. I can't feel any shaftplay, but would it be a good idea to get it rebuilt anyway?

I wouldn't. It's a couple hundred bucks you could spend on other things you actually need. Every oil change you might want to consider doing a boost leak test and checking shaft play.

Another thing to consider is how you want the car to drive. The nice thing about the smaller turbos is that you have faster spool, which is fun on the street. But the fast spool is due to a smaller A/R turbine housing which has the negative trait of not flowing as much, so they fade at higher rpm. If you go to a big turbo, you loose the fast spool, but get better top end power. Better for the drag strip, but not as fun for street driving.

 

[deflator]

Another thing to consider is how you want the car to drive. The nice thing about the smaller turbos is that you have faster spool, which is fun on the street. But the fast spool is due to a smaller A/R turbine housing which has the negative trait of not flowing as much, so they fade at higher rpm. If you go to a big turbo, you loose the fast spool, but get better top end power. Better for the drag strip, but not as fun for street driving.

Right now I just want a fun daily driver out of it so a smaller turbo should be good.

I guess I'm ready to put the t28 Killer on the car and just leave it at stock boost level. I'll be replacing the manifold too with a ported one. I'm sure I'll need a new manifold gasket, but will I need manifold studs too or anything else?

 

[kenamond]

Right now I just want a fun daily driver out of it so a smaller turbo should be good.

I guess I'm ready to put the t28 Killer on the car and just leave it at stock boost level. I'll be replacing the manifold too with a ported one. I'm sure I'll need a new manifold gasket, but will I need manifold studs too or anything else?

The stud/nut set is cheap. I'd get new turbo/mani bolts and washers, too. If your car is stock, replace the stud/nut on the mani/turbo interface with a bolt just like the other 3. Check ExtremePSI.com or Slowboy racing for either of these. I got all of those through ExtremePSI when I did my turbo swap.

And you can make your car a lot more fun with other mods even if you have the T28. Many of the mods are applicable to other turbos, so you're not wasting your money. I'm not familiar with that turbo, but if you can find out more about it, you can get a better idea of how much boost you can run efficiently, etc. Boost is basically a torque multiplier, so if you think about it, bumping the boost from 12psi (stock) to 18psi is adding a bunch of torque!! So upgrading fuel pump, exhaust, intercooler piping, boost controller, and maxing out the stock injectors, you can get a noticeable gain. And if you plan on going farther, you can upgrade the injectors and get SAFC, DSMlink, or some other tuning mechanism to go beyond. Just be careful upgrading parts that won't be compatible with your ultimate goals. Like intercooler piping for the stock sidemount would be a bit of a waste if you intended to run an FMIC. You could sell the parts, but not for what you paid. And buying an O2 housing flanged for the T28 that's not compatible with your "dream turbo" that's flanged differently would also be a part you'd have to buy and replace.

 

[deflator]

The stud/nut set is cheap. I'd get new turbo/mani bolts and washers, too. If your car is stock, replace the stud/nut on the mani/turbo interface with a bolt just like the other 3. Check ExtremePSI.com or Slowboy racing for either of these. I got all of those through ExtremePSI when I did my turbo swap.

And you can make your car a lot more fun with other mods even if you have the T28. Many of the mods are applicable to other turbos, so you're not wasting your money. I'm not familiar with that turbo, but if you can find out more about it, you can get a better idea of how much boost you can run efficiently, etc. Boost is basically a torque multiplier, so if you think about it, bumping the boost from 12psi (stock) to 18psi is adding a bunch of torque!! So upgrading fuel pump, exhaust, intercooler piping, boost controller, and maxing out the stock injectors, you can get a noticeable gain. And if you plan on going farther, you can upgrade the injectors and get SAFC, DSMlink, or some other tuning mechanism to go beyond. Just be careful upgrading parts that won't be compatible with your ultimate goals. Like intercooler piping for the stock sidemount would be a bit of a waste if you intended to run an FMIC. You could sell the parts, but not for what you paid. And buying an O2 housing flanged for the T28 that's not compatible with your "dream turbo" that's flanged differently would also be a part you'd have to buy and replace.

Thanks, ExtremePSI looks like a good shop.
I'm going to purchase the Slowboy fuel package with 950cc injectors and DSMLink to leave room for growth. I've done quite a bit of research so I know all the big stuff I need, I just need help on the little crap I need to install all the upgrades. I know what I'm doing in theory, I just haven't personally done it before
I'm still getting the staged upgrades in the tech guide done, then fuel, ebay fmic, and turbo. Sometime in there I should start getting some stuff done to the A/T tranny.

 

[Calan]

Do some more Vendor research

ExtremePSI is very good from my experience though.

 

[deflator]

Ok, I am getting a 3" exhaust made and I can't figure out which O2 housing to get. The only one I could find that was 3" outlet is the Dejon tool ported EVO housing, but its sold out.
Would 2.5" outlet be fine? Seems like that would be a bottleneck mated to a 3" exhaust.

I hope somebody is still reading, I'd hate to make a new thread just for this.

 

[staticbrainwash]

2.5" is perfectly fine. It's actually fine for the first 24" or so because the exhaust gas is so hot. So yeah, 2.5 is good. Also, check out Punishments line of tubular o2's. They've got a nice coated one for about 120 i think. Looks hot.

 

[deflator]

2.5" is perfectly fine. It's actually fine for the first 24" or so because the exhaust gas is so hot. So yeah, 2.5 is good. Also, check out Punishments line of tubular o2's. They've got a nice coated one for about 120 i think. Looks hot.

Ah okay, thanks. I think I'll just get the megan one since its cheaper than the punishment one.

 

[deflator]

I bought a Megan N-1 style muffler. Does anyone have any sound clips or can give me and idea of how loud that would be with 3" catless exhaust with a resonator? I want the exhaust to be pretty quiet and I'm wondering if one resonator is enough or if I should put 2 on there

Also, I am wondering what gauges to get. I am going to get boost and egt. Any other ones necessary? And is the extra price for electric gauges really worth it?

 

[deflator]

Got her back from the painters, had to bring this back to show she isn't a monstrosity anymore

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