johnny racecar's fmic, who has one?

[thekellbeast]

Well, first of all...those fins are what makes an intercooler an "inter"cooler. We all know that the intercooler works by cooling the compressed hot air charge....but how? Those internal fins are the means to exhange the heat from the compressed hot air onto the outer portion of the core itself. Then as air flows around and through the outside of the core, that heat exhange cools the internal compressed intake charge and all is good in DSM land. :laugh:

Actually it's called an "inter"cooler is because on deisel setups with compund turbos feeding each other, they're used to cool off the air, in between turbos. They will have multiple intercoolers, and an aftercooler. What DSM'ers (and almost all other turbo people) call intercoolers, are in fact aftercoolers. The name got switched up somewhere.

 

[14.5 drift]

Well your tooner theories are all good for message boards but we'll see how they hold up when 1badtsi and I get them on the dyno. If it's crap, we'll soon find out.

as fecisious as your reply was dont take mine the wrong way.

Just trying to point out from a preformance stand point why that cooler is not the best buy. Go ahead, buy one and proove physics wrong

 

[icedearth15]

Hey Everybody,

I know alot of people say don't put a fmic on a 14b because of the pressure drop and everything,but for the price, i reallty like that one and i shouldn't have my 14b that long,do you think it would make a good difference on a 14b'e GSX? Thanks

Made a huge difference in tuning and seat of the pants feel on my 14b equipped car.

 

[superflip506]

any true reviews of the JRC intercoolers?

 

[Turbocharged]

If your looking for "bang for the buck" why dont you look into a supra sidemount. Those can setup for under $75. They are high flowing and supras are capable of 400+ hp.

Im not trying to flame anybody here. All im saying is that you can get a spearco of the similar dimensions in a bar plate design for about $120 more.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33742&item=7923119980&rd=1

I know not everyone wants to pay $330 for an intercooler when they can get one of similar dimensions for $120 less, but you need to consider flow capability. When you look into that johnnyracecar intercooler, it certainly doesnt look like it flows well. Its an inferior tube fin design. If you look into a spearco or even a stock MKIV SMIC and compare it to the JR IC's, it is obvious which will flow better.

Anyways, Im in the process of building my own custom FMIC. I was originally looking at the JR ICs until I did some research. Now I am sold on spearco of roughly 24x8x3. When its all said and done, Ill have a custom spearco fmic w/ all piping for under $600. I think thats very affordable considering what Im getting. I think its a better deal than a JR fmic for $500, and certainly better than buying a $1000+ fmic kit from a shop.

 

[98spydert]

as fecisious as your reply was dont take mine the wrong way.

Just trying to point out from a preformance stand point why that cooler is not the best buy. Go ahead, buy one and proove physics wrong

As witty as you try to be you only seem to repeat what others post on tuners at least once a week. So we know you can read and repeat, but do you have ANY experiance with ANY intercoolers besides stock? Until there's flow numbers, efficiency numbers or any type of feedback on these, what's the point of putting them down? Just don't buy them and move on to the next thread.

If these intercoolers turn out to be worth while, a lot of DSMtuners members will be able to rock a FMIC for less than $300 said and done.

 

[98spydert]

If your looking for "bang for the buck" why dont you look into a supra sidemount. Those can setup for under $75. They are high flowing and supras are capable of 400+ hp.

Im not trying to flame anybody here. All im saying is that you can get a spearco of the similar dimensions in a bar plate design for about $120 more.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33742&item=7923119980&rd=1

I know not everyone wants to pay $330 for an intercooler when they can get one of similar dimensions for $120 less, but you need to consider flow capability. When you look into that johnnyracecar intercooler, it certainly doesnt look like it flows well. Its an inferior tube fin design. If you look into a spearco or even a stock MKIV SMIC and compare it to the JR IC's, it is obvious which will flow better.

Anyways, Im in the process of building my own custom FMIC. I was originally looking at the JR ICs until I did some research. Now I am sold on spearco of roughly 24x8x3. When its all said and done, Ill have a custom spearco fmic w/ all piping for under $600. I think thats very affordable considering what Im getting. I think its a better deal than a JR fmic for $500, and certainly better than buying a $1000+ fmic kit from a shop.

For the common DSMer, what's the draw back of running a tube/fin rather than the superior bar/plate? Everyone understands the numbers but what's it going to mean to the guy behing the steering wheel?

 

[14.5 drift]

As witty as you try to be you only seem to repeat what others post on tuners at least once a week. So we know you can read and repeat, but do you have ANY experiance with ANY intercoolers besides stock? Until there's flow numbers, efficiency numbers or any type of feedback on these, what's the point of putting them down? Just don't buy them and move on to the next thread.

If these intercoolers turn out to be worth while, a lot of DSMtuners members will be able to rock a FMIC for less than $300 said and done.

WTF is your problem, i am not trying to insult any one, and i feel i desearve the same respect. if you dont like what i am saying it is not your right to start dissing me, guess what? This is not your house!!! Show some respect when your in some one elses house!!!


As I said, i dont want to E battle with any one, all i am saying is it is not a best buy you whol;e heartedly are trying to make it out to be. Dont shoot the messanger here buddy. I am not saying you should pay 1000 dollars for a abig name brand kit, but the fact that for a few dollars more you can find a much nicer core. I have yet to see why this information is so insulting to you.


Let me break it down for you on a scale of one to ten (trying really hard not to make you mad here)


free stock sidemount gets a 4

250 dollar johny core gets a 6

350 bar and blate spearco gets an 8


The difference in price is not staggering but the performnce is. If you choose to ignore that, that is fine, but if you decide to throw another temper tantrum that is not fine. Quit acting like a child.

 

[14.5 drift]

Like the word of god, you can choose to ignore it.

 

[markgholland]

Like the word of god, you can choose to ignore it.

You're right if it makes you feel any better. A FMIC is one of the best investments any DSMer will make... they apparently haven't caught the bug and have no intentions of upgrading past a 16g. To each their own.

Oh, and by the way, I paid over $750 for my FMIC core only and I plan to enjoy every dollar of it

~Mark

 

[Turbocharged]

You're right if it makes you feel any better. A FMIC is one of the best investments any DSMer will make... they apparently haven't caught the bug and have no intentions of upgrading past a 16g. To each their own.

Oh, and by the way, I paid over $750 for my FMIC core only and I plan to enjoy every dollar of it

~Mark

Well put. Lets all stop arguing over "which intercooler is better" and stick to the topic. Im interested in hearing some REAL WORLD performance gains from these intercoolers. We all agree that it is a big improvement over stock, but im interested in seening how big of an improvement. Anyone have before and after track times or dyno runs?...

 

[kpt4321]

I know alot of people say don't put a fmic on a 14b because of the pressure drop and everything,but for the price, i reallty like that one and i shouldn't have my 14b that long,do you think it would make a good difference on a 14b'e GSX? Thanks

Anybody who says you shouldn't use a FMIC (or any type of upgraded intercooling) on a 14b powered car is a moron. Better intercooling will increase power and decrease knock propensity on any setup, end of story.

 

[kpt4321]

Like the word of god, you can choose to ignore it.

What the hell? What does that even mean? Are you preaching?

 

[WhiteCloud]

I think he is comparing what he is saying to the word of God. Which would mean he is claiming...to be....God.

Interesting.

It seems like for people looking for something efficient on a 14b, 16g, maybe even a 20g, the JR intercooler might do the job. If you're looking at a FP3065 or getting into serious turbos, you may want to invest a few hundred more (not a few dollars more, as 14.5 was saying ), and get a superior, brand name core.

But for your turbo DSM, daily driving, performance enthusiast, the JR intercooler would do the job for the majority of the more stereotypically "streetable" turbos IMHO.

This is all circumstancial and hypothetical bullshit until we have flow stats on both intercoolers, or dyno numbers.

 

[JessesTalon]

A local guy here runs 11.3's on his... with fp green

I ran that IC for a while(14b)... then sold it to a friend and he loves it as well(14b)

awesome IC for the price you cannot get better...

0wn3d

JRRacing the guy has a 9 Second Z runs one as well

 

[1badtsi]

A local guy here runs 11.3's on his... with fp green

I ran that IC for a while(14b)... then sold it to a friend and he loves it as well(14b)

awesome IC for the price you cannot get better...

0wn3d

JRRacing the guy has a 9 Second Z runs one as well

thank you for actually offering some info instead of arguing

 

[98spydert]

thank you for actually offering some info instead of arguing

Sorry I ruined your thread by poking him in the ribs :thumbdown

Back to topic: I agree with what someone up there said; these things look like plently for a 14b/16G turbo and for someone who doesn't plan to go any bigger.

 

[14.5 drift]

What the hell? What does that even mean? Are you preaching?

Free will brotha, free will.

 

[drk mrk iv]

These intercoolers look great and everything. The only thing Im confused about is the intercooler piping. Im at a loss of how to get this stuff done. I know we need it... Just don't know how... Any general stuff about it? Mendrel bent piping is needed, couplings, ect. ect.

 

[doug]

Those end tanks look a bit small to me. Seems like that design could create turbulence and/or prevent maximum core usage. Should that be a concern or what?

 

[sweet97]

I went to Johnies webste and am confused( nothing new as I am slow) on the price of the IC with piping. Anyone know what it is or do we need to fab our own piping?
I would like a price for the IC with all piping and brackets available, thanks!
Free will is never mentioned in the Bible. There is nothing wrong with mentioning God in a discussion in a car club. He did create all we are enjoying with these cars. That's 1 reason why I like Dejon tool, they provide a tract with each order, cool!
I am from the 60's and have found in the year 2000 that al we were looking for was right there in front of us. Love & Peace! Still valid now in most circles. mark

 

[98spydert]

Have an exhaust shop bend you some pipes to make the IC pipes you'll need. If you want to/can do it yourself, get some mandrel bends from JC Whitney and make your own. The passenger side needs a 90 degree bend and a 45 degree bend. The driver side will need a 180 to get around the radiator and a 90 to get up to the turbo j pipe or compresser housing. If you have a friend that can weld (or if you can) you'll be set. Otherwise, a lot of silicone connecters will be needed but it'll still work.

JRC doesn't make IC pipes for our cars (or any I don't think). He just makes the intercoolers.

 

[Turbocharged]

He does make pipes, check his other auctions. I think you would be better off having a muffler shop bend some pipe for you though. That way it is perfectly to your specs. Im going to buy some straight aluminum pipes and have them bent at a local shop for my spearco.

 

[98spydert]

He does make pipes, check his other auctions. I think you would be better off having a muffler shop bend some pipe for you though. That way it is perfectly to your specs. Im going to buy some straight aluminum pipes and have them bent at a local shop for my spearco.

Did I miss something?? http://cgi6.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/...erid=tjn115&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50

 

[98spydert]

Where's the best place to pick up some aluminum bends and straight pipe??