Is it time for me to get a DSMlink?

[misterskeetz]

I will make this short and sweet. I am lightly modded. Here is the rundown...

-T25
-Hallman Pro MBC
-1G bov
-Apexi LICP
-RRE UICP
-Completely stock exhaust system

So what is the next performance mod? I have a high flow cat yet to be bolted on. Do I go DSMlink? Grab a catback?

I would also like to ask all of you to please not recommend a turboback exhaust. This is not a track car. It is a daily driver. I live in California. CARB is a bi***.

 

[nyTalonTsi]

Your still running a stock turbo and exhaust. You don't need dsmlink at this point, just get you a good cat-back IMO because that stock exhaust is a restrictor for extra power and start off with an exhaust and go from there brah.

 

[misterskeetz]

Your still running a stock turbo and exhaust. You don't need dsmlink at this point, just get you a good cat-back IMO because that stock exhaust is a restrictor for extra power and start off with an exhaust and go from there brah.

Thanks for the info bro! BTW..I hate to admit it..but I was actually considering an ebay "japanimportshop" catback. I figure, it's cheap enough so if I don't like it, not such a huge loss. I think I just want to do it once though so My choice is a Megan.

TO ALL - Please feel free to suggest manufacturers.

 

[Gamble97]

Well first it all depends on what your goals and budget is for your car.
Doesn't everything have to look stockish in california?
There is nothing wrong with a turbo-back exhaust, if you leave your cat on or have a high flow cat put on.
Personally, what you can do or atleast what I would do next:
14b turbo (or 16g) if you want to keep it stock. 14bs can be found for cheap
evo3 or tubular o2 housing
evo3 or fp turbo manifold
walbro 190 fuel pump
evo 560 or 650cc injectors (safc or dsmlink needed to compensate for them)
Wideband
Boost gauge if you don't have one

It's also not all about speed, you can do other stuff:
Rims
tires
bushing kit
motor mount inserts
coilovers, springs, struts
sway bars

The list goes on and on and on.

 

[nyTalonTsi]

Go ahead with an ebay, if your on a budget go ahead with it. Ebay cat-backs are pretty good for the money. The only parts like that i'd buy are an exhaust and intake.

 

[mindset]

It's always time for DSMlink.

 

[nyTalonTsi]

He better have an aftermarket boost gauge, using a mbc that stock gauge sucks.

He needs to upgrade the exhaust before dsmlink. Link isn't cheap, especially that hes got a 98, he will still need an eprom unless hes already upgraded.

 

[misterskeetz]

Well first it all depends on what your goals and budget is for your car.
Doesn't everything have to look stockish in california?
There is nothing wrong with a turbo-back exhaust, if you leave your cat on or have a high flow cat put on.
Personally, what you can do or atleast what I would do next:
14b turbo (or 16g) if you want to keep it stock. 14bs can be found for cheap
evo3 or tubular o2 housing
evo3 or fp turbo manifold
walbro 190 fuel pump
evo 560 or 650cc injectors (safc or dsmlink needed to compensate for them)
Wideband
Boost gauge if you don't have one

It's also not all about speed, you can do other stuff:
Rims
tires
bushing kit
motor mount inserts
coilovers, springs, struts
sway bars

The list goes on and on and on.

I have some 19" Racing Hart C2's to put on. I am good to go with that. I could also get my sideskirts redone. The silver wore off over the last 11 years. I'd like to know the benefits of motor mount inserts. Haven't done much research on them.

Go ahead with an ebay, if your on a budget go ahead with it. Ebay cat-backs are pretty good for the money. The only parts like that i'd buy are an exhaust and intake.

I am sure that the exhaust performs okay. I am worried about the quality of the welds and the sound it puts out. I have heard one clip of it and it sounds BAD!..

japanimportshop exhaust video clip

It's always time for DSMlink.

DSM wisemen say the same thing! I am sure that tuning will net me some good gains but at a high cost. In these times, I would like to keep the cost to a minimum.

He better have an aftermarket boost gauge, using a mbc that stock gauge sucks.

He needs to upgrade the exhaust before dsmlink. Link isn't cheap, especially that hes got a 98, he will still need an eprom unless hes already upgraded.

Gauges are available but not installed. Neither is the MBC...they will both be installed soon. I have not gotten an eprom yet. DSMlink w/ socket service will cost me 585. I have a DSM specialist shop about 30 mins away from my house. Might as well plug em...

FFtec


It's so hard for me to know what to do first! I also have a sound system that needs to get put in. Just missing a nice headunit. Recommendations on that would be dope!

 

[habitatguy187]

Tech Guide: 2G 4G63t Upgrades - DSMtuners

 

[DougR]

It's always time for DSMlink.

Nothing compares to a good tune..

 

[misterskeetz]

Tech Guide: 2G 4G63t Upgrades - DSMtuners

And there is...

2g Go Faster Pages
Buschur Racing - Your source for Mitsubishi racing parts and accessories
Buschur Racing - Your source for Mitsubishi racing parts and accessories
Buschur Racing - Your source for Mitsubishi racing parts and accessories
RRE 2nd Generation Eclipse Upgrade Path
Eclipse Upgrade Path

I have looked through all of the. Are they all right? Are they all wrong? I am just getting other opinions. I would tell you where to stick that cow...but

 

[habitatguy187]

I would tell you where to stick that cow...but

......but it's a donkey. The upgrade paths are tried and true over and over again. No not everyone (including myself) does them in order, but it's a very good guideline, no one can tell you what mod to do next, I personally would say fuel mods then turbo, but you still might not do that. It is what it is man, you have the guidelines, do what you want.

 

[spooln4fun]

DSMLink- No you mentioned your on a budget I would put this on the back burner
Exhaust- If you didn't like the sound of the ebay one, don't buy it or look at it any more, I recommend either the Megan Racing, Buschur Racing, Apexi N1, or have a muffler shop fab one up with a muffler of your choice ex: Magnaflow
Upgrade Paths are very great guidlines and worth taking in to consideration.
Stereo- Alpine CDA-9886, or Pioneer DEHP5100UB

1st thing I would do is install your boost gauge, then the mbc

 

[MichaelSuch]

Get your gauges installed, and boost controller. You can start turning up your boost a little then, but before you go to far I would get a data logger. The data logger will tell you everything your ECU sees and is a very helpful tool when your turning your boost up (it will tell you your injector duty cycle and if you have any knock)...

 

[Dsmj89]

You don't need a dsmlink, you could get one if you wish, but it really isn't necessary at your level, it's overkill. An apexi safc or safc2 would be more than enough for you.
As for exhaust, i don't know much about california laws but i would say get a full 2.5" cat-back to be on the safe side, if they don't complain about 3" systems, go full 3" then.

 

[ebanks89]

I would say get the exhaust, I think you will be happy with the results. that was one of my first mods after my after market boost gauge and air can mod. by the way still don't have the link yet, but setting up for one, I just have a chipped ecu and a safc II, and running low 12's

 

[SOADweskey]

I also have a sound system that needs to get put in. Just missing a nice headunit. Recommendations on that would be dope!

I just got one of these and I love it. If you don't want to mess with CDs and already own an iPod it is awesome.
Alpine Head unit for iPod

As far as the link goes, if you have any thoughts of maxing out a B16G or going beyond that later buy it before you waste your money on a SAFC. For now though I would probably get a nice exhaust if I were you.

And for the record I legal pass smog at test only station here in California with my B16G and turbo back exhaust with a high flow cat. I'm hoping my new internally gated PTE-5031 will be able to sneak by as well but we will see.

 

[UGOT8UP]

I have not gotten an eprom yet. DSMlink w/ socket service will cost me 585. I have a DSM specialist shop about 30 mins away from my house. Might as well plug em...

!

ECMlink socket service is for installing a just a socket in a E-Prom ecu, there E-Prom conversion is a service for us 1G guys, you will need to locate a 2G E-Prom ecu to run the link.

I have almost $1,000 in my link with my extra logging sensors and E-Prom conversion.

ECMlink is a great tool to use though just for it's data logging capabilities, which you will need.

 

[RedTurboEclipse]

pssssssh..

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...bay-3-turboback-downpipe-catback-exhaust.html

$250 shipped, full 3" turboback, all ss piping, nice quality, clean welds, etc.. good luck still finding it for that price though. you dont want the downpipe? fine sell it.. the catback on here is nicer than the japan imports, and cheaper, and comes with no neck down, but also comes with adapter to fit for stock cat and downpipe..

check this also

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...-style-intake-pipe-filter-review-install.html

as long as you have a cat, and other emissions equipment is in place, you find a place that isn't anal about visual, AND you don't get sent to the state ref, you can see what your fellow Bay Area DSMers are getting away with by checking our profiles and mods

oh and no you are not ready nor need DSMLink yet.

 

[misterskeetz]

pssssssh..

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...bay-3-turboback-downpipe-catback-exhaust.html

$250 shipped, full 3" turboback, all ss piping, nice quality, clean welds, etc.. good luck still finding it for that price though. you dont want the downpipe? fine sell it.. the catback on here is nicer than the japan imports, and cheaper, and comes with no neck down, but also comes with adapter to fit for stock cat and downpipe..

check this also

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...-style-intake-pipe-filter-review-install.html

as long as you have a cat, and other emissions equipment is in place, you find a place that isn't anal about visual, AND you don't get sent to the state ref, you can see what your fellow Bay Area DSMers are getting away with by checking our profiles and mods

oh and no you are not ready nor need DSMLink yet.

Hey Red!! That is a good idea. I checked the ssautochrome website for that turboback system and its marked as $325. If I get a 3" high flow...about how much do you think it would cost to weld it up? You told me about a shop that will do the work a while back. I am ready to install a DP if most of you are getting away with it.

And I totally forgot. I have a bomz ebay intake pipe with a 4.5" K&N filter. Since I installed it, I constantly get recognized for how loud my recirced 1G bov sounds.

 

[pboglio]

My list of cheapy mods that make a difference:

- FP 17 psi wastegate actuator (~$99). Makes a "huge" difference in how hard the turbo hits.
- Turbo-back exhaust no doubt.
- 3" highflow cat is a great idea, minimal power loss.
- DSMlink absolutely, worth every penny and then some. 1st mod I would do to a 2g DSM.
- Turbo MAF pipe replacement. I like RRE's 2.25" intake pipe or buy a 45* elbow (~$25) and make your own. Big difference in extra boost gained.
- Fuel pump rewire on the stock fuel pump (~$30)

 

[Gamble97]

My list of cheapy mods that make a difference:

- FP 17 psi wastegate actuator (~$99). Makes a "huge" difference in how hard the turbo hits.
- Turbo-back exhaust no doubt.
- 3" highflow cat is a great idea, minimal power loss.
- DSMlink absolutely, worth every penny and then some. 1st mod I would do to a 2g DSM.
- Turbo MAF pipe replacement. I like RRE's 2.25" intake pipe or buy a 45* elbow (~$25) and make your own. Big difference in extra boost gained.
- Fuel pump rewire on the stock fuel pump (~$30)

Wastegate actuator waste of money, spend $40 on a mbc and be done with it.
Joe P. MBC - joepmbc.com. Quality Manual Boost Controllers (MBC) for Turbocharged Vehicles

 

[pboglio]

Wrong, not waste of money but best money ever spent. When you look at the size of the wastegate port opening, and small diameter of the wastegate diaphram, then you'll understand what I'm talking about. Way too much backpressure lifting the wastegate open. An "mbc" is powerless to stop the T25 wastegate from bleeding boost during spoolup. The difference between the stock T25 wastegate actuator and an upgraded 17 psi wastegate actuator is dramatic in terms of spoolup acceleration and torque hit.

 

[misterskeetz]

Wrong, not waste of money but best money ever spent. When you look at the size of the wastegate port opening, and small diameter of the wastegate diaphram, then you'll understand what I'm talking about. Way too much backpressure lifting the wastegate open. An "mbc" is powerless to stop the T25 wastegate from bleeding boost during spoolup. The difference between the stock T25 wastegate actuator and an upgraded 17 psi wastegate actuator is dramatic in terms of spoolup acceleration and torque hit.

Can I get a link to check that out? I am going to do some research on this.

 

[misterskeetz]

I want to thank everybody for their input on this. I wasn't expecting so many replies! I am currently painting my bov to match my new UICP. I will be posting pics in a new thread shortly.

Please keep in mind that an upgraded turbo and dsmlink are all on my long term list of things I would like done. After the turboback and the MBC get installed...I will be resting on the mods and will be getting the car looking really nice...sideskirts repainted, cf hood, eibach and koni combo, racing hart c2 19", tint. Then I can get back to performance mods. plan on doing the turbo upgrade with al supporting mods at the same time.

Again, thanks to everyone that has posted. You all help me sleep better at night.