installed dsmlink and got these codes

[rowlex]

Rowlex criticized for piggy backing a piggy back... but didn't read very well, this all started with me saying piggy backing a piggy back is bad, turned into a side discussion about how how different setups work, then into this...

That is not what you said. Read it again. And a maft does not just set a baseline, maft can tune via RPM points as well.

I think the side discussion of other setups is great for this thread. Great info has been provided here.

EDIT: The site was lagged and i was unable to read the last few posts before I posted.
DSMLink does the same basic job manipulating the ECU that the AFC does. The only way to get away from it is to use AEM or any standalone.

xcz504d: if you intend on making real power definently get AEM. If I had it to do over again I would. My buddy had dsmlink +maft in his 1G, ran decently made decent power, still had trouble getting it to run right. Switched to AEM car runs BEAUTIFULL, he is rocking a 3065 though with a magnus and cams.

 

[Ultimatedsm]

I'm a cisco certified assosaiate and have worked for a major company already as it seems like YOU are just learning and have not even got out of school yet and I don't know enough to make tweek or do anything remotly near make dsmlink or any device to eliminate the maf. IF IT AINT STAND ALONE IT'S A PIGGY BACK! Dsmlink is nothing but safc and a chip with more controll over fuel rims and the ability to manipulate timing. So please buy these devices then talk about them don't guess or go off hear say.

Do you have a dsmlink? You think it is just another fuel trim and timing controlling device. Alright Mr.Certified Associate go to www.dsmlink.com get some more information before you judge. I think you need to take your own advice on "So please buy these devices then talk about them don't guess or go off hear say".

I own a DSMLINK, I know what it is capable of doing. A lot more than just some typical piggy back. You can even control sensors such as the knock sensor and so on. Anyway, go to there website for more information.

 

[rowlex]

Do you have a dsmlink? You think it is just another fuel trim and timing controlling device. Alright Mr.Certified Associate go to www.dsmlink.com get some more information before you judge. I think you need to take your own advice on "So please buy these devices then talk about them don't guess or go off hear say".

I own a DSMLINK, I know what it is capable of doing. A lot more than just some typical piggy back. You can even control sensors such as the knock sensor and so on. Anyway, go to there website for more information.

I think what he meant was the way dsmlink manipulates fuel control is the same as a piggyback. Not the other features dsmlink provides (which he provided for with the addition of a chip but did state dsmlink can do more (obviously)). Since that is the main topic in this thread.

 

[98spydert]

I'm a cisco certified assosaiate and have worked for a major company already as it seems like YOU are just learning and have not even got out of school yet and I don't know enough to make tweek or do anything remotly near make dsmlink or any device to eliminate the maf. IF IT AINT STAND ALONE IT'S A PIGGY BACK! Dsmlink is nothing but safc and a chip with more controll over fuel rims and the ability to manipulate timing. So please buy these devices then talk about them don't guess or go off hear say.

Wow, you're such a hot shot yet you can't separate your statements into proper sentences? Yes, I'm the one who hasn't finished school. WTF

Like I said before READ any book in the engine management system world and it will explain what an auxiliary controller is. One of the definitions is not "IF IT AINT STAND ALONE IT'S A PIGGY BACK."

Yes, I own and tune with DSMLink, the MAF-T, a PLX wide band, and GM map sensor. Yes, I used to write custom eprom chips for myself and other people. I can speak from first hand experience, can you?

Anyone who can't get a vehicle to run right with DSMLink and the MAF-T needs to pay someone to do it right and stop blaming their incompetence on the equipment.

 

[98spydert]

I think what he meant was the way dsmlink manipulates fuel control is the same as a piggyback. Not the other features dsmlink provides. Since that is the main topic in this thread.

But it's not! That's what we're trying to get across here. The SAFC hacks the airflow signal so the computer inputs more or less fuel based on the airflow reading it's getting.

DSMLink physically rewrites the fuel tables for every change to the sliders. The airflow signal remains the same but the fuel delivery is altered.

 

[xcz504d]

That is not what you said. Read it again. And a maft does not just set a baseline, maft can tune via RPM points as well.

I think the side discussion of other setups is great for this thread. Great info has been provided here.

EDIT: The site was lagged and i was unable to read the last few posts before I posted.
DSMLink however is a piggyback system, it does the same basic job manipulating the ECU that the AFC does. The only way to get away from it is to use AEM or any standalone.

xcz504d: if you intend on making real power definently get AEM. If I had it to do over again I would. My buddy had dsmlink +maft in his 1G, ran decently made decent power, still had trouble getting it to run right. Switched to AEM car runs BEAUTIFULL, he is rocking a 3065 though with a magnus and cams.

I agree with the great info, lots of insight, different views and opinions... Thats why I keep coming back to this thread

A hack is the same thing as a piggy back, but a piggy back is not the same thing as a hack. Make sense? Just because the DSM link doesn't hack into the wiring before the ECU doesn't mean it is not a piggy back, a piggy back system relies on the permenant system for sustainment, IE without the ECU there would be no DSMlink, without the DSMlink there would still be an ECU...


Mr. CCNA, did you know that Cisco says you are only qualified to fill a help desk position? I've been doing networking for 4 years, no offense to any of your experiances or anyone else you've worked with, but I've worked with, literally a genious, the guy is 25 years old, doesn't have a cisco cert, but wouldn't hesitate to pick up a phone, call the author of a technical document and argue about how wrong it is... In the 3 years I worked with him, I bet at least 3 technical documents were re-written, and at least one security document for DoD written by him (with callaboration from a group of people)... A cert only gets your resume on the desk, it doesn't get you the job, just because I'm in school doesn't mean I'm young and just starting life , let me know when you get through your first CCNP exam...

 

[xcz504d]

Wow, you're such a hot shot yet you can't separate your statements into proper sentences? Yes, I'm the one who hasn't finished school. WTF

Like I said before READ any book in the engine management system world and it will explain what an auxiliary controller is. One of the definitions is not "IF IT AINT STAND ALONE IT'S A PIGGY BACK."

Yes, I own and tune with DSMLink, the MAF-T, a PLX wide band, and GM map sensor. Yes, I used to write custom eprom chips for myself and other people. I can speak from first hand experience, can you?

Anyone who can't get a vehicle to run right with DSMLink and the MAF-T needs to pay someone to do it right and stop blaming their incompetence on the equipment.

First hand experiance with DSMlink, yes... On my own car, no...

MAF-T, seen the setups, never tuned with it, I think someone posted that it can "tune at different RPM levels" is that true?

 

[98spydert]

First hand experiance with DSMlink, yes... On my own car, no...

MAF-T, seen the setups, never tuned with it, I think someone posted that it can "tune at different RPM levels" is that true?

Yes, you can. It has the 3 basic knobs to get your fuel trims locked in. Then a different mode for rpm based tuning similar to the SAFC.

 

[xcz504d]

Yes, you can. It has the 3 basic knobs to get your fuel trims locked in. Then a different mode for rpm based tuning similar to the SAFC.

How accurate is that knob?

 

[rowlex]

How accurate is that knob?

Probably just as accurate as an SAFC it has an RPM wire. I dont know the intervals as I use DSMLink to tune my car with.

98spydert: It has more features and does it right at the ECU.

 

[98spydert]

I bought the MAF-T set up before I started writing EPROM chips and before I bought DSMLink. I was able to not only calibrate the GM sensor, but dial in a smooth AFR with just the MAFT alone. After tuning cars with just the MAF-T and just the SAFC, I believe they are both capable of the same thing. The MAF-T kills two birds with one stone. If all you want is the air/fuel controller, by all means, get the SAFC and get a few more rpm points.

 

[98spydert]

Probably just as accurate as an SAFC it has an RPM wire. I dont know the intervals as I use DSMLink to tune my car with.

98spydert: dsmlink is a piggyback. It has more features and does it right at the ECU, but nontheless(sp?) it is still a piggyback system.

We can go back and fourth all day. I'm telling you to refer to a professional reference, you're telling me your opinion. People can take both for what they're worth.

 

[Ultimatedsm]

Anyway DSMLINK is in its own category like I said earlier. It is a hybrid. It is kind of like a piggyback standalone.

Standalone because it requires a laptop to fiddle with virtually almost everything you can like a AEM system.

Piggy-back because it uses the stock ECU as the main reference where the AEM you just plug in a new unit all together.

Anyway, thats my opinion. I still don't think a DSMLINK falls into just the piggyback category, it is both.

 

[Ultimatedsm]

I think what he meant was the way dsmlink manipulates fuel control is the same as a piggyback. Not the other features dsmlink provides (which he provided for with the addition of a chip but did state dsmlink can do more (obviously)). Since that is the main topic in this thread.

And NO! It does not manipulate fuel control like a piggy-back. Do you own one? It is directly stored into the computer, not another device where you fiddle with knobs. It is in the PROM chip. PROM is where all your hard data is stored into the computer. Guess what, if the dsmlink is part of the hard data, it is NOT a piggy-back. The DSMLINK is PART of the ECU, there is no external device to tune anything. You have to plug in a laptop into the car directly (Like a standalone) to change anything. Thats why I say its not a piggy-back but a hybrid. I WIN YOU LOSE! .

 

[rowlex]

I'd be iinterested to know how you calibrated your maft without a loggable external boost source (which I have done). All you have done is tuned your car with the MAFT. As it would be near impossible to calibrate it correctly without an external loggable boost source, or a wideband. If you have DSMLink check the forums on how to calibrate the maft. Their are two ways, external loggable boost source, or wideband.

Ultimate: doesnt matter whether or not you have to plug a laptop into it to control it or not. That has nothing to do with the way it controls fuel, which is what we are talking about here. It controls fuel the same way a piggy back with knobs does. Imagine the piggy back with knows being the code in the ECU, it tricks it to add or remove fuel in the same way an safc does. If you had checked my profile you would see I am running DSMLink + maft(calibrated) with a 60-1.

 

[Ultimatedsm]

The S-AFC and the ECU+ are piggy-backs. They can't do nearly as many things as what the DSMLINK can do. Therefore it is not a piggyback.

 

[GVR4592]

DSMLINK isn't a piggyback. It gives you control of the parameters and functions of the stock ecu. It is in no way a piggyback. Like a lot of people said a piggyback intercepts a signal and modifies before it sends it to the ecu. Safc, maft, vpc, emanage, etc, are piggybacks. None of these give you control of the ecu. With dsmlink when you make a change you are actually changing the code in the eprom chip. Piggybacks can't do that. And for the guy that started this thread go to the dsmlink forums, posting on here about dsmlink is pretty much pointless when you can get all of your questions answered there without the bs.

 

[98spydert]

I'd be iinterested to know how you calibrated your maft without a loggable external boost source (which I have done). All you have done is tuned your car with the MAFT. As it would be near impossible to calibrate it correctly without an external loggable boost source, or a wideband. If you have DSMLink check the forums on how to calibrate the maft. Their are two ways, external loggable boost source, or wideband.

Is this a question for me? You answered it yourself: WB02.

Dsmlink manipulates the air signal the same as a piggyback does, it just does it at the ECU rather then an external source IE. safc. Therefor it is a piggyback.

Ok, open your mind for a second. DSMLink does NOT manipulate the airflow signal in any way to control the amount of fuel injected by the ECU. Again: DSMLink does NOT manipulate the airflow signal in any way to control the amount of fuel injected by the ECU. It's been said like 30 times already in this thread. What is so hard to understand about that?

Yes, DSMLink gives you the ability to manipulate the airflow signal for other purposes such as calibrating the MAF-T signal like you claim to have already done. That is not how we control fuel delivery with DSMLink and if you really own it, you should know this by now.

 

[Ultimatedsm]

DSMLINK isn't a piggyback. It gives you control of the parameters and functions of the stock ecu. It is in no way a piggyback. Like a lot of people said a piggyback intercepts a signal and modifies before it sends it to the ecu. Safc, maft, vpc, emanage, etc, are piggybacks. None of these give you control of the ecu. With dsmlink when you make a change you are actually changing the code in the eprom chip. Piggybacks can't do that. And for the guy that started this thread go to the dsmlink forums, posting on here about dsmlink is pretty much pointless when you can get all of your questions answered there without the bs.

Well said, I agree with all of this. Some people can't get it through there heads.

 

[Ultimatedsm]

Go to www.dsmlink.com for more information. It does not say ONCE it is a piggy-back system. ECU+, SAFC etc. All say it is a piggy back system. Just ask Thomas at ECM TUNING. End of discussion.

 

[98spydert]

Go to www.dsmlink.com for more information. It does not say ONCE it is a piggy-back system. ECU+, SAFC etc. All say it is a piggy back system. Just ask Thomas at ECM TUNING. End of discussion.

I wish it were that easy. The rumors and misinformation will forever float around these boards.

 

[rowlex]

Is this a question for me? You answered it yourself: WB02.

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You said with a MAFT alone, you had no mention of an WBO2.

 

[larsrya8]

Where's the love? I hate it when you guys fight...

...at least about petty things like whether DSMLink is a piggyback or not.

 

[98spydert]

You said with a MAFT alone, you had no mention of an WBO2.

Sorry, I meant without DSMLink or a modified EPROM chip.

 

[Ultimatedsm]

Alright this thread is honestly done . The original poster probably went somewhere else. Before someone makes an assumption like DSMLINK is a piggy-back system PLEASE, get the facts before you do so. Go on their forums or ask them directly.