Ideas From Other 1G AWD Turbo DSMers

[KlaSoliz]

Hey, im doing a big engine swap and body swap. First off, I am removing my Talon Engine. I will be putting a non turbo Laser Engine in and putting on my turbo system. As the engine is out, I will be taking the Talon body off(bad body damage) and putting the Laser body on. Answering one or two or all questions will help out.

Questions about Body Swap:
Will the Front Wheel Drive Automatic Laser body fit on my All Wheel Drive Manual Talon Frame?


After that, when I start putting the engine back in, I want to start modding and installing parts. Below is my parts list so far and I want to know what people think and what changes I should make if the parts are not compatible with each other or a part is better for a part that I have already listed.

ADFX 1G FMIC Kit - This unit measures 24x10x3.25, crossflow design, with 2.5" inlet and outlets facing the D-ports to pass to allow for short route piping
http://www.dsmtuners.com/parts/product_info.php?cPath=2_136_32&products_id=763

Turbonetics T3/T4 Manifold - Designed for mounting the T3/T4 Garret turbos. Uses external wastegate.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/parts/product_info.php?cPath=2_137_27&products_id=169

Victory Performance Garrett O2 Housing - This housing allows you to drop in any T3 flanged Garrett turbo to your DSM. Pair this up with a Turbonetics exhaust manifold and you'll have a nearly unlimited choice of turbo.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/parts/product_info.php?cPath=2_137_28&products_id=650

Garrett T3/T4 Series Turbos - Available in many combinations of compressor housings, turbine housings and turbine wheels. Requires external wastegate and non-Mitsubishi exhaust manifold.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/parts/product_info.php?cPath=2_139_124&products_id=606

Apex'i GT/N1 Downpipe - Aluminized steel - N1 or stainless steel -GT downpipe with flex section.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/parts/product_info.php?cPath=2_137_26&products_id=39

Apex'i N1 Exhaust System - Aluminized steel exhaust system with polished stainless steel canister.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/parts/product_info.php?cPath=2_137_25&products_id=29

HKS External Wastegates - Available in 50mm and 60mm and a variety of PSI ratings. Used to vent excess boost pressure to the atmosphere. Prices will vary on different sizes.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/parts/product_info.php?cPath=2_139_131&products_id=711

HKS Racing BOV - High performance blow off valve. Vents to the atmosphere.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/parts/product_info.php?cPath=2_136_33&products_id=285

ADFX Intake Manifold - CNC Machined for Maximum Airflow to provide for huge HP gains when mated with FMIC and a turbo upgrade. N20 bungs can be installed for you bottle fed racers. Fits all 4G63 T motors.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/parts/product_info.php?cPath=2_133_152&products_id=856

HKS Adjustable Cam Gears - HKS Adjustable Cam Gears allow for fine tune adjustments to cam timing to maximize engine performance and tailor power characteristics for various driving conditions. Precise valve timing can be adjusted and set within the range of ± 20° in 2° intervals.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/parts/product_info.php?cPath=2_133_82&products_id=485

HKS Cams - HKS high performance billet camshafts are CAD designed to optimize torque & horsepower throughout the powerband. Each camshaft application is offered in multiple profiles, each with their own duration & lift characteristics for various levels of tuning. 264 and 272 exhaust and intake cam sizes. Price for 2.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/parts/product_info.php?cPath=2_133_82&products_id=536

HKS Valvesprings - HKS high performance valve spring sets are designed for use with HKS camshafts. As valve train dynamics change from the use of high performance cam profiles with greater lift, stiffer springs are often needed to optimize valve movement and geometry.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/parts/product_info.php?cPath=2_133_165&products_id=537

I would like to know what people think of what I got so far. So that I dont make such a big thread that no one wants to read it...

Id just like info on how people think these parts will work with each other or if parts wont work with each other. Any feedback is nice.

 

[boostdevil]

i would like to know why you want to take a turbo motor out and install a non turbo motor and turbocharge that motor :laugh:

 

[KlaSoliz]

I want to change out motors because the turbo charged motor isnt any good I dont think. I havent torn it apart yet and checked but from the way the outside of the motor looks... Orange sealant is melted around the valve cover and other parts, radiator fans didnt work for awhile but the car was still driven. That much had to do something to it. Uhh lets see, the last guy that owned it was trying to rebuild it but it was done cheap instead of right.

 

[sjgYFZ200]

You will regret replacing it with a non turbo motor every time you press the accelator. Just my opinion though

 

[Quasimondo]

I'd find a good turbo motor to work with. On paper a n/t longblock seems like it would make more power because of the higher compression ratio, but the internals are less tolerant of knock and you'll be back at square one with one misstep. See here. The only way to get around this is by replacing the pistons and rods.

As far as the BOV goes, unless you switch to a blow thru setup with a GM maf and translator or use a VPC, then you're going to have to recirculate that bov. Plenty of threads on this board why this is so. Just type in 'BOV venting'

IMO, this looks like a shopping list for a show car. I don't know what your hp goals are, but I'm pretty sure you can make those goals without putting a WMD to your bank account to finance these parts.

*The views and opinions of this post are not necessarily those of DSMTuners.com or its management*

 

[oldman]

I want to change out motors because the turbo charged motor isnt any good I dont think. I havent torn it apart yet and checked but from the way the outside of the motor looks... Orange sealant is melted around the valve cover and other parts, radiator fans didnt work for awhile but the car was still driven. That much had to do something to it. Uhh lets see, the last guy that owned it was trying to rebuild it but it was done cheap instead of right.

Don't judge a book by it's cover, do a compression test before you make any decisions. What make you think it's bad besides the looks, are you having any problem? Forget the NT idea, You would be better off finding another 4g63t or rebuilt your own engine.

 

[i1nk83]

hate to break it to yah but dsm's dont have frames. its a unibody. and your gonna have some funn trying to get the fwd laser awd. if you want to do all this work why dont you just leave the motor in the laser? then install a awd tranny and accesories. and yes the n/t motor will not last "as is" with a turbo slapped on it. i think if i was you i wouldnt plan on doing anything for a while. research what you are talking about then build you wish list. because it sounds to me like you have no idea at all what you are trying to do with this car

 

[FunkMasterChipZ]

u could give me the whole car with the engine in it and the tranny in it then i could rebuild it and keep it and u can have my two n/t talons! have a nice day

 

[onegee]

Before you tear ANYTHING down or pull ANYTHING out, take the advice of the members here and do a compression test. From what it seems, you're not ready to do a engine swap, much less turbo a N/T motor and have it run right/reliably.

Read this:

www.vfaq.com

along with the 1000 answered questions page linked on that site.

If you'd like to purchase some parts, read some reviews: www.dsmreviews.com

One vital thing I dont see on your shopping list is anything to monitor your engines health nor tuning tools.

Most of the parts you listed aren't needed unless you have some hefty goals in mind. And if you really knew what those parts could do and how to achieve your goals you wouldn't be posting this. To better help you, what are your goals? Horsepower? 1/4 mile ET? Use it to road race? Daily driver or trailer queen?

That will help people guide you in a specific direction. Last thing you want is to drop 4-5k bux and it still run 15s.

 

[RoasT BeeF]

 

[KlaSoliz]

Hey, you guys are right. I dont know what im doing, but thats why im doing it, to get to know the DSM. I made up this list of parts that I liked, not for show or for race. I dont ever plan on trying to get a quarter mile time. Unless I just try it on a Gtech and not at the track. If anything I want to Autocross. I didnt put any engine internals on my list yet because I do not know sizes or conditions. From the bolts I have taken off so far they have really bad heat coloring.
I checked out the Laser and the Talon and just seen that it would of been alot of trouble, it was hard enough takin out this Talon engine (compared to Honda Accord(Previous Car)) All in all I may edit my list, and when I know measurments and conditions on engine internals then I will add them to my list. I just wanted some input on parts that I have put together. Also, I just figure I will try and find a good Talon on here to buy close by. Thanks for any input that was helpful and not bull.

 

['96_Talon_TSi]

I would recommend doing a compression test on the turbo engine. If it still good then just clean it up and start modding step by step.

If you do a compression test, and if it has low compression i'd recommend a rebuild.

If you never plan on racing, why choose all of those expensive big name parts, and why such a large turbo if you want to autocross?

Coming from someone who is also fairly new to modding DSMs This would be the best route to take.
Personally, I would do the compression test, rebuild (if needed) add the basics: intake, intercooler pipes, exhaust, boost control, and at least a fuel pump rewire. After you have those and feel comfortable then move into large turbos, fuel tuning, and all that stuff.

You said you might want to do some autocross, yet you have no suspension parts or brakes on your list. Those parts are ESSENTIAL for autocross.

From a fellow new guy, start small before trying to tackle the giant.

good luck with whatever you finally decide on doing.

 

[endlessMyk]

Hey, you guys are right. I dont know what im doing, but thats why im doing it, to get to know the DSM. I made up this list of parts that I liked, not for show or for race.

I don't know what I'm doing, that's why I'm doing it? You really can't have that attitude with a DSM. I hope you at least have someone there who DOES know what they're doing... otherwise we're going to be seeing a lot of posts about you not knowing why something works and you'll be told to use the SEARCH a LOT!
How can you pick a part that you like without knowing anything about it? By price? Do you just want to have the expensive parts on your dsm???

it was hard enough takin out this Talon engine (compared to Honda Accord(Previous Car) .

Well that explains it... j/k

You d

 

[KlaSoliz]

Lol, endlessMyk, I thought that Honda was bad then when my neck snapped from the launch in the Talon... (Dot,Dot,Dot) Hehe. But anyways, I will do the compression test suggested by the other newbie DSMer. I'll check out what the right compression is for my engine. Also, what I meant by "Yea, I dont know what im doing, but thats why im doing it." ...Learning... I already beat all the cars in this little town while the car was still stock and had alot of problems. SO im learning on what I am doing so I beat them Preludes, Integras and 5.0s by 2 more car lengths. I read alittle bit in the stage 1 and stage 2 faqs and im gonna read alot more and learn more about my engine as im cleaning it up for modding. Thanks for the help guys. Also, about someone saying about my suspension and such. Drifting is my main sport, the body damage on my cars can show that. I already picked out those parts I want. Thanks again.

 

[AMS Eric #2]

Hey, im doing a big engine swap and body swap. First off, I am removing my Talon Engine. I will be putting a non turbo Laser Engine in and putting on my turbo system. As the engine is out, I will be taking the Talon body off(bad body damage) and putting the Laser body on. Answering one or two or all questions will help out.

Questions about Body Swap:
Will the Front Wheel Drive Automatic Laser body fit on my All Wheel Drive Manual Talon Frame?

The unibodies of a 1g fwd and 1g awd are QUITE different. I would go as far to say that its not plausable to even attempt an awd conversion to a 1g fwd car. 2g's are a differnet story, the unibodies of both cars are very similar and the awd conversion can be done with much less work.