I want to upgrade my turbo, which one has crazy power but can still be daily driven?

[Turbo]

Well not sure how to say this without breaking forum rules .
Last time I checked the price for a TDO5H 20G & added the 10% discount in for the people that are members here it came very close to $700.00 dollars. Thats for a BRAND NEW 20G with the larger CH.
That takes little or no work at all to install.

 

[XTurboSpYderX]

Originally posted by Ludachris

I found one for $720 from our new partner - is that close enough?
http://www.eccentric-motorsports.com/pages/731418/index.htm

Of course, this one is isn't your typical 20G, so maybe it doesn't count:
"20G 8cm stuffed into TD05H housing, looks like a 16g, flows like a 20g, ported, direct fit for 1G"

** I am not sure who you are trying to help with that link, when just a few lines below the $720 "super 16G", or... 20G... or... whatever the hell kinda bad a$$ fan it is, there are THREE T3/T4 turbos for UNDER $700, and TWO for under $650. Just a little fuel for the fire... THE DEBATE RAGES ON!!!!!! ("I have the bigger peni$... NO... my FRIEND with THIS part has the bigger peni$...") YOU ALL HAVE NICE PENI$ES... now... if we could get back to picking a peni$... er.. turbo for Jeramie... I am sure he is REALLY wanting to know what turbo would be best for HIS set up... not someone elses... lets ask him questions... how far do you drive iit each day? freeway or city? how much do you want to spend? what supporting mods do you have? etc.

 

[BatmanGSX]

Originally posted by XTurboSpYderX



** I am not sure who you are trying to help with that link... when just a few lines below the $720 "super 16G... er 20G... er whatever the hell kinda bad a$$ fan it is... there are THREE T3/T4 turbos for UNDER $700... and TWO for under $650... just a little fuel for the fire... THE DEBATE RAGES ON!!!!!! ("I have the bigger peni$... NO... my FRIEND with THIS part has the bigger peni$...") YOU ALL HAVE NICE PENI$ES... now... if we could get back to picking a peni$... er.. turbo for Jeramie... I am sure he is REALLY wanting to know what turbo would be best for HIS set up... not someone elses... lets ask him questions... how far do you drive iit each day? freeway or city? how much do you want to spend? what supporting mods do you have? etc.

English, motherfu@ker; do you speak it?

 

[XTurboSpYderX]

exactally what language do you think I posted in?

 

[greathuskie]

a language where people use the word exactally?

 

[XTurboSpYderX]

Originally posted by greathuskie
a language where people use the word exactally?

?? huh?? when did they remove exactaly from the dictionary? list time I asked webster it was used as follows:

ex·act·ly Pronunciation Key (ig-zakt'le)
adv.
1) In an exact manner; accurately.
2) In all respects; just: Do exactly as you please.
3) As you say. Used to indicate agreement.

OOOhh... I get it... ane extra l... I was unaware that our posts were now being graded on spelling and puncuation... come on guys... I was just trying to bring some humor to that d!ck swingen (sorry... swinging) contest...

 

[jdmawd]

was this the qustion asked here------------>What turbo? T3/T4 or a 20G ? Which is the cheapest setup, and can still be daily driven?

the obvious answer is a 20G you can buy complete 20G turbos from private owner's all day long on the trader for under 1k with an external gate. the Garrett alternative will cost much more. hybrid or full Garrett.

 

[Brodie]

20g is definatley the way to go...for bolt on direct power. My friends mr2 was damn fast with it and now hes rebuilt the engine so more and hes getting close to 500 whp

 

[LaserRST]

I wonder can you git that much CFM through a tdo5h housing like the one shown for 720$ to push 500hp? I believe if it is at all possible the amount of heat would increase, meaning a much larger than normal IC. Though then again... If you want reliability and longevity Garrett is, by construction far better. If you compare bearing and shaft sizes, Garrett is MUCH MUCH bigger and stronger, and has been proven to be more reliable. Mitsus have been known to blow their bearings under harsh conditions. Though being able to bolt on a turbo that can support 500hp + with the 20g, 25g and so forth is nice. I paid for a brand new Garret Hybrid with a 54mm V2 trim and, git this, an "O" trim bored into a T3 turbine housing for 350.00, my luck. I have yet to install it but working on it, the manifolds are expensive, but worth it. All cast manifolds will crack when exposed to the constant cooling and heating up, tubular manifolds will not support much weight, unless modified to do so, and crack usually supporting the turbo. To the point.... if you cant decide than just go with a MUTT. Buy a turbo that has a 8cm Mitsu turbine housing with a T04b or T04E compressor housing and you have the best of both worlds. The strength of Garrett with the bolt on convienience of a Mitsu. But better stated is make a hp goal and build around that, do your research of flow maps, a/r ratios, spooling time, and how much do you want to invest in supporting mods. I feel it is possible to make a 10sec daily driver, another joy of turbo, you just need to have a components that work well with one another... heck a ball bearing ported T-28 will git you pretty close with the "RIGHT SUPPORTING MODS". No single turbo will magically make the numbers... look for someone that has done it and copy him... hope this helps...

 

[BatmanGSX]

Originally posted by XTurboSpYderX
exactally what language do you think I posted in?

The words are English but what you said makes no fu@king sense. Try thinking whole sentences out before you type them instead of one word at a time. And also cut down on the "....." after every thought. We are reading, not listening, you need to make sense.

 

[XTurboSpYderX]

My most sincere appologies. I uasully type as I think, and I fill in the pauses with "...". My intent was not to offend, but rather entertain. If through this entertainment I could bring the thread back to the origionally asked question, that would be wonderful as well. Please bear me no ill will as a result of my uneducated appearing drivel.

 

[jdmawd]

this thread really sucks

 

[ILOVEPSI]

If you get a 20, and set it up with a ported exhaust manifold, o2 housing, and port the turbo also, you will have better response than the t-25 and the 14b. We did this on our project car, and with some other mods it makes about 430

 

[CraigB]

I'm the friend that Kyle (Mavisky) is talking about. I would take a Garret 60 trim over the 20G anyday. I have 700 into the complete switch from a 16G to a T3/T4 that is everything including a external wastegate. I have worked on many DSM's including a 10 second 20G car and driven alot of them. I like how the garret just keeps pulling and it is so smooth. I think a T3/T4 is a good street turbo IMO.

 

[BlitzTalon]

ok guys im not a expert or anything by any means. And im not trying to sound like on either.

Now, if i were you and wanted something is streetable, realiable and capable of making power, then i would go with a 20g any day. Like most people have already compared the price between the 20g and a t3/t4, the 20g is more cost effective. And all that money you would have spent on getting your t3/t4 you can save by just getting the 20g and investing the rest on some HKS or web cams. A t3/t4 being bigger and needing more maintanance i would say would be a big head ache when all you have to do is just bolt up the 20g. As far as being streetable, again the 20g would come out on top due to its spool up time and again its reliabilty. I forgot who asked this guestion to start with, but for my .02 i would say go with the 20g and the money left over from not getting the t3/t4 get your self some nice ass cams and youll beat any t3/t4 setup. Bigger is not always better! Its about having the right parts and tuned that #@%#@%#@%#@% right. You can have a big ass t3/t4 with a nice mani and external gate but if you dont have it tuned right, your #@%#@%#@%#@% will get beat by civics (little over exagurartion, but you get my point). And for a basic daily driver, there are way too many diffrent combos of t3/t4's to make the right choice. Dude, just get a 20g used or new, that #@%#@%#@%#@% is proven to work and easy as hell to deal with. As soon as i get money together im getting, 625 injectors, 20g, and Greddy IC and probely still have money left over by NOT going with a t3/t4.
I know that is long but at least i kept it to the point.

Thanks
PJ
99 GST

 

[rdrkt]

BlitzTalon: I can’t believe you brought this thread back from the dead just to talk nonsense. What reliability issues do Garrett turbos have? Why do Garret turbos need more patience then a mitsu turbo? When you are talking about spool up times what 20g are you comparing with what t3/t4. A 50 trim with a small ar exhaust housing will have nearly equal spool up as a 20g while having a lot more top end. A good vendor would be able to pick a wheel combo that was perfect for your needs. As for price do the math a t3/t4 isn’t anywhere near as expensive as you are making it out to be. When you actually know what you are talking about please feel free to add to the discussion. But no one here needs to hear your BS claims and weak ass tech

 

[spooldswede]

Actually i have to support what the guy who brought some "semi-old" topic up said (I still think it's a good topic).

In my mind, the t3/t4 is now no longer on my list. Here's why:

The most reputable dsm tuner in chicago (these guys rock!.. and I'll still go there to tune my car a lot) just showed me what their "street trim 1" dyno is like (their most streetable t3/t4)... and this is w/ the following mods: - (stock bottom end) with HKS 264/272 cams, a front mount, 2G mass air, 660cc injectors, and AFC:

http://www.automotosports.com/Tims Red 1G.JPG

Now that's a spool up that i do not want deal with everyday!!

People have to remember where they drive their car the most, and how they drive it, in order to make the correct choice. And, lastly, how much they want to mess with it in order to get it to run right. That's what I think his point was.

T3/T4 is a mighty turbo, and give awesome power, but what do you give up?

You have to weigh what you gain and lose w/ every turbo choice out there.. and know what you're getting yourself into.

 

[Turbo]

Thumbs up for Automotosports !!!!

 

[rdrkt]

A properly setup 50 trim will spool a few hundred rpms slower than a 20g and that's a fact. You have to trade power for quick spool its all about where you draw your line.

 

[CraigB]

Blitztalon: Bring your car with the 20G on it to the shoot out. And I will show you what a slow spooling T3/T4 that I can't tune to beat a civic is all about.

CraigB

 

[spooldswede]

Originally posted by rdrkt
A properly setup 50 trim will spool a few hundred rpms slower than a 20g and that's a fact. You have to trade power for quick spool its all about where you draw your line.

very well put!

hrm... we'll see... i'll see if i can test drive one of AMS's cars sometime before springtime, and i'll make my decision then..

tim's dyno above IS aweful tasty!.... and i know some of their other cars are way crazier than this (w/ a couple 2nd gens w/ t3/t4 super60's that are way over 460whp)

and these guys really know their stuff... and they're really cool fellas too! (hang out w/ these guys quite often at local meets etc) and they seem to really dislike the 20g... (pushing me hard towards the above mentioned t3/t4) ...and they've ran a 10 sec 1/4 mile now in a galant (Adam).. (see http://www.automotosports.com for a video clip of it)... so that sort of shows they have their heads into this in the right way!

i did ride in one of their pieces .. but it was in a gs-t, so the power couldn't quite be felt, but it was still pretty nuts!.. and it "only" dyno'd at 348whp (at 17psi and not tuned quite right yet)... when the turbo hit, it was like a lightening bolt hit behind the car!!!.. what an experience!!

argh... decisions decisions!..

they keep telling me that eventually i'll just come back to them and ask them to get it done anyhow...

 

[greentrbo_95gst]

T3/T4 has a big advantage over shitty ported 95 manifold. Battman, i dont know what kind of turbonetics mani you've been usin...obviously none......
As far as turbos you should consider 50, 57 trim from t3/t4 or cheaper "green" With the right tuning and right setup the green will spool up by 3600-3700 and you will have a lot of boost till the redline...If you are really serious..go with Garret. I am gettin rid of my green and gettin ball bearing 62-1
good luck on your car

 

[GoFastTSI]

Tur-blow-netics. Enough said.

 

[red91tsiawd]

okay, someone spoke about injectors up there and i was wondering if my new 550's will work with the 20g or do i HAFTA upgrade?

 

[spooldswede]

Originally posted by red91tsiawd
okay, someone spoke about injectors up there and i was wondering if my new 550's will work with the 20g or do i HAFTA upgrade?

i do believe 550's is enough.. go to the forums on www.buschurracing.com and search for what you need to support a 20g... and i believe there was a question like that not too long ago, and one of the buschur people answered that he was running it himself just fine...