I AM lost I need some help ### ### ### read this and help me out

[lostindsmworld]

Ok Well my name Cherria and yes i am a female and a hot on at that no i just love cars and this is the first Dsm I have owned i have a 94 civic with a grs in it and i no everything about a honda but i am lost in this DSM. I bought a Eclipse and the connecting rod in the first cylinder in shot. it is 420a motor non-turbo and the timing belt is on the passager side well a 420a motor is not anywhere to ne found were i live. so i found a 4g64 motor for 400 bucks andi figured i would do a swap but the motor mounts and defferent bc the timing belt on the 4g64 motor it is on the driver side and i no knowone here who knows anything about dsm. So i am lost and i have a guy telling me that you can put my 420a head on my 4g64 block but how is that bc the timing belt is different!!!!! So i figured if the pistons and rods were the same size i would just rebuild my motor420a with the 4g64 motor i bought so does anyone know what i can do ### i am so lost!!!!!!! I just want to get my car running

 

[3kgt2nv]

First suggestion is use normal size text font and color as that is retarded to read.

 

[KRRZ350]

Try car-part.com?

And please, try to type like you would talk..........

Wait, no, nevermind. Try to type & talk in an educated & articulate manner. Thanks

 

[hurricanecris24]

Find a used 420a motor and replace it or get your motor fully rebuilt. And for the 4g64 it will not fit

 

[Misterbeechy]

well welcome to DSMTuners.. you cannot mix 420a and 4g64 parts around

the 420a is a 2.0L motor while the 4g64 is 2.4L being the rods are too long..
you buying that motor was a mistake .. sorry but then again you should have asked first..

i good thing you can do is search in the forums for allll answers.. or even google search your answer you will find alot

 

[1997_GSX]

You can't put a 4g64 into your car without a ton of money and a nose swap.

4G64 head will not fit on a 420a.

 

[MrBoxx]

This isn't the Hangout. Post a helpful reply to the OP's question, or don't post at all.

 

[JusMX141]

Oh dear lord....this looks like a text message from a 7th grader. Let me see if I can help:

Hello, DSMTuners- my name Cherria....yes, I am a female (and a hot one at that ). I absolutely love cars and this is the first DSM I have owned. I also have a '94 Civic and I'm familiar with the Honda platform, but I am lost in this DSM.

I bought the Eclipse with a connecting rod bearing failure in the first cylinder. The car has the 420A non-turbo (timing belt on the passenger's side) and I'm having a difficult time finding a replacement engine where I live. I did happen to find a 4G64 engine for $400 and I had planned to do a swap but the motor mounts are different and the engine is not a direct-swap.

I'm stranded with this project because nobody around me knows anything about a DSM. I have guys telling me that I can put my 420A head on a 4G64 block but I know that's not possible because the timing belt is on the incorrect side, not to mention the engines are manufactured by two completely different companies.

My question is if the pistons and rods were the same size between the two engines I would just rebuild my 420A with the parts from the 4G64. Can anyone verify this?

Whew....feels like I just completed a homework assignment.

 

[JusMX141]

Cherria, have you given any thought to rebuilding your existing 420A instead of attempting to find a replacement? For what you'd have in a replacement engine you may be able to have yours up and running. Any local machine shop can cut the crank, or you can purchase a new or remanufactured crankshaft and bearings.

As long as the block is OK (no cracks or holes) and the cylinder bores are not scored there's no reason you can't rebuild your existing engine. I'd be sure to have a machine shop thoroughly clean the oil passages to prevent any leftover foreign material from ruining your freshly-rebuilt engine!

 

[SpawnedX]

1995 2.0L Mitsubishi Eclipse Engine Rebuild Kit 420A - eBay (item 250521519220 end time Feb-20-11 11:38:45 PST)

 

[lostindsmworld]

Well to all the asshole who had to talk shit i built my honda from the ground up by myself i dont need to take my car to a shop. i have worked on cars everyday. my dad has had a shop for 36 years and i have worked for him since i can remember and i am a chick i am not like you. i like it do thing different!!!!! i have looked at rebuild kits and that was going to be a last step kinda thing i really just wanted to get a new motor for it but last night i pulled the head off and got the block out and the connecting rod it ####ed so it looks like i am rebiulding it now that it is a part and i just went and got all the gaskets i needs so i am just wiating for parts!!!!! And thank for all you that were helpful i sure do thank you alot and my honda is a B18 with a ls vtec head gsr tranny and and gsr cams!!!!! it is a beaut!!!!! i hope some of you that were helpful will stay here with me thourgh this whole rebuilding it thing!!

thanks but if you read it a again it says i have a civic with a grs in it!!!!!!!!!

 

[atruepretense]

Well to all the asshole who had to talk shit i built my honda from the ground up by myself i dont need to take my car to a shop. i have worked on cars everyday. my dad has had a shop for 36 years and i have worked for him since i can remember and i am a chick i am not like you. i like it do thing different!!!!! i have looked at rebuild kits and that was going to be a last step kinda thing i really just wanted to get a new motor for it but last night i pulled the head off and got the block out and the connecting rod it ####ed so it looks like i am rebiulding it now that it is a part and i just went and got all the gaskets i needs so i am just wiating for parts!!!!! And thank for all you that were helpful i sure do thank you alot and my honda is a B18 with a ls vtec head gsr tranny and and gsr cams!!!!! it is a beaut!!!!! i hope some of you that were helpful will stay here with me thourgh this whole rebuilding it thing!!

thanks but if you read it a again it says i have a civic with a grs in it!!!!!!!!!

Woah. Calm down there. To begin, please, please type in a correct manner, since I just got dizzy from reading this. Also, no one here is trying to chastise you on your skills or anything, or your car. haha.

But, you must admit that it would be stupid to buy an engine that didn't even come with your car if you've never worked such a car before.

The rebuild on your engine will be pretty much like any other car when you mess up a rod. Check the crank for roundness and all that good stuff, and also have your cylinders checked. Have the whole block checked pretty much. Then, just rebuild it if all is good. If the rod messed up your crank, you can have it re-ground, but you'll need to run oversize bearings. Everything else is pretty much all the same type of procedure. In my opinion, 420a engines are cheap enough for you to just get another one. I can easily go to my local junkyard and have 10 of those engines around me. Good luck!

 

[black_gst]

damn! this thread sure has alot of animosity in it. everyone must have a case of the mondays

welcome to Tuners, sorry that your having so much trouble, good luck with the rebuild. you will find that DSM's arent like honda, you cant mix and match heads and blocks.

try not to take offense, you will find knowledgeable and helpful people on this site, but no one likes to read a post 5 times to try and figure out what your asking, clear questions get clear answers!

 

[95talongirl]

Holy crap. Text messaging has ruined the english language!!!!!!!! PLEASE at minimum use some punctuation to break up the run on sentences!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's just incredibly hard to read.

But welcome aboard. As for your questions, a 4g64 engine is not even remotely close to a 420A. The 420A is a Chrysler engine and has more in common with the Dodge Neon than a DSM. At this point I'd probably resell the 4g64 and use the money to fund a rebuild on the 420A engine or find another one.

Cars that came with the 420A:
95-98 Non-turbo eclipse/talon
95-00 Dodge Avenger/Chrysler Sebring (COUPE)

You can also use some of the parts from a 95-99 Dodge Neon. However, the Neon's head is 180º out; meaning that the exhaust is on the firewall side of the car vs. the radiator side. Therefore there is conflicting information as if to that head is, indeed, compatible. I have seen people successfully interchange the Neon and DSM 420A head, but I do not *think* it was a direct swap.

 

[lostindsmworld]

Woah. Calm down there. To begin, please, please type in a correct manner, since I just got dizzy from reading this. Also, no one here is trying to chastise you on your skills or anything, or your car. haha.

But, you must admit that it would be stupid to buy an engine that didn't even come with your car if you've never worked such a car before.

The rebuild on your engine will be pretty much like any other car when you mess up a rod. Check the crank for roundness and all that good stuff, and also have your cylinders checked. Have the whole block checked pretty much. Then, just rebuild it if all is good. If the rod messed up your crank, you can have it re-ground, but you'll need to run oversize bearings. Everything else is pretty much all the same type of procedure. In my opinion, 420a engines are cheap enough for you to just get another one. I can easily go to my local junkyard and have 10 of those engines around me. Good luck!

well there is about 15 salvage yards here is springfield and only one of them H&W have my motor and they whay 1200 for it!!!!! not alot of poeple around here have imports they all driving truck fords and chevys thats it

 

[thatblondechik]

Jeeze. Calm down.

Rest assured, you're not the only female who's into cars and there was no need for you to get all pissy about it.

He was suggesting you take the crank and block to a shop to have it cleaned up and machined...unless you want to do it with your teeth or something.

If you're savvy enough and you have another vehicle to drive for a while, rebuilding it yourself would be an awesome experience...you learn a lot and it's pretty fun.

 

[lostindsmworld]

hahahaha i know it is fun we just rebuildt the honda!!!! But i am going crazy with this car there is no shops around here that sale stuff for my car . I guess it looks like i am rebuilding it . you know it is crazy seeing other females that work on cars i just got out of school for it and everyone around here think i am crazy no but everything inside the motor looks good!!!!! it sounds like it jumped time and i turned it of and towed it so i didnt do ready any thing to.

 

[thatblondechik]

It's good to meet you too...but that's as far as I got in the post. I went cross-eyed trying to decipher that jumble of words.

Check out some other threads, we're a lot cleaner with our posts than you're probably used to. That's assuming you made your way over here from another forum. We just like to keep things easily accessible to those who need the information.

 

[LandoAWD]

BTW, before I get a PM I can't read, the two warnings are grammar related.

Please and thanks.

 

[olddsmer]

Welcome aboard the DSM ship. If you click forums and scroll down a little more, you will see some 420A forums. Get into them and you should find a wealth of knowledge there.
Good luck with your project.

Regards
Greg

 

[ilikerice]

crazy back and forth going on in this thread...

anywho! I'd like to say welcome! i am also a newbie to the DSM. I am also in the same boat as you are. i come from a line of CRX rebuilds in my past 10 years and also ran a Frankenstein motor, but b20/b16 setup instead. boosted for a while then went back to N/A when i started autocross.

im trying not to post newbie questions here, just absorbing as much as possible. my i suggest checking out the FAQ for the newbie's. i read thru all of them and they provide SO MUCH information.. i would take your time and read as much of the FAQ sections in here.. u will find so many parts that are swappable from other models and from the EVO's.

Good luck with your rebuild. i have alot on my plate also. i got a GSX that has had the motor pulled. but i got 2 motors in the deal along with parts for an entire other motor... i got both the haynes and chilton manuals and been reading them cover to cover.. its similar, but different then the b-series. but really not that bad

 

[95talongirl]

I seen you had a G1 you know years and years ago before i got married i had a bf how had a talon a G1. That is when i fall in love with talons and eclipse. There isnt to any around here i love in a little one horse town and all you see is trucks. we just had a really bad snow strom and i told the honda out and i was the only car on the road. Everyone looked and me like i was crazy.

G1 as in first generation Neon? Yes, I've had a fair share of those cars; a few 95's, a 99 r/t and a 98 ACR. In fact I am currently borrowing a 1995 Neon while the Talon is under the knife. I'd still have the 99 r/t if it was not involved in an accident. That's how I ended up in the DSM world, actually. Since then, I've had three 1995 Tsi's and one 1999 Spyder with the 4g64. Oie. No wonder I'm broke.

They are becoming more scarce as time rolls on, but a little patience, resourcefulness and ingenuity will go a long way.