Help Me Piece My Turbo Kit!! Pls. Thx!

[SVP97GST]

Ok...here's the deal. I want to keep my car daily driveable so don't start giving me 800hp setups. haha. i honestly don't know which turbo kit to buy. i want to get the XS 16g killer ### of it's convenience, but i don't know if that's enough power. i want something in the upper 300's to 400HP range. i want to keep stock internals ### i'm not trying to spend that much money, so here's a list of my mods:

walbro 255 pump
blox FPR
rc 720 inject.
act 2600 clutch/flywheel
avcr
vafc-i forgot 97's don't have mivec
hks bov
apex catback

i don't even know what intercooler to get yet ### i know different turbos have different intlet/outlet sides and whatnot. basically i just want the bumper covered. so my question to you guys is:

if i decided to just buy a turbo and not a kit...what else will i need? ie: piping, lines, couplers, clamps, housings etc..... thanks a million.

p.s. I'M NEW TO DSM'S SO GO EASY ON ME.

p.s.s. i don't want to spend a million dollars, but i do want to spend what's right.

 

[mygsx2120]

Buy an SSAC fmic kit. They are $310 shipped. It is short route, fits great, and is big enough for anything you will probably use. Just so you know the kit is missing a clamp and two couplers, but that's nothing major. Best bang for you buck, I own one and so do hundreds of other members I would bet. Time tested.

I would stay with a mitsu flanged turbo. There are plenty, and that way all you will have to change are oil and water lines. Just buy these when you buy your turbo. I would consider and FP red or green, or maybe even the G50 from SBR. If you go into more detail about your goals, people will give you more specific answers.

 

[daren_p]

I love my FP3052 setup & it will meet your goals but its defently on the cheep end of things. For those goals you will probably want a Mitsu bolt on, probably a 50 trim in a std or BB version would work well for you. Or step up abit to a GT3076, which is a newer Garrett wheel design vs the 50 trim, is a BB center section, comes from a few different companies with a bolt on Mitsu style housing. I would also add cams to your list to help you achieve your goals.

 

[coryd]

u need to be more specific with what you want out ot your set up and a better idea on price. you can spend anywhere from 550 on a 16g to 1200 on a gt series turbo

 

[Boo5t_Addict]

First thing's first, sell that vafc All of those suggested turbos are good choices. You're FWD, so if you're looking for horses at the wheels, it'll be slightly easier to achieve than if you were awd (less drivetrain loss). You could quite easily accomplish this with a 20g. I've heard very good things about the buschur 20g. being an MHI bolt on turbo, a 20g will last forever, take all the beating you'll throw at it, and still make a good 400hp on pump. As previously stated, you want to look for a front mount. You seem to have sufficient fuel, so after the turbo choice and a front mount it's all in the tune. And whatever you do, don't vent that bov. If you've read any of the numerous threads concerning this, you'll see that it's not worth the sound. Unless you have a MAF-T in blowthrough, or are running speed density.

 

[dsun87]

get a t3/t4 outlet i would say...2in is typicalt
IC look on ebay or the forums, safc, oil feed/return random piping, couplers
gauges (boost,A/F, EGT)
if you do everything yourself its alot cheaper and funner

 

[SVP97GST]

well..i have a greddy front mount...the small one. will that piping work with any intercooler core i buy? (with the same inlet/outlet sides)

 

[talonz27]

+1 for the sbr g50 turbo its a sweet deal!! you will need to get an oil feed and return line kit also with this
http://www.slowboyracing.com/estore/product.php?productid=9&cat=14&page=1

here is an intercooler kit that will work on the cheap!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OBX-...135804221QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item260135804221

(Big "Race" FMIC Kit) Dejon intercooler kit a bit more money but alot more quality!!!!
http://dsm.dejonpowerhouse.com/

 

[Killa_dsm]

I would probably go with some kind of a 50trim if I were in your shoes. No need to go with t3/t4 if you dont want to spend too much money for a whole different setup. You can reach your goals with the Mitsubishi flanged turbo

Some kind of 50trim
eprom ecu chipped
SSAC FMIC
750 or 780cc
Either 190 or 255 with afpr
Full 3" Exhaust, brand of your choice
MBC (to save money)
1g BOV (to save money)
Datalogger
Maybe water/Alcohol injection

 

[talonz27]

I would probably go with some kind of a 50trim if I were in your shoes. No need to go with t3/t4 if you dont want to spend too much money for a whole different setup. You can reach your goals with the Mitsubishi flanged turbo

Some kind of 50trim
eprom ecu chipped
SSAC FMIC
750 or 780cc
Either 190 or 255 with afpr
Full 3" Exhaust, brand of your choice
MBC (to save money)
1g BOV (to save money)
Datalogger
Maybe water/Alcohol injection

On his first post he already has half the stuff you have listed for him to get!!
and the sbr g50 i told him to get is a mitsu bolt on.

 

[Killa_dsm]

On his first post he already has half the stuff you have listed for him to get!!
and the sbr g50 i told him to get is a mitsu bolt on.

Good point I guess I didnt read his first post well enough. I did not disagree about the g50 that you said in your post. I'm just saying he should look around before setting his mind on that turbo, just because you told him to get that one doesn't mean its the best. There are other 50 trims out there that he can consider.

 

[SVP97GST]

trust me..i'm considering everything. i'm willing to spend no more than $1500 on the whole turbo kit...not including the FMIC. that SBR turbo, oil feed/return seems like a sweet deal.

 

[SVP97GST]

i've been searching the web for this ssac fmic and i cannot find it new anywhere. i really don't want to buy a used FMIC. i'd rather put all the dings in the fins myself.

 

[Boo5t_Addict]

If it were me, I would look at somethign along the lines of a ball bearing PTE 5031E, or an FP Green. Look at more product reviews as well as price. I've seen a ton better reviews for both of those turbos than I have good reviews for the G50. Just because it's less expensive doesn't always mean it's a better choice. FP has excellent customer service, and people are still buying the Green even though it's been around for 7 years or so. Modified Magazine installed an FP Green on their project 2G AWD talon, and you can be sure they did plenty of research first. The PTE is also a very good choice, as the ball bearing version can be had for around $1100-$1200 (I think, someone correct me if I'm wrong). Like I said though, read the reviews, and shop around a lot before choosing a turbo. Warranty and a vendor's reputation on the forums are also things you'd want to look at. No sense in choosing somehting that's not right for you, or even buying a turbo that is of lesser quality. You pretty much can't go wrong with any 50-trim though. Just stay away from the ebay ones, they're about as knockoff as it gets. Like buying a Rolex from some guy on the street.

 

[SVP97GST]

should i do internal or external wastegate? i honestly don't know the difference. and i think i've narrowed it down to 5 turbos to choose from:

PTE 50 DBB
PTE 60-1 DBB
GT3076
FP Green
SBR G50

it seems like there's something good and bad to say about all of these. if anyone has these turbos i'd like to hear it straight from the horses mouth. and when it comes down to buying one i'll definitely need your guys' help choosing the options on the turbo. ie. wastegate (internal/external), exhaust housing, a/r ratio. so on and so forth. because honestly...i have no idea what that means. it might as well be in german.

 

[beezwax]

call me old skool if you will but there is NOTHING wrong with an EVO3 16g. you can get decent power from it... it's an MHI turbo, spools quickly and it's a stock boltup. oh yeah, you can get them very cheap.


http://store.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FP&Product_Code=49178-01470&Category_Code=DSM-Turbo


This is the turbo that I have now.. I lke it...

 

[Boo5t_Addict]

Just save yourself the headaches, and go external wastegate. On a larger turbo, it's a lot easier to control boost that with with an internal wastegate.

The GT 3076 will make the most power, and a 60-1 will really wake up with race gas, but you won't be able to boost close to it's full potential with pump. From what I've read, the green seems to be a very reliable turbo that will meet your goals easily, and the PTE DBB 50-trim is very popular lately, and pretty efficient in the 20-25 psi range on pump. I've read of some members with the G50 complain about spool times when compared to other 50-trims.

If all you want is high 300 whp to low 400 whp on pump gas, you may as well just go with either the FP Green, or the PTE 50 trim. Those are the two that I would narrow it down to, if you're not looking for any more. They'll do it easily, efficiently, and reliably, without you needing to max them out. And as far as the 16g goes, it would be maxed out by the time you hit 375 whp on pump with no meth (although it is an awesome turbo). Do some research, look at compressor maps, and talk to some vendors. But take your time while deciding, as it'll be a $1k or so piece of hardware that you will be stuck with. You could also start asking some of the more knowledgable members here what they run, what they experienced, and what they would recommend.

As Daren_P stated above, cams are also a good idea. When you have adjustable cam gears you can advance or retard the intake or exhaust, or both, or give more or less overlap to affect your powerband or spool time.

 

[eclipsegst1990]

I'm kinda partial to the E316g since it's cheap, spools great, nearly bullet proof, and that is has proven to put down some pretty good numbers. However, if I had a wish list, I'd love the FP3065, but the price is a little high for the V-band conversion. Let me tell ya' this turbo will definitely leave your shadow behind you.

However, I have to agree that the SB-G50 is also a good choice and it's in your price range, just make sure you get the right parts to install the unit and double check everything that is shipped to you prior to installation. I ran this unit for a short time and it flowed nice and pulled good. The FP green is also a quality product with proven numbers and has been considered a "pump gas king." However, it's a little (just a little) older as far as technology is concerned since BB turbos are hitting the streets. Also, don't forget to check the GT30r and get a good intercooler!

Again, as stated, check with other vendors like Forced Performance, SlowBoy, AGP, and let them help you decide. It's probably going to take you a few weeks to research and choose what you feel is right for your setup. When I was looking, I almost got sick of looking at compressor maps, but you will learn a lot when it comes to spending the hard earned cash.

Good luck to you.

 

[talonz27]

well if you have got the money i would go with the fp green with external gate.

 

[wt71gas]

Based on some of the ball bearing turbos you have said you are looking at Bullseye Power's, extended tip turbos would be a good option too. They are right around the same price as the ball bearings but they will flow more air about 15psi and they will spool faster also. They are normally setup for external wastegate run off the o2 housing but can be configured however you would like. They can make in internal also but most people do run the extended tips with external wastegates.

 

[SVP97GST]

ok... its the PTE 50 trim DBB. i've made up my mind. now i'm about to purchase this on JNZ Tuning.com but i don't know what turbo housing options means. cut or uncut? but i do know i'm going to do the external wastegate, but i don't know whether or not to put it on the o2 or manifold. help!!! ahaha.

 

[talonz27]

are you going mitsu or t3 flanged. i would go with wastegate on o2

 

[SVP97GST]

mitsu flanged, external gate

 

[talonz27]

sweet man sound like it will be a cool setup. slowboy also has a comparable price on that turbo if you wanted to go check it out there.

and also here are some o2 housings if you decide to do o2 wastegate.
http://www.punishment-racing.com/tial38mmo2housings.html

on the cheap i just ordered a recirculated one from this guy with out wastegate flange on it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DSM-...141545468QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270141545468