Help me go fast with a 420a

[glowryder]

^ This. to run 12s reliably will not be cheap. Most of all, it will depend on your skill. It will also need some$$ parts to use power effectively. Its not all about the motor and the boost, dont forget youll need to put money into the suspension, trans and tires..

If your looking fr a built motor, hit us up, we will build you something for that goal.

 

[EclipseOwner95]

everyone told me to sell my 420a, an by a gsx blah blah blah, no my built 420a on 8psi is smoking gsx an gst's on 12-15psi, and is a hell of a lot more reliabe than my stock 97 gst, good luck sir, if you decide to build there are some 420aer's on here that will help you get into the twelve's reliably,

wut?

If your stock 97 GST was breaking down it certainly wasn't the cars fault. My 1G makes north of 500HP and I took it on a 2,000 mile road trip from Florida to Ohio for the shootout, all while getting 26mpg.

420's can go fast, a buddy of mine had an RS-T that was mildly quick, but just because you beat a stock turbo GSX/GST doesn't make you fast

 

[glowryder]

well built, or mildly built, it takes driver skill. I myself need some.. but i think more 420a people get on a quest for power , not realizing that they are needing power to make up for their lack of driving skill, or a poor setup, or both.. I agree, you can build a more powerful car for cheaper on the 4g platform. If thats the OPs true goal fast caar with X money, then platform is the variable.. if platform and go fast are the constants, then money is the variable.. pretty clear..

I however have seen more broken 4gs then not. granted, maybe because of owners, and some because of actual failure..but with more owners of 4gs and their rep (easy cheap power).. thats to be expected.

 

[ArchaicDsm]

This car is ment to be my intro to drag racing. Nothing more. 2-3k is my limit to put into the car. And not all at once, little here little there. As for my skill set haha...you show me how to and I can do anything. My first real project was my first truck. 1991 s 10 put a 2/3 spindle/block drop, pulled motor and trans and installed a fresh 4.3l v6 and reinstalled it myself. I consider myself a car guy but I don't know shyt. but what I do know is that with the right setup she can be a blast. As for a 12s In the .25mi....it's not where you go but how you get there. I am more than willing to bust knuckles and mess up to learn something from the experience. For the record I could just as easy mod a 4g but that's not the point. The point is this car has been sitting for over a year and I need to drop Duce or get off the pot. And I would much rather drop Duce than feel constipated. Metaphorically speaking haha. But I want to build it right N/A because there is always something else that can be done if I want more power. So let's go one step at a time and get this lawn ornament going before I sell it to some kid who thinks nitrous is allways the answer. And thanks for posting valuable opinions. They are appreciated negative or positive.

^ This. to run 12s reliably will not be cheap. Most of all, it will depend on your skill. It will also need some$$ parts to use power effectively. Its not all about the motor and the boost, dont forget youll need to put money into the suspension, trans and tires..

If your looking fr a built motor, hit us up, we will build you something for that goal.

Suspension- adjustable coil overs w/ tower bars? Got that tires- looking at a set of bfg g-force z rated. Trans is fresh and the car has a spare in the hatch if I need to build it up. What are the money parts that you guys think will break the budget?

 

[glowryder]

2-3 K will not get you into the 12s. thats enuf to Maybe, part together a decent turbo and fuel system.. Maybe.. and een then, your limited to ~8Psi depending on turbo size because ul be on stock internals. Tuning wil also not be available to you on this budget...

As for suspension.. Coilivers with adjustable dampner is recommended, LSD( this will eat up 500-1k+dependng on path), Tires.. if its a track car.. then run slicks. or if you drive it there.. run Drag raidals.. theres 400$ at least..

I have nitto 555's now, great tire.. i take it to the track, and i get no traction.. its a street tire. so get something for the track if thats your goal. Honestly, i think your budget and your 12 goal are not resoanble. IF, IF you pieced together a turbo/fuel system for that budget, youll have a 15-14 Sec car IMO, slightly faster then a stock GST if youwant to compare cars.

Now, NA, this is Mark's (MB) Arena, great times can be made with N/A, but require alot of cash investment and , well skill.. lots of skill. Thats my take on it.

 

[ArchaicDsm]

Haha I ran a 14 in my trailblazer. All it has is a exhaust and tune. And no I'm not willing to drop 3k for 14s. However I will rebuild it and sell at a better price than 2500 . Looking at parts and shop fees it's still going to set me back about 800 or so more than I've alleready spent. I guess I'll be knocking some dust off my s10 and searching for a ls2. thanks guys for being realistic.

And just so I can get this straight a bored motor with forged internals, a built but broken head,cam and gears, big as intake ported mannifold, cooler intake, "race" header, exhaust system, msd box, aftermarket tb, mas, and lord know what else, can't be built to get me where I wanna go on the money I want to spend?

 

[Cdc1221]

You would be lucky to get 200 ponies na. But see, one thing to take into consideration is weight. Its not just hp, its power to weight ratio. So if you get that baby running and seriously just want to race it, then you can do alot of weight reduction. And the best part, all it costs is your time. Just get rid of everything you dont need, ie ac, radio, pass seat, back seat, sound deadening material, carpet, hell you can even pull all the body panels and shave the interior metal out so that its just a shell. 200 hp in a 1 ton car is faster than 200 in a ton and a half

 

[glowryder]

"And just so I can get this straight a bored motor with forged internals, a built but broken head,cam and gears, big as intake ported mannifold, cooler intake, "race" header, exhaust system, msd box, aftermarket tb, mas, and lord know what else, can't be built to get me where I wanna go on the money I want to spend? "
I doubt you could get that done.. even so. it would still be really slow... issue is tunning. MS is what i think MB used to get his car in the times its at.. and im sure hes has spent more then 2K. and in that equation.. your forgetting suspension.. my.02

 

[jayson427]

kinda funny i have an 06 trailblazer ls and a modified eclipse n/a i know my car is way faster then my chevy. look into turbo kits or someone that is selling one on here i bet you could turbo your car for 3k. you dont need all the bells and whisles just a good turbo something to tune with. shit you can make half the piping if you know how to weld or a friend that does. just keep asking around. there is a thread on here on a how-to turbo your car for only 1k it can be done just if your willing.

 

[glowryder]

yea, and make us look like bigger jokes. anyone can "throw" it together.. thats not the point, this isnt junkyard racing, this isnt a challenge.. if your serious about it , youll build something reliable. If you dont have the cash to do it right.. dont do it.

 

[jayson427]

yea, and make us look like bigger jokes. anyone can "throw" it together.. thats not the point, this isnt junkyard racing, this isnt a challenge.. if your serious about it , youll build something reliable. If you dont have the cash to do it right.. dont do it.

you must be pretty uptight in person man. it was just an opinion, dude said he wanted the challenge we all know to do it right it takes alot of cash. i got probably 12k into my car all the way around without a turbo set up. you dont have to act like a bad ass which you do in about all of your post. its awesome you know your shit man but dont be a dick about it.

 

[glowryder]

no.. its a point of pride in our platform....pushing people to cut corners and budget build wont help out the community, its image or the person.. Not about being up tight.. its about steering people in the right direction.. So sorry i sound like an ass. but thats what it seems it takes to get people on the right path since the "search" button doesn't work..example.. look how many still buy and get burned by DSM Grave yard.. all because we dont want to hurt feelings.. etc.

How would you feel if people lumped your build in with a 1-2K throw together.. Just saying. not being a dick.. or a Hater.. people dont like facts i guess. I dont think he wanted a challenge, he wanted a cheaply boosted car to go into the 12s..at the track. Cheap+ 12s immediately remove him from the 420a platform..cheap and fast is for the 4Gs

Sorry im so critical, but i care about this platform, stupid as it sounds. Honestly, he should feel lucky he wasn't blasted about searching and so on and so forth...

Im a dick in real life too.. surround by kids with cut springs.. calling every car they see "clean" even thought its slapped together, spray bombed with rust holes..I dont wish our platform to be come this.

 

[ArchaicDsm]

kinda funny i have an 06 trailblazer ls and a modified eclipse n/a i know my car is way faster then my chevy. look into turbo kits or someone that is selling one on here i bet you could turbo your car for 3k. you dont need all the bells and whisles just a good turbo something to tune with. shit you can make half the piping if you know how to weld or a friend that does. just keep asking around. there is a thread on here on a how-to turbo your car for only 1k it can be done just if your willing.

Then you know the tbss makes 400hp and 400tq and runs a 14. I love my 2g so don't think I wouldn't like to drop 10k to make her perfect. But I have kids and a couple projects going on also. If the 2g was all.i have goin then hel yea I would make it rain all over it but I don't have that lux. So that ben said lets fixerup and let someone else have the pleasure of doing her right. Thanks for the advice.

And my whole reason for posting if for advice alone was to see if I could add 3k to what I have to get to 12s na. The answer is no. I am fine with that. Disappointed but fine. I posted in the noob to start with because it is what it is.

And your not being a dick haha I respect real. Keep it up bro.

 

[glowryder]

^ Thank you, that's really what 'trying for.. although, i do sometimes come off as a dick ;

Im glad you can understand the advice and use, unlike most noobs GL on your projects!

 

[ArchaicDsm]

Thanks again