Help me get to 600WHP help me with my parts list PART 2 ####ERS

[TSiturbo001]

wow thanks to whoever locked the last thread, didnt even give me a chance to reply to all great helpful posts.
Thanks to all that seriously answered my questions...to the rest...

It blows my mind how ####ing ### some of you assholes are on this site. I was looking for some ideas on different parts/setups to look at. Not a specific parts list to go out with my daddys credit card and purchase today. ###S. I AM NOT A NEWBIE, I HAVE OWNED 3 DSMS RETARDS.

link to last thread so everyone can read the braindead responses of these members...
Help me get to 600WHP help me with my parts list

how bout shoot for 300 hp first, asking these kinds of questions, and with the miniscule mods you have listed, I don't think your ready for the sheer ammount of MAINTAINANCE that goes with a 600 hp car, let alone the parts to make it, or the skill to drive it.

just as an example, you list that you "must have" a SS equal length manifold. why? do you even know? do you even need one? or are you just looking to have something shiny under your hood that looks high performance. Last time I checked there were more than a few peopel running at 140+ mph with a cast manifold.

i had a 380+ whp 91' awd if u didnt read my profile (recently parted out). so yes i have a very good idea of what im looking at for driving skill, maintenence, blablabla. what miniscule mods do i have listed anywhere?? and it must be ss equal length because they flow alot better than a shitty ported 2g obviously, and yes, they look badass under the hood. And no SHIT, it might look "high performance" mated up to a fp3065.

that much HP isnt going to come cheat, period.

and whats so magical about 600whp anyways?

i think you meant "cheap" and no shit the drivetrain is costing me well over 10k, and didnt you know, dsms can make 3 wishes come true and also fly after 600hp, duh.

Bit early in the year for christmas dream lists, eh?

Guy on to0nerz wants to make 600whp, no way. If you have to question vital parts like this on here, it's not happening. Period.

No, its the end of november. and i dont know what toOnerz is but uhh what ever you say bro. like i said, just wanted to see what brands people came up with.

Go higher compression, Full stand alone, why use a 264 cam? And forget about revving to 11K, Its a Mitsu GSX not a Suzuki GSXR. Theres no realy power to be had up there. Oh yeah and a lot of hope and dreams.

i know a full stand alone, 264 cause 272/272 combo is horibble on street from what ive heard. and i know you cant really do much in that rpm range, i was just making a point about how high it has revved without problem. not hopes and dreams bud, alot of cash, time and tuning actually.

Ricer.

###ot. oh yeah and my last 91' talon was faster than yours

Funny how all the people telling him how to make 600whp have no times posted.....

Btw, stage 6 head? Is that like one of those rotary heads, or just all titanium?

funny how you running low twelves makes you an authority on making dsms fast.
and yes, why dont you call up Victor Research in East Hartford, CT and ask Aaron about his stage 6 head. what now bi***, btw it used 2mm oversized Ferrea valves, no titanium in this thing. and just to let you know this head was bolted onto a car making 330 to the wheels and it jumped to 451 in the same day, same dyno, same tuning, nothing but bolting it on. not bad for a "stage 6" head huh.

Why are there always vague questions like this on this site. Just like the guy asking what it would take to run 10's. Again, the better question would be how many people on here are running 600 whp and what advice would they have. Or what parts or upgrades should I buy for the most HP for X amount of dollars. Guys that are runnin 400+ whp, thats pretty impressive already.
I'll give you some advice. Drive your car out to Shep, drop it off along with 20k and he'll have it runnin 600+ whp and it will take a 100 shot to do so, thats your best bet. Look at Shep's numbers, you think thats easy or cheap.

i know what i takes, i just wanted to know what most people would say. which parts showed up the most. and the advice about shep, thats a great idea bud i think ill do that, thanks for your contribution.

I dont feel i need to prove im faster to say... keep dreaming. it looks to me as you poked around the forums and read a little now and then to come up with your 600whp setup. If you need to ask approval of your setup thats going to make 600whp, your in over your head. Good choice on using a BOV, i hear they help. driveshaft and axles usually help to move the car as well, i also agree with this choice. shoot for 350hp before anything. seems you have alot to learn. IMO if you need to post asking people to tell you what to buy to make 600hp, you dont belong trying to make 600hp.
and tomeek, i think u should turn that thumb upsidedown and twirl it up his ass. why must you all complain about people pointing out the truth and the obvious. Threads like these crowd the forum with useless nonesense. If theyre was more real information, rather than people asking approval of theyre dream setups forums would be of alot more help to people and actually serve a purpose.

Yeah i poked around a little and it got me to my 380whp 11 sec talon, is that enough poking around for you. I didnt ask approval of anything, i asked about some parts i should use, and was curious of what most people would come up with. Yes, i wanted to know what bov people felt would work the best on the street and have to handle 30+psi, i didnt know that there was something wrong with that. Yes driveshafts and axles help move a car, but i want a lighter/stronger driveshaft and stronger axles obviously, 600 hp could destroy those stock parts. WTF is your problem guy? I dont need to know what parts, i was just looking for ideas and what most people came up with. This is not useless nonsense, sorry you didnt learn anything from it, but you didnt ask the question asshole, i did. Your post is useless nonsense and crowded up my ####ing thread. I am a member and have just as much right as you do to post a thread. Not a dream buddy, a reality that i am in the process of building. thanks again.

600 HP??? why on earth would you be shooting for that?! you have no idea what the maintenance on a 400HP car is, i would know...i OWN one and have to work on it all the time! i cant believe some DSM newbie wanting to make 600HP. it took me ALOT of time and consideration to come up with a streetable, daily driven 400HP car. also took about 10k to build, and that was all the labor done by myself. shoot for 300HP on a 14b which can be had by exhaust, mbc, intake, hard piping, injectors, 1g dsmlink, 255lph fuel pump, aeromotive fpr, k&n filter, hacked maf, hacked aircan, and some gauges to monitor it. with 300 HP you can run a mid-low 12, 400HP did me 11.39 with ALOT of tuning and driving time. as for your tranny, get a busted one, send it off to shep and ask for a standard rebuild, HD 3-4 conversion, and a 4 spider center diff...that will be sufficent for up to about 600HP later on. take your time and read, learn about it all. i too wanted to just jump in and get 600HP...but then reality set in.

why would i be shooting for 600 hp, i dont know because i got bored with my 400 hp daily driver and want a really fast ####ing car ****. why would anyone possibly want 600hp, i cant think of why, maybe because its an ASSLOAD of power, and alot more than most can afford or have the time or know-how to build most likely including you and your buddies on this thread. I have EVERY idea of what kind of maintenence goes into a 400hp car bud. DSM Newbie , why dont u read my profile and check out the last car I BUILT. Yeah i have a good tranny, and i dont need it right now, then i will send it out and get it fully built by shep, rather than get a standard build and destroy it, thanks for the great suggestion though, i am a newbie and learned lots from you.

 

[95gstnotwalkin]

you need to take a laxative or something dude.......relax..

 

[Black95TSIawd]

i think you should use a tial bov and go straight to a T4 turbo and screw all this mitsu bolt on crap. SS autochrome makes some good headers and dont forget the naaawwss. Two fo the big ones. Make sure u get them by tonight.

 

[CanadianTSi]

If you know everything already, why do you need to ask??

If you want different Idea's on setup's just SEARCH!!

 

[pboglio]

Wow,

Record for the longest post If I were shooting for 600 whp I would skip the boards and call vendors directly. I'm sure there are guys on this list with that horsepower but I'd still talk to a vendor directly. Trying to get advice off of a board is a mixed bag at best, for every one good suggestion you get 100 telling you it can't be done. Looks like those 100 got to you and they are enjoying it. Call Buschur, Extreme, AGP, etc. and be done with it.

 

[TSiturbo001]

dont tell me to relax, a bunch of tools just completely f*cked up my last thread for no reason. I never said i knew everything, i said i was looking for different suggestions and ideas <--dont know how you missed this, i said it about 15 times. And i dont think there are too many threads on here about making the kind of power i am going to, so it would be kinda useless to search. And the threads people did put up about that kinda power probably turned out like mine cause people get upset and jealous or something and decide to flame them.

Thank you Black95TSIawd..i will look into a full garret setup, i have had many tell me this route is a waste of time and money but it is still an option, i appreciate the suggestion. tial is definatly on the top 3 of my list (for bov AND wastegates) and the ss autochrome mani's look awesome. thanks.

 

[AL92]

Yeah you get all sorts on the boards.Really from all my reading the recipe don't seem that hard.You want 600 at the wheels well then obviously a big turbo best seem to be like the ball bearing one..fp3065 should do it type thing.Pretty large injectors obviously 700 to 900 range there.Big huge intercooler.Nice sheet metal intake,some cams too.and a nice 100 shot of spray maybe or a bit more depending on how the bottom end is built and we are assuming strong and of course all support mods ,big fuel pump and afpr and 4 bolt rear end and built tranny .Not that compicated or hard to do.A good standalone or possibly can still do it with an safc or dsm link now for 1g and 2g's.
So not sure whats up with all the negative posts from guys must be just horsepower envy.And sure it will take maybe 10,000 for all the above but pretty good bang for buck really compared to lots of other stuff out there for cars and they power they come with.And betting it could be decently streetable.
I may even go toward this hardware and set up if my 50 trim dont' impress me enough in the coming months.
But it is doable guys.Will it be pretty expensive..well yes if you work at mcdonalds,pretty cheap if you have a decent job and can do most of the work yourself.

I am used to buying things like 3000 dollar cylinder heads and 1200 dollar headers for my cars these talons are pretty cheap to fix up.Now lets see those dyno numbers next spring !!!

 

[TSiturbo001]

Wow,

Record for the longest post If I were shooting for 600 whp I would skip the boards and call vendors directly. I'm sure there are guys on this list with that horsepower but I'd still talk to a vendor directly. Trying to get advice off of a board is a mixed bag at best, for every one good suggestion you get 100 telling you it can't be done. Looks like those 100 got to you and they are enjoying it. Call Buschur, Extreme, AGP, etc. and be done with it.

sorry about the lengthy post, . I have been talking with my goto shop and this is probably what im going to do. you are definatly right and i should have known what would happen. figured it would be a cool thread and give me some ideas, let people post up some ideas and sick setups. Oh well, hopefully thats what i can get here........

 

[definitiveno]

If you know everything already, why do you need to ask??

If you want different Idea's on setup's just SEARCH!!

STFU unless you want to help. What use are you if your just being a smart ass or/and redirecting him to some place else.

Help; put out, or get out.

 

[TSiturbo001]

Yeah you get all sorts on the boards.Really from all my reading the recipe don't seem that hard.You want 600 at the wheels well then obviously a big turbo best seem to be like the ball bearing one..fp3065 should do it type thing.Pretty large injectors obviously 700 to 900 range there.Big huge intercooler.Nice sheet metal intake,some cams too.and a nice 100 shot of spray maybe or a bit more depending on how the bottom end is built and we are assuming strong and of course all support mods ,big fuel pump and afpr and 4 bolt rear end and built tranny .Not that compicated or hard to do.A good standalone or possibly can still do it with an safc or dsm link now for 1g and 2g's.
So not sure whats up with all the negative posts from guys must be just horsepower envy.And sure it will take maybe 10,000 for all the above but pretty good bang for buck really compared to lots of other stuff out there for cars and they power they come with.And betting it could be decently streetable.
I may even go toward this hardware and set up if my 50 trim dont' impress me enough in the coming months.
But it is doable guys.Will it be pretty expensive..well yes if you work at mcdonalds,pretty cheap if you have a decent job and can do most of the work yourself.

I am used to buying things like 3000 dollar cylinder heads and 1200 dollar headers for my cars these talons are pretty cheap to fix up.Now lets see those dyno numbers next spring !!!

yeah thats pretty much whatitll take, i dont want nitrous. Itll take WELL over 10k also. And youll have to wait till spring of 06' for any numbers bro

 

[pboglio]

You asked about engine management. I'd wait until DSMLINK comes out for the 1g. I don't have 600 whp only 319 whp but its a godsend, I don't know what I'd do without it. DSMLINK datalogs all the usual good stuff: fuel injector pulse widths, rpm, tps, 02, mass air, horsepower, torque, water temps, knock count, timing and 20 others. It controls large injectors, gives full control over ignition timing, rev limit, launch control, anitlag, etc.

I'm also running an HKS VPC&GCC mostly to get rid of the intake restriction. I picked up 28 w.h.p. from the lack of intake restriction. I'd go with a MAFT though since its cheaper.

If I were you and serious about REAL power I'd pick up the Edelbrock "Qwik Data" data acquisition system. You can log intercooler temps, turbo outlet temps, 1 egt for every cylinder, exhaust manifold backpressure, oil pressure, oil temp, fuel pressure, wide band O2. You can log up to 24 different analog sensors & 6 digital sensors of any type, along with rpm, wheel speed, tps etc. With this setup you can size up fuel pump performance, intercooler pressure drops and efficiencies, compressor efficiency, turbine sizing and backpressure, exhaust system performance. It also measures lateral and longitudenal g-forces. I'm picking up this baby for the winter, even though my goals are more modest than yours.

 

[Black95TSIawd]

Thank you Black95TSIawd..i will look into a full garret setup, i have had many tell me this route is a waste of time and money but it is still an option, i appreciate the suggestion. tial is definatly on the top 3 of my list (for bov AND wastegates) and the ss autochrome mani's look awesome. thanks.

my plan has foiled. um, your welcome dude.

 

[TSiturbo001]

thankyou definitiveno

 

[ChicagoGSX]

http://www.mindfixers.com/rageanon.html

I guarantee with your current attitude you will get no help from the most intelligent members on this board who actually have experience with 600hp cars. I suggest you settle down and have more respect instead of going off at everyone.

 

[TSiturbo001]

You asked about engine management. I'd wait until DSMLINK comes out for the 1g. I don't have 600 whp only 319 whp but its a godsend, I don't know what I'd do without it. DSMLINK datalogs all the usual good stuff: fuel injector pulse widths, rpm, tps, 02, mass air, horsepower, torque, water temps, knock count, timing and 20 others. It controls large injectors, gives full control over ignition timing, rev limit, launch control, anitlag, etc.

I'm also running an HKS VPC&GCC mostly to get rid of the intake restriction. I picked up 28 w.h.p. from the lack of intake restriction. I'd go with a MAFT though since its cheaper.

If I were you and serious about REAL power I'd pick up the Edelbrock "Qwik Data" data acquisition system. You can log intercooler temps, turbo outlet temps, 1 egt for every cylinder, exhaust manifold backpressure, oil pressure, oil temp, fuel pressure, wide band O2. You can log up to 24 different analog sensors & 6 digital sensors of any type, along with rpm, wheel speed, tps etc. With this setup you can size up fuel pump performance, intercooler pressure drops and efficiencies, compressor efficiency, turbine sizing and backpressure, exhaust system performance. It also measures lateral and longitudenal g-forces. I'm picking up this baby for the winter, even though my goals are more modest than yours.

AWESOME post brother, and exactly the kind of info i was looking for. thanks alot. I didnt know anything about Edelbrocks product and will def. look into it, it sounds really interesting. DSMLINK 1g is also and option im looking into. thanks alot for the helpful post man!

 

[TSiturbo001]

http://www.mindfixers.com/rageanon.html

I guarantee with your current attitude you will get no help from the most intelligent members on this board who actually have experience with 600hp cars. I suggest you settle down and have more respect instead of going off at everyone.

I didnt go off on anyone, i simply explained myself. Sorry i got upset when every ####tard on this board dedided to flame my thread. That was respectful huh. Cute link. i will definatly consider your suggestion

 

[pboglio]

http://www.mindfixers.com/rageanon.html

I guarantee with your current attitude you will get no help from the most intelligent members on this board who actually have experience with 600hp cars. I suggest you settle down and have more respect instead of going off at everyone.

Hey,

That link is pretty funny. Don't tell me that shits for real :laugh:

 

[sweet97]

pboglio wins the prize for answering the question without breaking any of the 4 rules for replying to a post. Remember it does not matter if the person asking the question break the rules. What we saw was a wonderful disply of the golden rule, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Congrats Gene and I'm srious. This could have gotten really ugly. An analogy would be a fireman dousing a fire while the neighbors ran around not sure what to do. Hey, I just woke up i the chair and that's the best analogy I came up with.
I do ask the writer to let us know what you find out from the vendors because then we can lean something and that's why I'm here though sometimes the entertainment is worth the price of admission! Thanksgiving is over and we are heading towards "Good will and peace towards men." Mark

 

[Mirage2LTurbo]

Your last 91 was faster than mine? I'm at 600whp, are you? Case closed. You are the tool asking how to make power.

 

[RoasT BeeF]

Go higher compression, Full stand alone, why use a 264 cam? And forget about revving to 11K, Its a Mitsu GSX not a Suzuki GSXR. Theres no realy power to be had up there. Oh yeah and a lot of hope and dreams.

Shep shifts at 10K.

 

[GSXTCY]

I dont know why the last one was deleted, but I know why this one is. And I do not think I need to give the reason. Next time use your head before you post. I have recommended a 3 day vacation for you. Thank you.