Help diagnoase, video included!

[darkiller_666]

I have been having problems getting my talon started after a recent problem with my coil pack and PTU! I decided i would go and take a video of how it was cranking to see if i get get some help and lo and behold the talon starts for the first time in like a month and a half. It would start only if i floored the gas as i crank it. It started but mad a horrible sound accompanied by some smoke. It did start and I am super happy about my progress. I went through every wire from the ecu and made sure all connections were good and electric taped them all up. I checked all the wires coming from the PTU, injectors, o2 sensors, the CPS, the fuse box, and any other wire i could find. Brand new plug wires and plugs. I new known working PTU! So please check out the video and help me if you can! greatly appreciated i cant wait to feel the boost again.
YouTube - MOV00689.MPG

 

[interex]

Yea, try fixing the video first. Also try to not let your message ramble together like it does.

Then maybe someone can assist you a little better.

 

[darkiller_666]

I am trying to get the video working. It says the video is encoding.

 

[wickednightmare]

I have been having problems getting my talon started after a recent problem with my coil pack and PTU! I decided i would go and take a video of how it was cranking to see if i get get some help and lo and behold the talon starts for the first time in like a month and a half. It would start only if i floored the gas as i crank it. It started but mad a horrible sound accompanied by some smoke. It did start and I am super happy about my progress. I went through every wire from the ecu and made sure all connections were good and electric taped them all up. I checked all the wires coming from the PTU, injectors, o2 sensors, the CPS, the fuse box, and any other wire i could find. Brand new plug wires and plugs. I new known working PTU! So please check out the video and help me if you can! greatly appreciated i cant wait to feel the boost again.
YouTube - MOV00689.MPG

i would do a comp. check and make sure your timming is set and make sure your plugs are gaped at .028 is that a 6bolt or still the stocker

 

[myturbo]

Make sure plug wires are on right and all the way on & check if plug holes have liquid in them

 

[darkiller_666]

Checked no liquid in the plug holes. I tried the wires switched around in every which way. The spark plugs are brand new and gapped correctly. My timing teeth still line up exactly.

 

[darkiller_666]

I cant even get it to start again now. This has been giving me such a headache.

 

[tristanmb81]

what is that lound knocking noise??? !!!

 

[myturbo]

I cant even get it to start again now. This has been giving me such a headache.

HMM COULD BE SO MANY THING IF IT IS STILL LIKE THAT WHEN THE SNOW IS GONE IN WICHITA I WILL COME TO SALINA TO HELP YOU MAYBE SOONER SORRY IF NOT SOON

 

[darkiller_666]

Yea the noise is horrible and its only firing on one or two cylinders. I am flooring it the entire time in the video. As soon as i quit flooring it it would die. The car was sitting for over a month with only the PTU and Coil packs needed to be changed. My car has gone through 4 sets of these in a year. It was displaying the same probls as all the other times these went out. I was short on money so it took me a while. All the other times id put the new Coils and PTU in and vwahla it would work right away. This time the car will crank over but not start.

 

[tristanmb81]

do you have the coil plugges in correctly? spark plug wires are bad? bad sparkplugs? timing jumped? bad injectors? bad compression? bad coil? like what he said it could be many things..... you just have to rule them out one by one.

 

[darkiller_666]

Heres what ive ruled out..... Brand new spark plugs. Tried 2 diff coils, checked all wiring related to the coils. New spark plugs gapped at .028. Timing marks still line up perfectly. I havent done a compression check sence its been done shortly before it quit working it was 155 all the way across. Didnt think sitting for a month would ruin compression. Ill try describing more of my issues.
When i crank the car it will turn like normal for a few cranks then slow down for one crank. This happened on a freshly charged battery and being jumped from a running vehicle. I know only one or two cylinders were running cause i touched the manifold and only 2 of the runners were hot. I have gone through all the wiring from the PTU the CPS all the injector wiring the TPS and other sensors of the Tb and IM and all the wires coming out of the ECU itself. I pulled the plug wires out one at a time put them up against the valve cover and tried cranking the engine to check for spark. I noticed the spark was weak and kinda eratic wiling cranking. The weak spark happened with both coil packs and a new PTU. If i try cranking it with out the PTU in at all it just constantly cranks with out the slowed down crank. Everyonce and a while it will backfire a lil while im cranking it. And if i floor it while it backfires a lil sometime it will start like in the video. I dont know how to explain my problem any better. I checked the coils with a multimeter and it fell within specs.

 

[darkiller_666]

double posted by accident. post 13 and 14 were the same..

 

[darkiller_666]

i know the car was running with these wires previously cut but i was told this might have to do with my no start issue.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/317986-found-cut-wires-explain.html

 

[snowborder714]

I'd say take the timing belt covers off, set at TDC, and check all timing marks. Check base timing. Triple check your spark plug wire routing (mine did the same thing when I switched 3 and 4).

4321 [Timing Belt]
4123 front to back

Compression test. I posted about the 1g CAS in your other thread.

 

[wickednightmare]

I'd say take the timing belt covers off, set at TDC, and check all timing marks. Check base timing. Triple check your spark plug wire routing (mine did the same thing when I switched 3 and 4).

4321 [Timing Belt]
4123 front to back

Compression test. I posted about the 1g CAS in your other thread.

i agree a compression check never hurts as i said in my last post and its good info to know about your car and were it stands plus maybe its the ecu did you mod it for and safc vpc any piggy backs ?

 

[darkiller_666]

Good news. i noticed all my plugs were soaked and smelt like straight gas. Pretty flooded from all my attempts at starting. So i cleaned the plugs, seeming how theyre brand new and put them back in. Tried turning it over again and got it to back fire a few times and finally start. i held the throttle down very lightly and kept it running tell it got to running temp. It smoked a lot white and smelt heavily of gas. Turned it off let it sit. Put the key in and it started right up. Bad news..... It was only running on 2 cylinders. Please check out the new video and give me any suggestions.

The car is obviously getting spark to the first two cylinders that aren't running. When i removed the plug wires from these cylinders the cars idle didn't change at all. It also stayed the same with plugs in but injectors disconnected. Its hard to hear but in real life you can hear like an electric arch going all the time. zzzp zzzp zzzzp. How can i check the injectors to make sure there getting signal and power?? what wires on the ecu would correspond with these injectors? Is it a relay or maybe my CAS? Please help!!!
YouTube - Talon idle on 2

YouTube - Talon on 2

 

["G"]

First you need to uninstall that wing then try a different ecu, looks like those 2 injectors are not working.

 

[darkiller_666]

How can i check to see why they arent working? Could it be a relay or wiring or what? Oh and ill try removing my wing and see if that helps it run right.

 

[darkiller_666]

I think having parked next to my neon is more damaging to the injectors then anything else. seriously though any ideas on what might be the reasoning to my compromised fuel in cylinders 1 and 2? What relays if any are related to this issue? Can i use my multimeter to check the injectors? If so what is in specs and whats not? Could this be a CPS problem?

 

[darkiller_666]

I checked the oil and it is low i plan on cheanging it and the whole nine yards tomorrow.

 

["G"]

Not the level, the fact that it's mixed w/ gas!

 

[darkiller_666]

No i didnt check that. What would it mean if it was mixed with gas? What would cause this? I know when i did my compression test the spark plugs had what looked like gas with a lil bit of oil in it. I thought it was carbon build up.

 

["G"]

Your oil is being diluted by the gas, which will cause your cylinder walls to get scored or fry your bearings.

 

[darkiller_666]

Why is my fuel and oil mixing im confused as to what causes this?