Hate to say it but... I AM GLAD GAS PRICES ARE HIGH. Look inside for my reason.

[silver bullit]

KEEP THIS THREAD CLEAN>!!! No name calling or threats.

Hate to say it but... I AM GLAD GAS PRICES ARE HIGH. Look inside for my reason.

Hate to say it but its time we seriously cut back on are amount we use.

Europe average MPG is 35ish, japan is 50 MPGish, While USA takes the cake with an average vehicle getting 10-25 mpg.

Our consumption increases every year and supply goes down every year. (simple basics of supply and demand) Most of these oil refineries are already at maxed production, are old and need repair. Its not like we can build more of them right now over night. Thpugh it still wont solve the problem.


In the past 70's, 80's, 90's and now we still have not learned to get more efficient vehicles. Every time we see a relief we go out and buy the biggest vehicle that can suck down as much gas as possible, while not even buying to fit your needs. Nope ya gota go out and get the biggest pos, or ya gotta have to buy a 7+ seater suv/truck that gets 10 mpg.


True or not drilling in Alaska or Putting more oil rigs off shore may or may not help but its not a solution. Its simply a band aid for the problem.

Now sure some if not all of use need to get the vehicle to work and etc, but there is no need for cars today to get an average of 30. We did that crap back in the 80's and early 90's getting 25-35 mpg.

I do think how ever it is not a good thing for gas to be where its at but hen again we still have not learned.

There is so much more i wanna type to further support this but i dont have the time now, maybe later.

This is a particular example. I got a ton more.

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Mean while: You roll on your big suv, truck, car etc, to drive 20-50-100 200+ miles to work, with only you in the car.

also like the kbb or nada book value drop on these gas guzzler.

Oh well more later.

LMK what you think...

 

[gsxtasy]

We'll keep paying for it, so they keep upping the prices. The consumer decides the prices not the oil companies. I agree with what your saying though, there is no need for huge SUV's for a highschool girl or what have you. Although some people do need/use them, so how can you tell people that they can or can't have the vehicle they want, if they're willing to pay for the fuel to operate it. Although, they are putting stricter EPA regulations on vehicles now a days, aren't they?

 

[silver bullit]

We'll keep paying for it, so they keep upping the prices. The consumer decides the prices not the oil companies. I agree with what your saying though, there is no need for huge SUV's for a highschool girl or what have you. Although some people do need/use them, so how can you tell people that they can or can't have the vehicle they want, if they're willing to pay for the fuel to operate it. Although, they are putting stricter EPA regulations on vehicles now a days, aren't they?

Still takes to long, then the epa regulations when they get to be in affect will be out of date when they are ready to be standard.

The rules they want to enforce in 10 years need to be now.
To little to late.

 

[gsxtasy]

Yeah I understand, I was legitimately asking if they were making them more strict. Change takes time, no matter what they come up with it will be in a years scale, nothing is going to fix it right now! We have to start somewhere, and if we don't then people will still be saying 'too little to late' in 10 years from now when gas is $20/gal, or more...

 

[kottyking]

I'm sure your dsm gets GREAT gas mileage......................

 

[Twistaye]

My GST gets 27mpg with mixed city/highway driving. There are worse vehicles we could be driving too! To each his own, if you have the money to keep paying for gas then why would you try and stop? The rich people driving Hummer's and Lambo's that get 7-8 mpg aren't concerned about the gas prices, but us who are hurting are feeling it will continue to complain and cut back while the "big wigs" will keep doing what they do and not even be affected by it. I'll keep riding the bike if need be

 

[ZQ8Dude]

Yeah I understand, I was legitimately asking if they were making them more strict. Change takes time, no matter what they come up with it will be in a years scale, nothing is going to fix it right now! We have to start somewhere, and if we don't then people will still be saying 'too little to late' in 10 years from now when gas is $20/gal, or more...

That depends though. I think that whole 30mpg limit is viable for passenger cars/suv's(since so many of those suvs are unnessecary)

However when it comes to trucks 30mpg might be nearly impossible to obtain without severely limiting its capabilities.

Those old 4cyl toyotas/S10s could pull off 30mpg on the highway, but they could barely get out of their own way and i wouldnt trust one tow a trailer with two dirtbikes on it.

 

[gsxtasy]

That depends though. I think that whole 30mpg limit is viable for passenger cars/suv's(since so many of those suvs are unnessecary)

However when it comes to trucks 30mpg might be nearly impossible to obtain without severely limiting its capabilities.

Those old 4cyl toyotas/S10s could pull off 30mpg on the highway, but they could barely get out of their own way and i wouldnt trust one tow a trailer with two dirtbikes on it.

Is 30mpg what they're going for? Like I said, I was actually asking if they were putting restrictions on. I agree trucks would be a hard task, if not impossible at this given time. Without better technology, I don't see it happening for awhile. Maybe highway commuting 2wd pickups, but not 4wd trucks towing things, or what about semi trucks? Are those going to be under regulation too?

 

[TunaTalon]

The value of the proven reserves of oil off shore Florida is about the same as the national debt. Even if we all enjoy Al Gore's Kool-Aid it's stupid to leave our own oil underground and pay nearly $1,000,000,000.00/day to countries who hate us.


Efficiency is good, but stupid is as stupid does.

 

[crimsondragon]

We're not any better with our heavily modded cars are we? With dual Walbros, or in-line fuel pumps and 1600cc injectors with Garrett turbos, we'll most likely run out of fuel after a full tank before we finish tuning the damn thing on the dyno.

Society is plagued with the idea that bigger is better. Everyone's got to have the biggest penis in some form to make up for their lack of self-confidence.

Drilling is only a partial solution. It's just only going to give us more time. Eventually we'll run out. I believe we went past the world's halfway point in oil last summer. Or two summers ago. Also, I'm not too fond of drilling in Alaska. There's been more than enough oil spills up there and nature has been paying for it. We need to heavily invest in alternative fuels such as hydrogen fuel cells.

 

[JayRolla]

It does not madder how high the prices are. We will NOT CUTBACK any gas using. You still have to go to work, you still need to drive to the store and everyone still wants to take that vacation. Prices being high will just hurt us, not benefit anyone else.

 

[the_mork]

Yes, because the average American retaining less of their total income after travel expenses is really going to be a great boon for the unfortunates in less developed countries. The graphic with the escalade has nothing to do with your point and in fact I'm not entirely sure what your point is except that you want us to reduce oil consumption. Are you worried about the environment? Starving children? Peak oil? You hinted at peak oil but I can't really take a peak oil argument seriously so I'm going to assume its something else. Your graphic looked like you were advocating poverty and hunger relief but I'm not sure how Americans having less disposable income will help other people so please explain why you want gas prices to be high since so far you've only explained that Americans tend to have less fuel efficient vehicles.

 

[Sinner]

Hmm American's are the hardest working people in the world, and we have everything...do you think they are connected? why do we deserve to pay out the ass for fuel and why should we have to stoop to lower levels of living if we are the driving force in the world? have some pride in your country and stop following what the so called "good doers" tell you to do, why should I donate charity for countries that don't care to get ahead or care about me in general. Lets face it we live in a dog eat dog world and it IS an us v.s. them society in every country around the world, we should use the oil supplies in our own country and stop buying from other countries, if we were independent then there income would drop severly since the U.S alone uses a quarter of the worlds oil. we have enough discovered oil in this country to last for probably 100 yrs.

 

[EvolvingGST]

Hmm American's are the hardest working people in the world, and we have everything...do you think they are connected? why do we deserve to pay out the ass for fuel and why should we have to stoop to lower levels of living if we are the driving force in the world? have some pride in your country and stop following what the so called "good doers" tell you to do, why should I donate charity for countries that don't care to get ahead or care about me in general. Lets face it we live in a dog eat dog world and it IS an us v.s. them society in every country around the world, we should use the oil supplies in our own country and stop buying from other countries, if we were independent then there income would drop severly since the U.S alone uses a quarter of the worlds oil. we have enough discovered oil in this country to last for probably 100 yrs.

Actually statistics show that S. Koreans are the hardest working people in the world. They on average gets less than 2 days of Vacation time a year and work average of 60 hrs a week. And their technology is superior to us and run almost dead even with Japan.

But I see what you mean. But i theory they have nothing because their country does nothing that the world wants, i dont think they are necessarily lazy so they should be helped. I mean its just something we should do as humans and not be so cut throat about it.

And gas prices are rediculous and it proves why we as people need to evolve and be able to make things that can be renewable

 

[droppinbottom]

Got to love threads like this.

Before the OP goes any farther take a look at what his cars mpg actually is and then take his own advice and park it. Then go buy a scooter and ride back and forth to work.

Moral is Lead by example or quit your griping.

 

[PIMking]

Im buying a 49 cc scooter then im going to mod it to get it to go faster but shoot 100 mpg is kinda nice.

The scooter will do 55 mph so that will be fast enough to drive on the one highway that will take me to the hockey rink. When it gets cold I will layer up and ride until i cant take it anymore. and only break out the dsm when its time to head to the strip.

 

[silver bullit]

Got to love threads like this.

Before the OP goes any farther take a look at what his cars mpg actually is and then take his own advice and park it. Then go buy a scooter and ride back and forth to work.

Moral is Lead by example or quit your griping.

WOW even with turbo and awd i still can get 25-30

 

[Deadly BlaZe]

Got to love threads like this.

Before the OP goes any farther take a look at what his cars mpg actually is and then take his own advice and park it. Then go buy a scooter and ride back and forth to work.

Moral is Lead by example or quit your griping.

Not every one can afford a brand new car I know I sure as hell wouldn't be driving a 1g if I could afford an Evo.

And to avoid arguing over that, any pre 2000 civic, camry, etc gets the same mpg as we can. Like bullit said, my car also gets anywhere friom 24-30 mpg. So substituting another cheap, old car isn't a solution.

But I agree with ya bullit, this country and the people in it take everything for granted. And it's not just gas, it's everything. I went to Lebanon and Vietnam (out in the jungles) a couple years ago, and the shit those people go through to survive is incredible. I laugh at my self every time I think I'm going through a "rough" time.

Hmm American's are the hardest working people in the world, and we have everything...do you think they are connected?

LMFAO FUNNIEST POST EVER. Good Joke.

If by hardest you mean working at taco bell or working inside a corporate office, then yeah you're right. That's really tough. Poor us.

 

[droppinbottom]

Not every one can afford a brand new car I know I sure as hell wouldn't be driving a 1g if I could afford an Evo.

And to avoid arguing over that, any pre 2000 civic, camry, etc gets the same mpg as we can. Like bullit said, my car also gets anywhere friom 24-30 mpg. So substituting another cheap, old car isn't a solution.

But I agree with ya bullit, this country and the people in it take everything for granted. And it's not just gas, it's everything. I went to Lebanon and Vietnam (out in the jungles) a couple years ago, and the shit those people go through to survive is incredible. I laugh at my self every time I think I'm going through a "rough" time.


LMFAO FUNNIEST POST EVER. Good Joke.

If by hardest you mean working at taco bell or working inside a corporate office, then yeah you're right. That's really tough. Poor us.

In no way can I afford a new car either hence why I drive a paid for vehicle but not trying to be rude here people need to do some research before they open their mouths.

A turbo car especially a awd vehicle does not get as good of fuel milage as a n/a vehicle. Your car getting such good fuel milage is because of things you have done to it where you can tweak the fuel economeny. Just go look up the EPA fuel milage estimates for our cars and you will see what I am talking about.

Lastly your statement about pre 2k vehicles getting same fuel milage is a joke. take a look at a late 80's/early 90's honda crx HF and tell me it doesnt get better fuel milage than any of our cars will ever dream of getting unless you decide to Fred Flinstone your ass around.

I would like to point out that I agree americans as a whole are very wasteful but you can't just blame it on the vehicles driven. All of us use plastic disposable cups,forks,spoons,plates, etc daily which is bases off of petroleum products. These items are some of the worst imaginable because they use fossil fuels to be made and then we just throw them away and then they sit in our landfills and make a bigger mess.


Just so you see where I based my fuel estimates from. Notice a AWD car is the last one.
Gas Mileage of 1990 Eagle Talon

 

[Polyol]

KEEP THIS THREAD CLEAN>!!! No name calling or threats.

Hate to say it but... I AM GLAD GAS PRICES ARE HIGH. Look inside for my reason.

Hate to say it but its time we seriously cut back on are amount we use.

Europe average MPG is 35ish, japan is 50 MPGish, While USA takes the cake with an average vehicle getting 10-25 mpg.

One reason Europe & Japan's averages are much higher, is because they don't have to meet the safety & emmisions standards that we have in the US. So they make lighter weight vehicles and small diesel motors.

 

[silver bullit]

One reason Europe & Japan's averages are much higher, is because they don't have to meet the safety & emmisions standards that we have in the US. So they make lighter weight vehicles and small diesel motors.

Or maybe cause japan is mAd JdM TyTe yO!!

Yeah the same reason why need big cars yo.

Use aluminum, plastic etc, hell use a 4 cyl, motor. you can get them to 240 hp na and 300+ with a turbo.

I dont know why the old bastards at gm, ford, chrysler etc insist on the v motor flat form, they are inefficient.

They are more content on making 3 ton vehicles that need 300-1000 dollar each tires and mpg equivalent (spell) to a tank in WW1.

Not to mention the value drops on them about 10k right off the lot, even new. Haha lets not talk about quality and value....

Yeah getting better but no.

Oh but its big and mean and it makes be feel like a man with my balls removed, even though it looks like something i just shat out.


Honda is even slacking on mpg they did 30 back in the 80's, now they are...





the...





same.





Go figure they made the insight and screwed themselves over on that car for selling it less than what is actually cost.



Back to europe, there gas is at $10.. They have been refining this for a while now, same thing with japan. They make more effective and efficient cars for years.

 

[Deadly BlaZe]

Lastly your statement about pre 2k vehicles getting same fuel milage is a joke. take a look at a late 80's/early 90's honda crx HF and tell me it doesnt get better fuel milage than any of our cars will ever dream of getting unless you decide to Fred Flinstone your ass around.

Any old car will have some sort of problems contributing to inefficient fuel consumption. My point was a pre 2k car will not make matters a whole lot better than they are now.

A turbo car especially a awd vehicle does not get as good of fuel milage as a n/a vehicle. Your car getting such good fuel milage is because of things you have done to it where you can tweak the fuel economeny. Just go look up the EPA fuel milage estimates for our cars and you will see what I am talking about.

Well yes that's true, but still, it doesn't matter HOW you get it to be more economic and why it's more economic, as long as it is. That's why I used my car specifically as an example, not every 1g in general.

 

[DougR]

That depends though. I think that whole 30mpg limit is viable for passenger cars/suv's(since so many of those suvs are unnessecary)

However when it comes to trucks 30mpg might be nearly impossible to obtain without severely limiting its capabilities.

Those old 4cyl toyotas/S10s could pull off 30mpg on the highway, but they could barely get out of their own way and i wouldnt trust one tow a trailer with two dirtbikes on it.[/QUOTE]


I pulled 2 bikes on trailer loaded down with a weeks camping supplies. Along with a 3rd bike in the bed of the truck, over 5 hours 2 times a month. for over 3 years. Back in the day when I raced. And this was with a 89 Carb'd, 2.8 liter Auto S-10.
Had ZERO problems with that Truck. Wish like hell I still had it... But a Fuel line ruptured and burn't it to the ground!

 

[voodoogsx]

KEEP THIS THREAD CLEAN>!!! No name calling or threats.

Hate to say it but its time we seriously cut back on are amount we use.

Examples would work well here. Especially for those of us who have to drive several miles to our workplaces in high traffic conditions. Moving closer is also not always an option as not all of us can afford to move or don't want to move for other reasons(own a house).

Europe average MPG is 35ish, japan is 50 MPGish, While USA takes the cake with an average vehicle getting 10-25 mpg. You're also comparing places that are small land masses compared to the large expanse that this country is...

Please show some facts on this, I'd like to see this data. also I'd like to see what type of fuel the vehicles use. is it standard petrol or diesel?

Our consumption increases every year and supply goes down every year. (simple basics of supply and demand) Most of these oil refineries are already at maxed production, are old and need repair. Its not like we can build more of them right now over night. Thpugh it still wont solve the problem.

Our fuel consumptions increase but we have also had improvements on fuel consumption. There are several problems though like some older cars that don't have the greatest fuel economy by design(how is your awd car on fuel economy?). Not having good public transportation in some major cities also is an issue.
It is correct that supply and demand has a lot to do with it, especially when other countries(China, india) are now needing more and more fuel to power their growing cities. But there are some other causes for the increases, one which has been a huge issue has been our hands in the conflicts in the middle east. This along with the war mongering that our fine president seems fit to do has caused fears in the market and prices spikes due to speculation.

As for the refineries....well Katrina didn't help....or oil refineries being shut down in between the 70s-90s

In the past 70's, 80's, 90's and now we still have not learned to get more efficient vehicles.

What would you expect with a resource that is cheap..fuel, food, whatever it is, we tend to max it to the limit because we don't care(or the obvious lack of forsight).

Every time we see a relief we go out and buy the biggest vehicle that can suck down as much gas as possible, while not even buying to fit your needs. Nope ya gota go out and get the biggest pos, or ya gotta have to buy a 7+ seater suv/truck that gets 10 mpg.

Everytime the market sees an opportunity, it tries to sell to the people it knows will buy it's products and services. This goes for everything not just fuel....
Next time you watch TV, pay attention those commercials and really understand what they are saying. look at all of the peolpe in those commercials, whether it be BLING soft drink, or dish soap or that new 300hp car that you must have because you deserve to live the life of luxury....
It's not just about having the biggest car or truck, it's about what you deserve...

True or not drilling in Alaska or Putting more oil rigs off shore may or may not help but its not a solution. Its simply a band aid for the problem.

Just like ethonal is just a bandaid....
lets see how that will help when the crops are being decimated by flooding or some other calamity....oh wait...

Now sure some if not all of use need to get the vehicle to work and etc, but there is no need for cars today to get an average of 30. We did that crap back in the 80's and early 90's getting 25-35 mpg.

..and due to the fact that the combustion engine hasn't changed much in what 80 years....yeah...there will be problems with efficiencies....if engines where like computer processors, we'd be in some pretty sweet cars right now....

I do think how ever it is not a good thing for gas to be where its at but hen again we still have not learned.

huh?

Mean while: You roll on your big suv, truck, car etc, to drive 20-50-100 200+ miles to work, with only you in the car.

So do you think this is the only way that we are inefficient?
When was the last time you washed your car? Do you bring reusable bags to the store for your groceries?
do you walk to the store if it's close enough? What is your ecological footprint on this planet.....

also like the kbb or nada book value drop on these gas guzzler.

Now this was funny, the other day I saw a news report on how dealers are not taking suv's as trade-ins....suckers

LMK what you think...

Good effort, bad presentation. The image didn't sell me either....you might as well put a dsm in there with a 2.4 stroker, 1600+ injectors and a turbo that would scare most of the people on this board....

 

[droppinbottom]

^^ I'm with ya on that post.