good kit for stock block?

[Carter_95RS]

Okay, here lately i've been thinking of turboing the 420a to get a little more power out of it, and have found that roughly 8-10 psi is max for the stock bottom end. i found a kit ( looks like an ebay kit to me ) but i figured i would get this for the majority of it, then sell the turbo for something that would spool faster like a stock gst t-25 or maybe something slightly larger unless this one would spool fast enough to be worth anything to me. I still have some research to do, (mainly fuel system) but i would like your guy's input if you think this would be a good option for a dd 420a

TURBO KIT 95 96 97 98 99 ECLIPSE TALON DODGE NEON 420A FastWayRacer.Com

 

[Kyle97-clipse]

Hmm yeah it looks like a cheap ebay kit to me too. Your going have to get some fuel system parts to go along with this kit. Also I wouldn't plan on using that cheap turbo in the kit for very long. Other then that I mean it doesn't look like to bad of a kit. You also said this is your dd car, once your turbo the reliablity is going to go way down just to let you know.

 

[tec_41]

Yeah that's a cheap-o kit...but there are some good usable parts in it- Intercooler/piping, manifold, probably the oil line kit. But don't plan on switching to a mitsu turbo very easily...There aren't any adapters that go from t3 to t25 (at least that I know of)

 

[bagged420a]

You also said this is your dd car, once your turbo the reliablity is going to go way down just to let you know.

Ummm no...Do it right and it will last. Instead of gettting that kit for 700+ and only using a few parts, you should look into peicing one together.

 

[tec_41]

Instead of gettting that kit for 700+ and only using a few parts, you should look into peicing one together.

Worrrrrd. Once you get all the bugs worked out of a homemade turbo kit the car is still pretty reliable. I've had my fair share of issues, but nothing major- all turbo kit related. I still wouldn't trust it to be my only car when I have to get to work 5 days a week, but it'll get there eventually!

 

[Carter_95RS]

My eclipse isn't my only car, it's my "toy". i've got 4 options as far as driving. My eclipse, a pos firebird, and two muscle cars. the only reason that i thought of doing this is because i'm pretty new to turbo systems and this is a kit thats already put together. I really dont know how to go about piecing one together, this is why i thought this route might be decent. i'lll probably end up getting the intercooler kit, its decently priced and everyone seem's to approve.
if i piece one together should i go for this?

1. 
   godspeed manifold?
   good turbo
   crushed 1g bov
   custom downtube
   ext. 38mm wg
   that intercooler kit
   12:1 fmu
   wally 255
   450 injectors
   mbc and a gauge

am i missing anything?

 

[JEFFREYCASTGSX]

Don't forget a map clamp(also known as a fuel cut defender), electrical or mechanical.

 

[Carter_95RS]

is electronic better than mechanical?
i've heard of it is...but dont know the difference really.

 

[JEFFREYCASTGSX]

The mechanical one physically blocks boost to the sensor.
The electrical one just limits the voltage sent out from the map so that even though sensors sees boost, the signal sent out tells the ecu there isn't boost.

Neitheris better they bothdo the same thing equally.

 

[Carter_95RS]

hmm.. alright. Thanks for the clarification.
so with the list that i have made and the FCD, does that sound like a good setup?

 

[Ethand14]

When i had my 420a, I always leaned toward the treadstone kit. Its 2000 and includes everything but fuel componets.

 

[tegster1]

You wont need the injectors with a 12:1 FMU. Stock injectors will work just fine with the 12:1. Also the fcd will be needed. Most people go with the electronic one. The mechanical will need to be cleaned from time to time although I dont have experience with those as I dont own one. Make sure to also get the 255HP (high pressure) as it is the same price as the regular one. I built my kit for around $1000. Most of the parts were used but name brand so just look around if you want to keep it as cheap as possible.

 

[LD25Delta9]

Ba Humbug to all the ebay haters. I've been running an ebay turbo strong for 10k miles at 8lbs boost. Just make sure you prime it and you'll be fine. I wouldn't suggest an ebay turbo for big boost applications but for a small turbo build it'll be fine.
My suggestion is to get the ebay turbo kit, get a walbro 255 HP, a 12:1 FMU, and an electronic FCD. The missing link is okay, but as Tegster1 stated, it tends to clog (i've got one) and when it does, it'll shoot out and your car will die at idle. Start it off slow at 5lbs to "break-in" the turbo. Good luck!

 

[Carter_95RS]

yeah, i dont plan on building the motor, i mean i have the resources to do so...but dont see the point if i can only drive the speed limit. I think i'll risk it with the ebay kit. worse comes to worse i'll have to get some new parts down the road. tuning is a learning experience at one point, and this is my point.

 

[tegster1]

Just so you know there probably wont be any "tuning" with the set-up you will most likely run and the boost level you will be at as there will be nothing to "tune." This of course makes it simple and has been proven again and again to be reliable

 

[tec_41]

Heads up- You don't need a fuel cut defender on a 95...

 

[bagged420a]

Heads up- You don't need a fuel cut defender on a 95...

Worrd. ha i'm glad somebody cought this. You could use stock injectors and get a VROG that hahn sells to run 8 psi. No tune necessary with it, set the fuel pressure and your good to go.

List:
godspeed manifold?
good turbo
crushed 1g bov
custom downtube
ext. 38mm wg
that intercooler kit
12:1 fmu
wally 255
450 injectors
mbc and a gauge
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am i missing anything?

I would suggest an internall wastegated turbo for such low boost. And you'll need oil lines and oil drain lines as well. I would run the stock injectors if your only wanting 8 psi. As far as a minifold I would suggest a cast log style so you won't ever worry about it cracking or anything, just make sure your mani and turbo have the same flange.

 

[Carter_95RS]

the turbo kit comes with the oil lines for the turbo, dont know if you checked it out or not...whats the VROG?
and the reason i had thought of the external WG, it comes in the kit like that.

 

[bagged420a]

the turbo kit comes with the oil lines for the turbo, dont know if you checked it out or not...whats the VROG?
and the reason i had thought of the external WG, it comes in the kit like that.

I was talking about if you peiced together a kit. And the VROG is just the fuel regulator supplied with the hahn systems.

 

[Carter_95RS]

okay so let me get this straight. If i were to buy that kit, this is what i would need.

1. ebay kit
   walbro 255hp
   12:1 FMU

is that right since i'm a 95 and dont need the FCD?

 

[LD25Delta9]

Correct. You will also need at least an exhaust outlet flange with 2, 90* mandrel bends, a weld-in o2 bung (heh heh) and a 2' ft section of exhaust pipe with a proper 2 bolt flange to bolt onto your cat. All of your pipe OD should be at least 2.5" or you can go to treadstone and get their DP and dump tube kit that comes with all the pieces to weld together. The main reason no one sells a pre-fabbed DP is because with the 420a, a lot of guys do different setups that clock the turbo exhaust outlet differently, and each manifold puts the turbo in a different horizontal position, as well. Because of this, no one sells the "definitive" Down Pipe.

 

[tec_41]

Yeah downpipes are a pain...that's the one thing I had to go to the shop for. To build off of Delta's post, here are a few links. Flanges are cheap-

T3/T4 TURBO EXHAUST DOWNPIPE FLANGE+GASKET+5 BOLTS BOLT : eBay Motors (item 120452948577 end time Feb-22-10 14:32:00 PST)

So unless you know someone who can weld, just buy one of those and take it to a shop. They can bend up some pipes to make it work...and don't forget the o2 sensor bung-

O2 Sensor Nut Bung 02 M18 x 1.5 THREAD 45 DEGREE : eBay Motors (item 270503566156 end time Feb-16-10 15:26:13 PST)

And if you want to get fancy , a wastegate flange to make a dump tube-

35mm 38mm Wastegate FLANGE Stainless Steel Dump pipe : eBay Motors (item 350313329104 end time Feb-11-10 13:06:07 PST)

 

[Carter_95RS]

okay, thisis where i might need a little help.
i know i need a new exhaust, i'lll get a cheap ebay one but should i go ahead and get a NA exhaust or a turbo exhaust?

 

[Assmatic]

Either one works, as long as it isn't a GSX exhaust. You'll want to get 3" though for going turbo.

 

[Carter_95RS]

the n/t is a 2.5" and the turbo is a gst 3".
they're both on ebay, i just didnt get one because i knew if i were going turbo, like i am now, i would probably need a larger exhaust so it will flow better.