Full Engine Rebuild

[badbluething]

After having gone through the paces with my DSM, It no doubt has been a struggle but I have no plan on letting next to nothing stop me from one day having built a monster DD. Together with my garage we have drawn up a full engine rebuild which will set the base for one day creating a very reliable and fast car. The garage has thrown together a rough quote for me and I thought I'd post it here and get some responses from the DSM community. The listed prices for parts is as available to my shop. It is understood between myself and the garage that any part I can find for a better price I will purchase instead of having my shop do it. So yeah just throw all your thoughts, ideas and suggestions at me. One quote is for a standard rebuild of the 2.0L the other a stroker build.

 

[badbluething]

^^.... wow simply disgusting is what I think from reading all those reviews.

 

[nitroazz]

Get a crate engine and tow your car and all your parts to edmonton. I'll have you up and running in a weekend. That $17k, quote is crap.

Buy a built motor from tuners and have them ship it. It isn't that hard to do an engine swap. I do them every day at work.

Also, your parts. Some of them are highly inflated prices. I got my whole fuel system for under $800 usd shipped to my door.
1050cc fic injectors, lines, afpr, filter and pump. The only thing stock left is my rail.
Shop around. Punishment sold me a rad, shroud, fans and mishimoto hoses for about $350 usd, iirc.

 

[Aproductions]

Like the others stated, you need trans and suspension upgrades as well as fuel and tuning to make the most of your build. Also, I would smack those guys in the face...look at the gates belt price. Also get the regular 7es plugs from NGK.

 

[J'sDSM]

what's with the name? Monkey Nutz? owww, talk about poor marketing. I am getting a crate motor soon and was thinking about going with dsmgraveyard.com but the reviews, putting it nicely, were not so good. Jack's Transmissions had good reviews and were very reasonably priced and I am currently in the process of getting my motor through them. Here is a link

Jacks Transmissions LLC — DSM Selection

Also is there a reason why monkeynutz is charging for three oil changes?

 

[beendenied]

what's with the name? Monkey Nutz? owww, talk about poor marketing. I am getting a crate motor soon and was thinking about going with dsmgraveyard.com but the reviews, putting it nicely, were not so good. Jack's Transmissions had good reviews and were very reasonably priced and I am currently in the process of getting my motor through them. Here is a link

Jacks Transmissions LLC — DSM Selection

Also is there a reason why monkeynutz is charging for three oil changes?

Probably for the initial start/break-in

 

[RoryBarron]

They are raping you with prices, an hour and a half to install a fuel pump? 1.5 hrs labor for installing a wideband? 160 dollars in oil changes? 2.5 hours to install a radiator and fans? It takes about 30 min each of these three and that is taking your time. 28 hours of labor on top of the labor for everything else? 160 to socket the ecu? Well it's your money but I would tell them you'll drive it or tow it to the US to have the work done. 17K and that doesn't include dsmlink or a turbo on that shopping list. A few other things on that build either such as injectors, an intake, etc are missing as well for the price you are dropping on it. If you are going to spend that much on the motor why cheap out on the transmission? Send that off one of the vendors here as well!

 

[eeeric16]

$300 bucks for ARP head studs? Geez, i recommend buying the parts yourself.

$83 dollars for 6 bolt at extremepsi http://www.extremepsi.com/store/product.php?productid=17033&cat=555&page=1
$99 for 7 bolt http://www.extremepsi.com/store/product.php?productid=17034&cat=555&page=1
free shipping too!
you will find better customer service and prices through vendors on this site then it appears you are getting from your local shop.

 

[92AWDHX40]

Yes vendors are where i shop for just about all my parts, 300 for arps ouch.

 

[95AWD6Bolt]

IMO, you should just go buy a new car with 17k. Not worth it to put into this car.

 

[Boostinsideways]

A lot of their prices are stupid.

17.99 for anti freeze? Try 11.99
Labor - R and R, Overhaul. 1988... Try 988.... I could have my local shop do "the works" package for a grand... Which is everything short of putting the manifolds on and dropping it back in the car.
Gasket Set? 380? Blowing Smoke up your ass? Priceless.
The ACL mains/rods are twice what they should charge
ARP heatstuds are twice what they should charge
Gates T-Belt is at least a 20% markup.
Iridium plugs? These guys are ####ing morons, don't let them touch your rebuild.
160$ To socket ecu? ECM Tuning will do that for 35$ and ship it back to you.

That price is really at least twice, if not 2.5 more than you should pay, even if you tons of cash to blow, you could build 2 dsms into the 10s for the price you have on the newest invoice.

$83 dollars for 6 bolt at extremepsi EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts
$99 for 7 bolt EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts
free shipping too!

They have that stupid handling charge. Its not exactly free. I would rather pay cheap shipping on stuff that weighs under 1lb than their handling fee.

 

[badbluething]

As I have said a many a time the list prices for parts are not the prices I will be purchasing them at, I am going through dsm vendors to attain the parts I need. The listed parts prices are what my shop can get them at, they in no way are trying to make money off parts for me. They are completely fine with me providing the parts nescessary and encourage it. As for the labour I will discuss the final costs with them. Yes I guess I will definately look into putting work into the transmission. I was hoping welding the center diff would suffice? Any other parts you guys see missing other than the injectors. And yes it has already been said that I will be sending my ECU in.

 

[bryanwheat]

Just the fact that they are wanting to put irridium plugs in it shows that this shop knows nothing about dsm's, i would seriously go elsewhere.

 

[jrohner]

Pretty much every price is way too high. These engines are not that expensive to work on.

Exaples: 1. Save a couple hundred on the gasket set. 2. You can probably find a piston/rod combo for 750 or less.

 

[92AWDHX40]

Yes a package from a vendor with pistons and rods extreme psi has one im looking at now, but any vendor can make you a package on that end.

 

[rommel rojasgsx]

220 for a gates t belt and synthetic on new motor? And dont u usually get free gates radiator hoses when buying a mishimoto radiator? I be looking at an another shop

 

[badbluething]

.....sigh it's getting a little frustrating returning to this thread only to seem more people commenting on the prices of the parts in the images of the quotes I received. Hopefully this is the last time I will have to say this. I am NOT purchasing the parts at the prices listed! I will be purchasing the parts through vendors supporting DSMtuners at hopefully and most probably significantly lower prices. My posting of these parts list was to receive feedback on parts I'm missing and such. I understand that the labor prices are also high. These prices are not set in stone and this garage will not be doing all the work. My uncle and I will be installing the majority of the "bolt-on" items. I simply requested this shop to draw up a list of parts I require to essentially do a full rebuild. My goal is simply to replace everything on the car that could go wrong and in the end also end up with a beefy ride. They will not be doing ALL of the work if not any. This is just a parts list and the prices THEY are able to attain the parts for. As well as what they would charge for installs on said parts.

 

[evileagleawd]

Give me 11k ill do it for ya! You can get all those parts for cheaper sourcing them your self! Probably get a hell of a deal if you bought them from one supporting vendor like MAP or Extreme PSI!

 

[E-Rock 87]

If you are hands on at all. I would pull the motor your self and take it to a machine shop. They specialize in engines for a reason and they garranty there work. plus you will save on labor and parts because a machine shop that is any good will get deals on parts(they ussualy have an account with the vendors) and sell them at normal or below normal price. They make money on labor and happy repeat customers.

 

[Boostinsideways]

The labor prices are simple way to high man. They are trying to rip you off. The fact that iridium plugs are on that list is a 100% indicator they know next to jack shit about the 4g63 platform. You can run our stock ignition with copper core plugs over 400 whp. Even then, the better route is to go COP with an aftermarket ignition box, and still run copper core plugs. Those iridium core plugs are just not meant for our engines period.

Find a 4g63 performance shop, or at least a Turbo Import Performance shop. The book hours on some of that stuff is pretty high. Fuel pump? 30 minute job, Radiator install? 10 minutes. I mean, cmon some of this stuff is just ridiculous.

 

[Rs AWD]

he is in canada so those prices need to be cut a lot for it to convert into us dollars. thats why his bill looks crazy

 

[carnalforce]

Except, as of today, they are worth almost exactly the same.

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[1gTSIeagle]

for 11k that car better run 9s,drive like stock,and come with a different girl for each day..

 

[eeeric16]

he is in canada so those prices need to be cut a lot for it to convert into us dollars. thats why his bill looks crazy

US dollar is the same as ours..

 

[E-Rock 87]

Things are more expensive in canada

 

[Iyaoyas]

IMO you can get a built Engine for ALOT cheaper. Places like Porters performance you can get a built short or long block for alot cheaper. Another thing i saw was dont use synthetic oil on first start up or break in, you want to use a oil that is high in zinc. Lucas sells a zinc additive, or even use Rotella 15w-40 Diesel oil, i use that in all of my engine (they are chevy 350's naturally aspirated). These are just my thoughts and good luck on your car